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SkyHook5652
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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. #1 is simply not true. I, personally have memories of more than one previous life and I personally know several people who also have memories of previous lives. #2 tries to equate poor memory with proof #3 tries to equate good memory with proof  #4 presuposes the existence of an entity that controls reincarnation, which is no more valid or invalid than the contrary assumption So, based on all that, I would have to agree that the reasons are just as valid now as they were then. |
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Edited by
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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. My youngest son at age four, around the dinner table, said to me, "You know Mum, there were a lot of people at my birth." I said , " No sweetheart just your dad, me, and a midwife." He replied with a little frown, " NO MUM, there WERE a lot of people there." I said " Where, honey?" He replied with a little sigh,as if educating a brain injured person, " There were a lot of people there, while I was WAITING to be Born." I asked him how he knew this, he said he remembered... he said being a people hurts, not like BEFORE, there was no hurting. We did not have television, they were all raised in an isolated farm, where the natural cycles of life occurred around them. We did not speak of reincarnation, we did not talk of thinks esoteric...(their father was stoically against any 'whoodoo guru' stuff". I asked if he had been talking with anyone about being born, about stuff that MAY happen outside of our day to day world.... trying to discover if this was a suggested piece of info... Ry just sighed again, and said " Mum I REMEMBER." He is not the first, nor the last child who remembers their birth, and before times... Children are CONDITIONED to forget, ' Don't be stupid, it can't happen" is a great way to shut kids down from remembering. I dispute what you have offered Feralcat, and only through personal exeriences. |
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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. My youngest son at age four, around the dinner table, said to me, "You know Mum, there were a lot of people at my birth." I said , " No sweetheart just your dad, me, and a midwife." He replied with a little frown, " NO MUM, there WERE a lot of people there." I said " Where, honey?" He replied with a little sigh,as if educating a brain injured person, " There were a lot of people there, while I was WAITING to be Born." I asked him how he knew this, he said he remembered... he said being a people hurts, not like BEFORE, there was no hurting. We did not have television, they were all raised in an isolated farm, where the natural cycles of life occurred around them. We did not speak of reincarnation, we did not talk of thinks esoteric...(their father was stoically against any 'whoodoo guru' stuff". I asked if he had been talking with anyone about being born, about stuff that MAY happen outside of our day to day world.... trying to discover if this was a suggested piece of info... Ry just sighed again, and said " Mum I REMEMBER." He is not the first, nor the last child who remembers their birth, and before times... Children are CONDITIONED to forget, ' Don't be stupid, it can't happen" is a great way to shut kids down from remembering. I dispute what you have offered Feralcat, and only through personal exeriences. then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable, even other religions would require more evidence than this to make it their dogma. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Sat 11/15/08 01:03 PM
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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. My youngest son at age four, around the dinner table, said to me, "You know Mum, there were a lot of people at my birth." I said , " No sweetheart just your dad, me, and a midwife." He replied with a little frown, " NO MUM, there WERE a lot of people there." I said " Where, honey?" He replied with a little sigh,as if educating a brain injured person, " There were a lot of people there, while I was WAITING to be Born." I asked him how he knew this, he said he remembered... he said being a people hurts, not like BEFORE, there was no hurting. We did not have television, they were all raised in an isolated farm, where the natural cycles of life occurred around them. We did not speak of reincarnation, we did not talk of thinks esoteric...(their father was stoically against any 'whoodoo guru' stuff". I asked if he had been talking with anyone about being born, about stuff that MAY happen outside of our day to day world.... trying to discover if this was a suggested piece of info... Ry just sighed again, and said " Mum I REMEMBER." He is not the first, nor the last child who remembers their birth, and before times... Children are CONDITIONED to forget, ' Don't be stupid, it can't happen" is a great way to shut kids down from remembering. I dispute what you have offered Feralcat, and only through personal exeriences. then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable, even other religions would require more evidence than this to make it their dogma. I have no dogma, my karma ran over it. Nor do I have religious boundaries. Why can't all children remember this? Because most are not allowed a voice. So many indigenous cultures allow their children to be... and so many indigenous cultures, Afrika, Papua new Guinea, Maori, Indigenous Australian, Indonesian.... Many many indigenous cultures children remember before thier birth and past lives. Is it possible Western cultures are so clouded in science, they have no room to allow children their sacredness? |
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Edited by
tribo
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Sat 11/15/08 01:17 PM
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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. My youngest son at age four, around the dinner table, said to me, "You know Mum, there were a lot of people at my birth." I said , " No sweetheart just your dad, me, and a midwife." He replied with a little frown, " NO MUM, there WERE a lot of people there." I said " Where, honey?" He replied with a little sigh,as if educating a brain injured person, " There were a lot of people there, while I was WAITING to be Born." I asked him how he knew this, he said he remembered... he said being a people hurts, not like BEFORE, there was no hurting. We did not have television, they were all raised in an isolated farm, where the natural cycles of life occurred around them. We did not speak of reincarnation, we did not talk of thinks esoteric...(their father was stoically against any 'whoodoo guru' stuff". I asked if he had been talking with anyone about being born, about stuff that MAY happen outside of our day to day world.... trying to discover if this was a suggested piece of info... Ry just sighed again, and said " Mum I REMEMBER." He is not the first, nor the last child who remembers their birth, and before times... Children are CONDITIONED to forget, ' Don't be stupid, it can't happen" is a great way to shut kids down from remembering. I dispute what you have offered Feralcat, and only through personal exeriences. then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable, even other religions would require more evidence than this to make it their dogma. I have no dogma, my karma ran over it. Nor do I have religious boundaries. Why can't all children remember this? Because most are not allowed a voice. So many indigenous cultures allow their children to be... and so many indigenous cultures, Afrika, Papua new Guinea, Maori, Indigenous Australian, Indonesian.... Many many indigenous cultures children remember before thier birth and past lives. Is it possible Western cultures are so clouded in science, they have no room to allow children their sacredness? Then your child is an exception to the rule seeing he is in this culture and yet he speaks thus - this does not answer my question of whether Buddha taught morals or not - after all if he did then your point was moot so please explain what nirvana is and whether he did or not? thnx |
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No I don't, and I didn't in my previous lives, either.......  your to cute for your own good Mr. What makes you think I was joking, Mistress Debbie? I know you weren't....... |
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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. My youngest son at age four, around the dinner table, said to me, "You know Mum, there were a lot of people at my birth." I said , " No sweetheart just your dad, me, and a midwife." He replied with a little frown, " NO MUM, there WERE a lot of people there." I said " Where, honey?" He replied with a little sigh,as if educating a brain injured person, " There were a lot of people there, while I was WAITING to be Born." I asked him how he knew this, he said he remembered... he said being a people hurts, not like BEFORE, there was no hurting. We did not have television, they were all raised in an isolated farm, where the natural cycles of life occurred around them. We did not speak of reincarnation, we did not talk of thinks esoteric...(their father was stoically against any 'whoodoo guru' stuff". I asked if he had been talking with anyone about being born, about stuff that MAY happen outside of our day to day world.... trying to discover if this was a suggested piece of info... Ry just sighed again, and said " Mum I REMEMBER." He is not the first, nor the last child who remembers their birth, and before times... Children are CONDITIONED to forget, ' Don't be stupid, it can't happen" is a great way to shut kids down from remembering. I dispute what you have offered Feralcat, and only through personal exeriences. then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable, even other religions would require more evidence than this to make it their dogma. I have no dogma, my karma ran over it. Nor do I have religious boundaries. Why can't all children remember this? Because most are not allowed a voice. So many indigenous cultures allow their children to be... and so many indigenous cultures, Afrika, Papua new Guinea, Maori, Indigenous Australian, Indonesian.... Many many indigenous cultures children remember before thier birth and past lives. Is it possible Western cultures are so clouded in science, they have no room to allow children their sacredness? Then your child is an exception to the rule seeing he is in this culture and yet he speaks thus - this does not answer my question of whether Buddha taught morals or not - after all if he did then your point was moot so please explain what nirvana is and whether he did or not? thnx If "Cause no harm to any sentient being' is a moral, then yes, Buddha shared insights. Buddha did not teach, he shared his insights, and also said do NOT follow my insights to the letter... take them, and create your own, based on your understanding of them. Do NOT idolise me, and create dogmatic laws with my teachings. They are merely insights... ALL of them could be perceived as morals. Nirvana....Samsara...all of it... attaining enlightenment, as a human form, (not the christian after death heaven thingo)...is in my understandings and learnings, the place of nothingness...Nirvana is the place of karmic responsibilities fulfilled....no returning to suffering (this human experience)... What Nirvana is, is as vast as any imagining.... and as small as any single thought. One has to step outside of their conditioning, and NOT look for reference points, substituting what they had previously learnt, (ie christian heaven)...and making it fit another. MAN created the doctrines, the dogmas, the structured religions.... Buddha offered another point of view, is all. |
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Tribo said:
then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Past_Lives Specifically, Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker. |
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Tribo said: then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Past_Lives Specifically, Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker. I know you weren't calling me a liar, Tribo... I wanted you to really answer the question for yourself... go looking for the POSSIBILTY I may be speaking my truth... And discover just how many children GLOBALLY do remember BEFORE they were born. And thanks Skyhook. |
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tribo
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""Nirvana....Samsara...all of it... attaining enlightenment, as a human form, (not the christian after death heaven thing)...is in my understandings and learnings, the place of nothingness...Nirvana is the place of karmic responsibilities fulfilled....no returning to suffering (this human experience)...""
Funny you would use the phrase "....no returning to suffering (this human experience)..."" I disagree with what I've rad of Buddhas teachings i can see them as nothing less the a moral code as to how one should live - if he said make up your own based on his - i have not seen that. he set out pretty straight forward guideline's to say the least on how one was to achieve enlightenment. What good is "suffering this human experience if the good of nirvana is escaping it and not sharing it with those still here? - if mankind is is incapable of putting to use and changing what is here and now what purpose does it really serve? in other words - if these moral guidelines that are Buddha's are to be taken and made your own by your choice of what you deem the right or correct way to follow and live and they are different than the next persons, what good does that do? if mans does not become better than his past then what good is it? if man remains the same even with thousands of Buddhist take offs by the masses of followers and remains the same why bother. I personally have not seen any marked improvment in mans moral nature since the beginning of recorded history!! you may point out individuals - but they could be counted on both hands. that is not an over-all improvement - that/those are exceptions to the rule - like you say of yours sons words. no more no less. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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""Nirvana....Samsara...all of it... attaining enlightenment, as a human form, (not the christian after death heaven thing)...is in my understandings and learnings, the place of nothingness...Nirvana is the place of karmic responsibilities fulfilled....no returning to suffering (this human experience)..."" Funny you would use the phrase "....no returning to suffering (this human experience)..."" I disagree with what I've rad of Buddhas teachings i can see them as nothing less the a moral code as to how one should live - if he said make up your own based on his - i have not seen that. he set out pretty straight forward guideline's to say the least on how one was to achieve enlightenment. What good is "suffering this human experience if the good of nirvana is escaping it and not sharing it with those still here? - if mankind is is incapable of putting to use and changing what is here and now what purpose does it really serve? in other words - if these moral guidelines that are Buddha's are to be taken and made your own by your choice of what you deem the right or correct way to follow and live and they are different than the next persons, what good does that do? if mans does not become better than his past then what good is it? if man remains the same even with thousands of Buddhist take offs by the masses of followers and remains the same why bother. Because this is a collective consciousness having a human experience.... returning to source. Tribo... I suspect our differences, and my incapacity to communicate clearly may stem from a possible view that you see yourself as separate... a single entity. I see/feel/know myself as part of the all... no separation, totally interconnected with everything, everywhere. And the individuality of Buddha's insights? How many different forms of buddhism are there in this time? How many facets of buddhism? That may explain the take the insights, and make them authentically yours. And why many now like sheep follow strictly the doctrines, written and created by single perceptions, and now allegedly the ONLY form of buddhism. (depending on the discipline of the facet of buddhism taught) |
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Tribo said: then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Past_Lives Specifically, Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker. Sky - unfortunately the link is being deleted so i cant see "how many" as to determining a percentage as she outlines her theory. any clues as to that? percentage wise 100, 1000, etc? |
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Ok...583 000 hits in under 20 seconds... using google 'children's past life memories' and going one further....using ' academic research children's past life memories Web Results 1 - 10 of about 2,730,000 hits. Surely if you really wanted to learn more about this.... you may like to look. 
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Ok...583 000 hits in under 20 seconds... using google 'children's past life memories' and going one further....using ' academic research children's past life memories Web Results 1 - 10 of about 2,730,000 hits. Surely if you really wanted to learn more about this.... you may like to look. thnx ill do just that |
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Tribo said: then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Past_Lives Specifically, Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker. Sky - unfortunately the link is being deleted so i cant see "how many" as to determining a percentage as she outlines her theory. any clues as to that? percentage wise 100, 1000, etc? I haven’t researched it very deeply. In a five minute Wikipedia/Google search I could only find one mention of any actual numbers: “Dr. Ian Stevenson … spent nearly half a century traveling the world to meticulously investigate hundreds of cases of small children who appeared to recall previous lives” Apparently, Jim Tucker continued with Ian Stevenson’s work: “Dr. Tucker, a board-certified child psychiatrist, worked with Professor Ian Stevenson before taking over the research upon Stevenson’s retirement.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Tucker Carol Bowman appears to be more of a writer than a researcher. I couldn’t find any mention of actual numbers for her. http://www.childpastlives.org/ |
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Tribo said: then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Past_Lives Specifically, Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker. Sky - unfortunately the link is being deleted so i cant see "how many" as to determining a percentage as she outlines her theory. any clues as to that? percentage wise 100, 1000, etc? I haven’t researched it very deeply. In a five minute Wikipedia/Google search I could only find one mention of any actual numbers: “Dr. Ian Stevenson … spent nearly half a century traveling the world to meticulously investigate hundreds of cases of small children who appeared to recall previous lives” Apparently, Jim Tucker continued with Ian Stevenson’s work: “Dr. Tucker, a board-certified child psychiatrist, worked with Professor Ian Stevenson before taking over the research upon Stevenson’s retirement.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Tucker Carol Bowman appears to be more of a writer than a researcher. I couldn’t find any mention of actual numbers for her. http://www.childpastlives.org/ ok ill see what i come up with. thnx |
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Bushidobillyclub
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Tribo said: then tell me why all children don't remember this? if this is the case then there should be millions of other parents saying this - i have never heard any that includes my own. nor my grand kids. and they were not taught chritianity till much later in their lives in there early teens. im not calling you a liar but i need more than 1 child saying so to make it acceptable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Past_Lives Specifically, Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker. Sky - unfortunately the link is being deleted so i cant see "how many" as to determining a percentage as she outlines her theory. any clues as to that? percentage wise 100, 1000, etc? I haven’t researched it very deeply. In a five minute Wikipedia/Google search I could only find one mention of any actual numbers: “Dr. Ian Stevenson … spent nearly half a century traveling the world to meticulously investigate hundreds of cases of small children who appeared to recall previous lives” Apparently, Jim Tucker continued with Ian Stevenson’s work: “Dr. Tucker, a board-certified child psychiatrist, worked with Professor Ian Stevenson before taking over the research upon Stevenson’s retirement.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Tucker Carol Bowman appears to be more of a writer than a researcher. I couldn’t find any mention of actual numbers for her. http://www.childpastlives.org/ One possibility is that the human mind is engineered via epi-genetics that can copy out latent memories from gene encoding proteins. But it could be reincarnation also, but I always ask myself, from what we have as data points what is more likely? Well we have not found any such proteins, or codes . . . darn. Well we have not found any medium for spirit . . . darn. Its one thing to find these data points (kids with memories that do not relate to actual experience in there young lives.) and another to extrapolate a cause of them. Very interesting however, I could see that as research I would love to do! |
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I do Do you have idea as to how you will be when you come back?  |
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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. My youngest son at age four, around the dinner table, said to me, "You know Mum, there were a lot of people at my birth." I said , " No sweetheart just your dad, me, and a midwife." He replied with a little frown, " NO MUM, there WERE a lot of people there." I said " Where, honey?" He replied with a little sigh,as if educating a brain injured person, " There were a lot of people there, while I was WAITING to be Born." I asked him how he knew this, he said he remembered... he said being a people hurts, not like BEFORE, there was no hurting. We did not have television, they were all raised in an isolated farm, where the natural cycles of life occurred around them. We did not speak of reincarnation, we did not talk of thinks esoteric...(their father was stoically against any 'whoodoo guru' stuff". I asked if he had been talking with anyone about being born, about stuff that MAY happen outside of our day to day world.... trying to discover if this was a suggested piece of info... Ry just sighed again, and said " Mum I REMEMBER." He is not the first, nor the last child who remembers their birth, and before times... Children are CONDITIONED to forget, ' Don't be stupid, it can't happen" is a great way to shut kids down from remembering. I dispute what you have offered Feralcat, and only through personal exeriences. Jess..... children, becausse of thier innocence and still not being affected by the world yet, can experience things that older folks cant...especially flying dreams, souls even travelling or flying in dreams to other places,etc....... so maybe your child may have experienced this ,instead. Just a thought .  |
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(((((((((((((((((MS))))))))))))))))))))
Blessings always to you sweets..... |
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