But you call us stupid if we believe in what you call "conspiracy theories", not much different.....

and as for why I mentioned the Native Americans, it's because it's a fact, this country STOLE the land from them. We are ignorant of our nations very own history.

Funny you mention the Native Americans.....who took their land? WE DID!

Also.....you are being a hypocrite, because you and your type embody the very first line you claim those speaking against you do. We can't disagree with you, without you putting us down for doing so. So yeah, may wanna look at yourself first before you start throwing stones at us.

Just proved her point chaz.

Moved to Mexico Jeannie.

Just hope and pray nothing happens......if all goes off without a hitch than great, but if NOT.....well don't say you weren't warned.

I've had a feeling about London for a while......hope to god nothing happens but wouldn't surprise me. This just validates the idea all the more, they did the same type of thing before 9-11 happened, it is a tell for those paying attention to see it. I really hope nothing happens though, but....I have a bad feeling.

On an unrelated note see them mention the droughts and famine here too? Kinda fits along with what has been going on across the country this summer...........

Isn't everyone required to have a chip implanted somewhere in this too? Thought there was.....

Also heard there's a part in there about housing sales too, that is whatever price you sell for, the government takes a percentage of it off the top. WHY IS THIS IN A HEALTHCARE BILL??

My point was though these are UNIVERSAL laws, you don't need a book or religion to tell you they're bad or harmful. It's a common sense thing. Whether people apply it is another matter, but it's clear to all it is bad, and it WILL catch up with you if you do it long enough.

Have you ever stopped to consider that maybe just MAYBE the world isn't so black and white as you think it to be and rather things are more gray? No of course not, because your book says it is so, so it MUST be true. Think outside of it for one second, you might actually learn something.

And what exactly is so bad about doing something that gives fulfillment to you? If it's not harming anyone else and it's making you happy how is that wrong? Hint, it's not.

Any good parent would want their children to be happy and be doing something that gives their lives meaning. Thus, God would be the same. It would make NO sense for God to act in a way that we wouldn't.

I've said it before and I will say it again, if you need a threat of hellfire to tell you it's wrong to steal, it's wrong to murder, it's wrong to cheat on a spouse etc, then you need more help than that damn religion is gonna ever give you. EVERYONE knows these things are wrong, you don't need some book or empty threat to tell you that.

Important part there is SERVE THE PEOPLE. If WE have to do what they tell us, how exactly are WE being served as opposed to us serving them??? It doesn't work.

I understand what you're saying, and that there is people that will lie or twist things to suit their interests on the net, but what bothers me is people go to such extremes on this. The idea that because someone in the public eye has told you something they are more likely to be right, and because someone isn't they are more likely to be wrong, is exactly why we are in the mess we are in today.

We need to stop judging information based on source, and instead on the merit of the ideas presented. Then you will get a better idea of what the truth is, source and fact don't always go together.

Wrestling/fighting/martial arts......always been curious about it since I was a kid, and have been fascinated with it. Fought against it for a while, but have accepted it more now and really wanna get more involved in it and see what it's all like.

Feel it'd make me stronger physically too.....which is another reason why I'd wanna try it, try and learn to defend myself having never had a physical confrontation in my life. Hoping to have my first experience with it before the summer is out.....would have had one already but woman had to postpone on me. Soon though.....

I hate to break it to you, but you're more likely to get the truth on the internet then you will get from ANY mainstream source. They ALL lie, every last one. Why do you think they keep pushing to try and change how the internet is run for? They know the power of it! They know it has the ability to expose them for the frauds they are, and they can't have that happen.

You have NO IDEA what freedom means Pacific. None whatsoever. You said it all in your very first sentence:

"It is not about not conforming. You can be as non-conformist as you want to be as long as you do not commit a crime."

The two ideas contradict. You can't be free to make a choice, and yet at the same be subject to laws that subjugate the choices you can make. You just can't. And I'm not talking about things like don't kill another person, don't steal from them or destroy their property. Those are common sense, universal laws that every one of us should know enough to know that we shouldn't be doing.

I'm talking about laws that dictate to us what we can and cannot do with or to OURSELVES. Like telling us we can't take certain drugs, buy raw dairy, or like you say above refuse the draft, among many others on the books or being added to them. What if I WANT to smoke a joint, what if I WANT to drink raw milk, what if I DISAGREE with the war and want no part in it? Well according to you, what I believe means nothing because I don't have the right to make those choices for myself.

That is not freedom. When I cannot make a decision for myself personally, depending on what direction I wish to take my life, because of what someone else thinks is best for me, or because of what someone else thinks I have an obligation to be doing, then I am not free to be who I want to be at all.

True freedom, true choice, means being able to make of your life anything you want to make of it, be it good or bad, having the ability to choose those things for yourself independent of what anyone else thinks. If you do not have that, if someone can prevent you from doing something strictly based on their own dogma, their own set of rules, then you are not free. And we in this country are not.

We very much DO have to conform to someone else's ideas of what is or is not proper behavior, because if we DON'T conform to that, we get punished, we get fined, arrested, and thrown into jail. What we have been conditioned to believe freedom is, really amounts to....you are free to obey the law, or better stated...you are free to be a slave. It's not true freedom, it's not real. It's conditional, based on the laws at a given time. Real freedom isn't, it doesn't change depending on the time, and can't be granted sometimes but not granted at others.

Simply put, freedom isn't freedom if it can be taken away from you, if it can be arbitrary. You either have it completely, or you don't have it at all.

First of all, you seriously need a reeducation on what a choice is. Where there is a threat of punishment for not doing one thing over another a true choice does not exist. That should be common sense. A choice means you can either do a or b, depending on which direction you want to take. It can't be a true one if your decision is skewed into one direction. It's really not that hard a concept.

But I suppose I shouldn't be surprised you believe this not to be the case given your other beliefs on choices should I? It's not your forte to actually think......

Secondly, it's called personal responsibility, instead of forcing people to pay insurance they may or may not need, how about EDUCATING them to be ready for the unexpected on their own? No that'd make too much sense wouldn't it?

What is it you don't understand about your beliefs being YOURS? Forcing them to be subjected to what YOU believe in such a way IS pushy. If they choose to go to church on their own fine, but it is not your place to make the choice for them. Sorry it's just not.

Enslaving us by FORCING us to buy what we maybe don't want or need, IS a pressing issue! Wake up.

Not that it matters anyway, republican or democrat both work for the same team in the end. Hint hint, it's not for us.

Problem is you can't prove the cliff is real, you only ASSUME it. But if you wanna risk pushing people from you because of your own personal dogma.......I suppose so be it.

Not a damn bit surprised, what the elite wants, the elite gets, always.