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Topic: Barry. Historical First Acts. How will history be written?
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Fri 06/29/12 06:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfAfOk3TNVw&feature=player_embedded#!

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 09:11 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/29/12 09:12 AM
amazing how many adults actually use YOUTUBE as a credible source of information



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Fri 06/29/12 09:12 AM
Edited by alleoops on Fri 06/29/12 09:13 AM

amazing how many adults actually use YOUTUBE as a credible source of information




What should they use? MSN?laugh

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 10:03 AM


amazing how many adults actually use YOUTUBE as a credible source of information




What should they use? MSN?laugh


at least those people have some education and some 'credentials' and something to lose

any yahoo can anonymously post lies to youtube, edit videos,, etc,,,with little fear of losing their livelihood or being sued,,,,BECAUSE ITS YOUTUBE,,,

willing2's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:39 AM
I'd like to know what lies were posted on the video, please.

metalwing's photo
Fri 06/29/12 12:04 PM
Most of the "First President ..." remarks made are true, as I was aware of them as they occurred.

I am also aware of many youtube posts by MH to provide "facts".

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 01:16 PM
really? someone should go on and hire me as a parelegal with all the research I continue to do for others


1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned_2.htm

...it starts off LYING,,,

most of the list is baseless accusations and subjective opinions,,nothing that would be a documented legitimate HISTORICAL first ,,,,



msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 01:17 PM

Most of the "First President ..." remarks made are true, as I was aware of them as they occurred.

I am also aware of many youtube posts by MH to provide "facts".


wrong, I rarely use youtube and if I did , it would only be to share an OPINION someone else had or share a 'QUOTE' someone else spoke

you have NEVER seen me refer to youtube as a source of FACTS,,,,

metalwing's photo
Fri 06/29/12 09:07 PM


Most of the "First President ..." remarks made are true, as I was aware of them as they occurred.

I am also aware of many youtube posts by MH to provide "facts".


wrong, I rarely use youtube and if I did , it would only be to share an OPINION someone else had or share a 'QUOTE' someone else spoke

you have NEVER seen me refer to youtube as a source of FACTS,,,,


Actually, you are doing it now. You are referring to a youtube video and stating as a "fact" that the statements are not true (many of which I know to be true) with nothing to back up your statement. You defend Obama 100% of the time even when you have no factual basis to do so.

That is the truth.

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Fri 06/29/12 09:19 PM

really? someone should go on and hire me as a parelegal with all the research I continue to do for others
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned_2.htm

...it starts off LYING,,,
most of the list is baseless accusations and subjective opinions,,nothing that would be a documented legitimate HISTORICAL first ,,,,

i don't believe you finished reading the sentence.
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student , then deny he was a foreigner

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:52 PM



Most of the "First President ..." remarks made are true, as I was aware of them as they occurred.

I am also aware of many youtube posts by MH to provide "facts".


wrong, I rarely use youtube and if I did , it would only be to share an OPINION someone else had or share a 'QUOTE' someone else spoke

you have NEVER seen me refer to youtube as a source of FACTS,,,,


Actually, you are doing it now. You are referring to a youtube video and stating as a "fact" that the statements are not true (many of which I know to be true) with nothing to back up your statement. You defend Obama 100% of the time even when you have no factual basis to do so.

That is the truth.


wrong, the reference was not mine, the reference is the TOPIC of the discussion

I actually pointed out sources that refuted the VERY FIRST statement

I havent stated any other 'facts' and have not accepted some anonymous youtube posters opinions (that by the way have NO attempt at back up sources provided) as 'facts' either

I defend OBama when others constantly try to spread and repeat unsubstantiated allegations and outright lies about him,,and I Will continue to

if they have the right to repeat lies in the forum, I have the right to continue pointing them out,,,

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:53 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/29/12 11:54 PM


really? someone should go on and hire me as a parelegal with all the research I continue to do for others
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned_2.htm

...it starts off LYING,,,
most of the list is baseless accusations and subjective opinions,,nothing that would be a documented legitimate HISTORICAL first ,,,,

i don't believe you finished reading the sentence.
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student , then deny he was a foreigner



lol, the statement is not true as it links two things together in a timeline, and the FIRST didnt happen,,,

its like saying, Bush was the first president to pass out drunk in front of the queen, and then claim he no longer drinks,,,,

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Sat 06/30/12 12:38 AM



really? someone should go on and hire me as a parelegal with all the research I continue to do for others
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned_2.htm

...it starts off LYING,,,
most of the list is baseless accusations and subjective opinions,,nothing that would be a documented legitimate HISTORICAL first ,,,,

i don't believe you finished reading the sentence.
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student , then deny he was a foreigner



lol, the statement is not true as it links two things together in a timeline, and the FIRST didnt happen,,,

its like saying, Bush was the first president to pass out drunk in front of the queen, and then claim he no longer drinks,,,,

the thing is, as soon as you read the first thing about obama that you feel is wrong, you shut out everything else and try to bash bush as a smoke screen. you wouldn't make it as a paralegal
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-report-card.htm

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 12:44 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/30/12 12:46 AM




really? someone should go on and hire me as a parelegal with all the research I continue to do for others
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_citizenship_questioned_2.htm

...it starts off LYING,,,
most of the list is baseless accusations and subjective opinions,,nothing that would be a documented legitimate HISTORICAL first ,,,,

i don't believe you finished reading the sentence.
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student , then deny he was a foreigner



lol, the statement is not true as it links two things together in a timeline, and the FIRST didnt happen,,,

its like saying, Bush was the first president to pass out drunk in front of the queen, and then claim he no longer drinks,,,,

the thing is, as soon as you read the first thing about obama that you feel is wrong, you shut out everything else and try to bash bush as a smoke screen. you wouldn't make it as a paralegal
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/o/obama-report-card.htm



no, not quite

the list posted had NO sources to verify any of the claims,, and its on youtbue which is very EASY for even a teenager to post at no cost,,,,so its suspect as a 'credible' source,, which was my point


reading through, most of the statements were actually of the nature of an 'opinion' as opposed to a verified fact,,,


I wouldnt be surprised if in that list of dozens of statements , one or two are accurate,, even a broken clock is right twice a day

and I realize Obama has made mistakes, which I would gladly discuss instead of wasting the time to rebuke the same old tired RUMORS of what he has or hasnt done,,,


the truth or fiction site, backs up the statements with explanations AND sources,,,I would find it more 'credible'

Kleisto's photo
Sat 06/30/12 12:54 AM

amazing how many adults actually use YOUTUBE as a credible source of information





I hate to break it to you, but you're more likely to get the truth on the internet then you will get from ANY mainstream source. They ALL lie, every last one. Why do you think they keep pushing to try and change how the internet is run for? They know the power of it! They know it has the ability to expose them for the frauds they are, and they can't have that happen.

no photo
Sat 06/30/12 12:54 AM
that is my point. you dismiss the entire list because of what you read in the first half sentence

1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student
...it starts off LYING,,,
most of the list is baseless accusations and subjective opinions,,nothing that would be a documented legitimate HISTORICAL first ,,,,

the actual sentence
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner

I wouldnt be surprised if in that list of dozens of statements , one or two are accurate,, even a broken clock is right twice a day

then you back pedal when you are shown that several of the statements could be true

you don't like people talking smack about obama, but you bash bush just as easily as those that bash obama

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 10:43 AM


amazing how many adults actually use YOUTUBE as a credible source of information





I hate to break it to you, but you're more likely to get the truth on the internet then you will get from ANY mainstream source. They ALL lie, every last one. Why do you think they keep pushing to try and change how the internet is run for? They know the power of it! They know it has the ability to expose them for the frauds they are, and they can't have that happen.


my statement is not about the broad 'internet',

its about the specific site 'youtube', my son recently posted a homemade video of a dance to an artist and labeled it as the 'official video'

individuals can post whatever they want with little to no risk

NOT newscasters with careers and reputations on the line, NOT writers with easily identifiable names and jobs on the line as well as the risk of momentous lawsuits

just YAHOOS with opinions and a program on the computer that can create a video,,,

its not a CREDIBLE source for facts except for hearing what people have said, and even THAT is often edited by the YOUTUBE poster with little to no risk (unlike in a more credible source trying to maintain its credibility)


analogy: If I said I bought a hostess bar from the grocery store....and someone said that wasnt the healthiest thing for me to buy


would they be condemning the WHOLE Grocery store...or just the Hostess bar?

would they be implying that there were no healthy choices at the grocery store?



you have to search for credible sources on the internet, just like you have to search in a grocery store for healthy food choices

often times, when it comes to the internet, people want to lump all the food together with the same description,,,but thats not true

yes, you will find errors and omissions at every source (internet or media) because people cannot cover everything at all times and they have to be mindful of their audience so they can have sponsors and continue getting paid

BUT,,there are far more sources who outright LIE and too many people who read opinions as facts,,,than there are people actually trying to give ACCURATE and TRUE information,,,especially on the internet

msharmony's photo
Sat 06/30/12 10:46 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/30/12 10:50 AM

that is my point. you dismiss the entire list because of what you read in the first half sentence

1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student
...it starts off LYING,,,
most of the list is baseless accusations and subjective opinions,,nothing that would be a documented legitimate HISTORICAL first ,,,,

the actual sentence
1.first president to apply for college aid as a foreign student, then deny he was a foreigner

I wouldnt be surprised if in that list of dozens of statements , one or two are accurate,, even a broken clock is right twice a day

then you back pedal when you are shown that several of the statements could be true

you don't like people talking smack about obama, but you bash bush just as easily as those that bash obama



no ese

I am a LOGICAL Person, LOGIC

when I am given a list of fifty statements, I am not about to go through and disect and research them all just for the sake of arguing with people who believe them to be true,,,

I did not have to get far to expose a LIE, which was what the request before my post asked for,, to find lies

at that point I read through the list and decided that MOST of the things posted were either factually untrue, or not facts at all but OPINIONS


and I Decided I wasnt going to go through and repost them all just to ARGUE with anti obama rhetoric

explain to me what politician I have 'bashed' or lied about?


sidenote: I actually gave YOUR reference credit for being a more reliable CREDIBLE source,, and it had trua and fals statements about OBama

I have no issue when something is TRUE,,,my issue is with lies being repeated ,, because in our culture, the more often people see them in print, the more likely they are to believe them as fact

Kleisto's photo
Tue 07/03/12 10:52 AM



amazing how many adults actually use YOUTUBE as a credible source of information





I hate to break it to you, but you're more likely to get the truth on the internet then you will get from ANY mainstream source. They ALL lie, every last one. Why do you think they keep pushing to try and change how the internet is run for? They know the power of it! They know it has the ability to expose them for the frauds they are, and they can't have that happen.


my statement is not about the broad 'internet',

its about the specific site 'youtube', my son recently posted a homemade video of a dance to an artist and labeled it as the 'official video'

individuals can post whatever they want with little to no risk

NOT newscasters with careers and reputations on the line, NOT writers with easily identifiable names and jobs on the line as well as the risk of momentous lawsuits

just YAHOOS with opinions and a program on the computer that can create a video,,,

its not a CREDIBLE source for facts except for hearing what people have said, and even THAT is often edited by the YOUTUBE poster with little to no risk (unlike in a more credible source trying to maintain its credibility)


analogy: If I said I bought a hostess bar from the grocery store....and someone said that wasnt the healthiest thing for me to buy


would they be condemning the WHOLE Grocery store...or just the Hostess bar?

would they be implying that there were no healthy choices at the grocery store?



you have to search for credible sources on the internet, just like you have to search in a grocery store for healthy food choices

often times, when it comes to the internet, people want to lump all the food together with the same description,,,but thats not true

yes, you will find errors and omissions at every source (internet or media) because people cannot cover everything at all times and they have to be mindful of their audience so they can have sponsors and continue getting paid

BUT,,there are far more sources who outright LIE and too many people who read opinions as facts,,,than there are people actually trying to give ACCURATE and TRUE information,,,especially on the internet


I understand what you're saying, and that there is people that will lie or twist things to suit their interests on the net, but what bothers me is people go to such extremes on this. The idea that because someone in the public eye has told you something they are more likely to be right, and because someone isn't they are more likely to be wrong, is exactly why we are in the mess we are in today.

We need to stop judging information based on source, and instead on the merit of the ideas presented. Then you will get a better idea of what the truth is, source and fact don't always go together.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/03/12 10:59 AM




amazing how many adults actually use YOUTUBE as a credible source of information





I hate to break it to you, but you're more likely to get the truth on the internet then you will get from ANY mainstream source. They ALL lie, every last one. Why do you think they keep pushing to try and change how the internet is run for? They know the power of it! They know it has the ability to expose them for the frauds they are, and they can't have that happen.


my statement is not about the broad 'internet',

its about the specific site 'youtube', my son recently posted a homemade video of a dance to an artist and labeled it as the 'official video'

individuals can post whatever they want with little to no risk

NOT newscasters with careers and reputations on the line, NOT writers with easily identifiable names and jobs on the line as well as the risk of momentous lawsuits

just YAHOOS with opinions and a program on the computer that can create a video,,,

its not a CREDIBLE source for facts except for hearing what people have said, and even THAT is often edited by the YOUTUBE poster with little to no risk (unlike in a more credible source trying to maintain its credibility)


analogy: If I said I bought a hostess bar from the grocery store....and someone said that wasnt the healthiest thing for me to buy


would they be condemning the WHOLE Grocery store...or just the Hostess bar?

would they be implying that there were no healthy choices at the grocery store?



you have to search for credible sources on the internet, just like you have to search in a grocery store for healthy food choices

often times, when it comes to the internet, people want to lump all the food together with the same description,,,but thats not true

yes, you will find errors and omissions at every source (internet or media) because people cannot cover everything at all times and they have to be mindful of their audience so they can have sponsors and continue getting paid

BUT,,there are far more sources who outright LIE and too many people who read opinions as facts,,,than there are people actually trying to give ACCURATE and TRUE information,,,especially on the internet


I understand what you're saying, and that there is people that will lie or twist things to suit their interests on the net, but what bothers me is people go to such extremes on this. The idea that because someone in the public eye has told you something they are more likely to be right, and because someone isn't they are more likely to be wrong, is exactly why we are in the mess we are in today.

We need to stop judging information based on source, and instead on the merit of the ideas presented. Then you will get a better idea of what the truth is, source and fact don't always go together.


thats one of the problems, there is no way to know the 'source' in a youtube posting

noone knows WHO is posting it or where they get the information from

unlike more 'credible' news sources with jobs, employment records, public documents, telling you who they are and what their credentials/experience is

as well as the risk they take by being such a KNOWN public entity by posting LIES about someone or something,,,,

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