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The concept of reincarnation is a fundamental part of classical Hindu and Buddhist thought, and also became widespread in ancient Greek philosophy. This view was also taught by a few of the early Christian thinkers, especially Origen (about 240 AD). Reincatrnation was discussed by Gregory of Nyssa (a church leader of about 380 AD), who gave the reasons why to reject reincarnation as: 1. That we have no memory of any previous life. 2. That a baby starts without knowledge of people, language or the world, and has to learn everything from zero. It has no knowledge or memory of having ever been through this life before. 3. That a child's knowledge and wisdom grows as the body grows. 4. That to suggest that God's future for us is more cycles of the same life, forgetting the previous cycle, does not give us hope but despair. Just as the child's body derived from the parents, so also in some way the child's mind and life is generated by those of the parents. The soul has not been anywhere else before it was made with the body. It seems to me that these reasons are as valid now as they were then. My youngest son at age four, around the dinner table, said to me, "You know Mum, there were a lot of people at my birth." I said , " No sweetheart just your dad, me, and a midwife." He replied with a little frown, " NO MUM, there WERE a lot of people there." I said " Where, honey?" He replied with a little sigh,as if educating a brain injured person, " There were a lot of people there, while I was WAITING to be Born." I asked him how he knew this, he said he remembered... he said being a people hurts, not like BEFORE, there was no hurting. We did not have television, they were all raised in an isolated farm, where the natural cycles of life occurred around them. We did not speak of reincarnation, we did not talk of thinks esoteric...(their father was stoically against any 'whoodoo guru' stuff". I asked if he had been talking with anyone about being born, about stuff that MAY happen outside of our day to day world.... trying to discover if this was a suggested piece of info... Ry just sighed again, and said " Mum I REMEMBER." He is not the first, nor the last child who remembers their birth, and before times... Children are CONDITIONED to forget, ' Don't be stupid, it can't happen" is a great way to shut kids down from remembering. I dispute what you have offered Feralcat, and only through personal exeriences. Jess..... children, becausse of thier innocence and still not being affected by the world yet, can experience things that older folks cant...especially flying dreams, souls even travelling or flying in dreams to other places,etc....... so maybe your child may have experienced this ,instead. Just a thought .  Wow Jess that is so cool because I seem to remember my birth and I remember that there were a "lot of people there" too. Then someone came up to me and said "It's time." Then I was born. It was cold and the doctor slapped me on the butt twice and made me cry. It really made me mad.. I was alive and awake there was no call to do that... is kind of what I was thinking.  I really do remember that. So yes, I believe your child. I have also had flying dreams. I don't seem to fly much any more. Maybe I lost my wings. so sad. 
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I don't believe in much, reincarnation is a rather open idea but it has many flaws...evolution is the way to go.
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 11/16/08 08:10 AM
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I don't believe in much, reincarnation is a rather open idea but it has many flaws...evolution is the way to go. evolution and reincarnation are not even related. You can believe in both. I do. They actually work very well together. There are no flaws in reincarnation. Just things you don't understand. |
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I don't believe in much, reincarnation is a rather open idea but it has many flaws...evolution is the way to go. evolution and reincarnation are not even related. You can believe in both. I do. They actually work very well together. There are no flaws in reincarnation. Just things you don't understand. Where did I say I believed in either? I have very few beliefs, my ideas I can create and continuously form and mold to fit my view. My belief doesn't fall into the after-life, explain how there are no flaws if you would? One of the major flaws is the death versus birth rate, even among animals it doesn't add up which is a major flaw with reincarnation. Another one is the belief of anything after we die, we don't know that, there is no possibility of a 100% sure thing with this idea. One thing is sure, we die, what happens after that will always be a mystery. |
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I don't believe in much, reincarnation is a rather open idea but it has many flaws...evolution is the way to go. evolution and reincarnation are not even related. You can believe in both. I do. They actually work very well together. There are no flaws in reincarnation. Just things you don't understand. Where did I say I believed in either? I have very few beliefs, my ideas I can create and continuously form and mold to fit my view. My belief doesn't fall into the after-life, explain how there are no flaws if you would? One of the major flaws is the death versus birth rate, even among animals it doesn't add up which is a major flaw with reincarnation. Another one is the belief of anything after we die, we don't know that, there is no possibility of a 100% sure thing with this idea. One thing is sure, we die, what happens after that will always be a mystery. I don't see a flaw in the death vs birth rate. Of course my belief in incarnation and "reincarnation" explains all of that and there are no flaws in it the way I see it. But if you don't believe in it at all, there is no point in my explaining it to you. You are correct there is no 100% sure thing in any belief. That is why they call it a "belief" instead of calling it a "fact." So I just embrace "The Great Mystery" as Tribo puts it. |
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Sun 11/16/08 11:09 AM
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I don't believe in much, reincarnation is a rather open idea but it has many flaws...evolution is the way to go. They actually work very well together. There are no flaws in reincarnation. Just things you don't understand. I’d like to jump in here if I may. The apparent death.vs.birth rate flaw depends on the assumption that there is a one-to-one correspondence between the number of “physical bodies” and the number of “spritual entities” to occupy them. In my belief system, that is not the case. As Jeannie said, the belief of anything after we die is not a flaw. It is simply a belief in something that has not been proved. On the other hand, I personally have had experiences that indicate to me that reincarnation is a virtual certainty. But because those experiences are entirely subjective, the obviously cannot constitute any sort of proof to anyone else. And I'd like to point out that your statement of “One thing is sure, we die, what happens after that will always be a mystery” is opinion, not fact. It is simply your own belief. Granted, it is a belief that is shared by a great many people. But it is still just as much an unproven belief as is reincarnation. |
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nope
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I don't believe in much, reincarnation is a rather open idea but it has many flaws...evolution is the way to go. They actually work very well together. There are no flaws in reincarnation. Just things you don't understand. I’d like to jump in here if I may. The apparent death.vs.birth rate flaw depends on the assumption that there is a one-to-one correspondence between the number of “physical bodies” and the number of “spritual entities” to occupy them. In my belief system, that is not the case. As Jeannie said, the belief of anything after we die is not a flaw. It is simply a belief in something that has not been proved. On the other hand, I personally have had experiences that indicate to me that reincarnation is a virtual certainty. But because those experiences are entirely subjective, the obviously cannot constitute any sort of proof to anyone else. And I'd like to point out that your statement of “One thing is sure, we die, what happens after that will always be a mystery” is opinion, not fact. It is simply your own belief. Granted, it is a belief that is shared by a great many people. But it is still just as much an unproven belief as is reincarnation. Thank you for the explanation. How is death an opinion though? That is a fact, any religion or scientific belief will hold to that...we all die, however what happens after will be a mystery as no one alive can account for death as you said without it being entirely subjective. I will admit that I don't know what will happen when I die, but there is no belief in that as I don't think anyone can really know what is going to happen upon their death only believe what will happen which again is only opinion...the fact is that it is unknown, and it will remain that way for eternity until some measure of guidance is able to explain what occurs without reasonable doubt. |
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It is true that no one can prove what happens after death, but it is not true that no one can know what happens after death.
Knowing is a matter of experiencing it for yourself. If you can recover your memories from past lives and/or past deaths, you can KNOW what happened to you personally after your last death. You will not be able to prove that to anyone probably, but you can "know" in the sense that you experienced it and remembered it. jb |
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It's a pretty cool concept to be reborn as someone or something. I'm not sure if I believe in it though.
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Edited by
Jess642
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Sun 11/16/08 12:51 PM
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Jess..... children, becausse of thier innocence and still not being affected by the world yet, can experience things that older folks cant...especially flying dreams, souls even travelling or flying in dreams to other places,etc....... so maybe your child may have experienced this ,instead. Just a thought . MS....anything is possible, however knowing the character of this child intimately, he is little mr solemn... and mr pragmatic.... he is the silent observer of our family, and has been since his birth, he didn't even bother to yelp being born...just stretched, looked around, and went back to sleep... I don't dispute the possibility, but knowing his 'input' history, we were extremely isolated living in the wilderness, with only his siblings and parents, no tv, and was too young to read at four, his stimulus was his natural surroundings and his siblings.... and none of them ever ventured theories of other lives, or remembering prior to thier birth, they were as interested as I was in Ry's little conversation. When Ry speaks, we listen, as he is not a waster of words... it's his inherent wisdom and nature. 
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I don't believe in much, reincarnation is a rather open idea but it has many flaws...evolution is the way to go. evolution and reincarnation are not even related. You can believe in both. I do. They actually work very well together. There are no flaws in reincarnation. Just things you don't understand. The apparent death.vs.birth rate flaw depends on the assumption that there is a one-to-one correspondence between the number of “physical bodies” and the number of “spritual entities” to occupy them. In my belief system, that is not the case. As Jeannie said, the belief of anything after we die is not a flaw. It is simply a belief in something that has not been proved. On the other hand, I personally have had experiences that indicate to me that reincarnation is a virtual certainty. But because those experiences are entirely subjective, the obviously cannot constitute any sort of proof to anyone else. And I'd like to point out that your statement of “One thing is sure, we die, what happens after that will always be a mystery” is opinion, not fact. It is simply your own belief. Granted, it is a belief that is shared by a great many people. But it is still just as much an unproven belief as is reincarnation. Yes, the current "majority opinion" is that you cannot know what will happen when you die. And even the hundreds of documented accounts of "past life memories" do not constitue objective proof. So we all either believe or not and will either be surprised or not when the time comes to actually find out. 
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yes i believe in reincarnation, and i am either coming back as a horse or the devil. take ur pick.
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Sun 11/16/08 03:50 PM
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Jess..... children, because of thier innocence and still not being affected by the world yet, can experience things that older folks cant...especially flying dreams, souls even travelling or flying in dreams to other places,etc....... so maybe your child may have experienced this ,instead. Just a thought . MS....anything is possible, however knowing the character of this child intimately, he is little mr solemn... and mr pragmatic.... he is the silent observer of our family, and has been since his birth, he didn't even bother to yelp being born...just stretched, looked around, and went back to sleep... I don't dispute the possibility, but knowing his 'input' history, we were extremely isolated living in the wilderness, with only his siblings and parents, no tv, and was too young to read at four, his stimulus was his natural surroundings and his siblings.... and none of them ever ventured theories of other lives, or remembering prior to thier birth, they were as interested as I was in Ry's little conversation. When Ry speaks, we listen, as he is not a waster of words... it's his inherent wisdom and nature. Jess...again, I believe in children being able to fly in their dreams(the soul is doing this). I believe a child can even see his own birth(again, it is his SOUL witnessing this). BUT...Jess..... because reincarnation sounds like a twist on ressurrection( mentioned in the bible), I will share on this subject , but only one time (cause I respect the fact that this is not the religion forum). (Only sharing here this time only, because of the similarity of the two) Ok...... I Believe in the God of the bible. And the bible states , " it is Appointed Unto Man ONCE to LIVE, and then comes the Judgment". Meaning .... God does NOT give man multiple chances to come back with more than one chance to live on this earth, Jess. But what God DOES offer man is.... the ability to be BORN AGAIN... but that happens ONLY in the spirit of man, NOT the flesh. However..... one day, there WILL be a RESURRECTION Of Believers's EARTHLY Bodies , into new Heavenly Bodies !! But of course, this acquiring new heavenly bodies, is known as Resurrection, NOT reincarnation. Again....In the Resurrection, man WILL acquire new heavenly bodies. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Sun 11/16/08 04:11 PM
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Jess...again, I believe in children being able to fly in their dreams(the soul is doing this). I believe a child can even see his own birth(again, it is his SOUL witnessing this). BUT...Jess..... because reincarnation sounds like a twist on ressurrection( mentioned in the bible), I will share on this subject , but only one time (cause I respect the fact that this is not the religion forum). (Only sharing here this time only, because of the similarity of the two) Ok...... I Believe in the God of the bible. And the bible states , " it is Appointed Unto Man ONCE to LIVE, and then comes the Judgment". Meaning .... God does NOT give man multiple chances to come back with more than one chance to live on this earth, Jess. But what God DOES offer man is.... the ability to be BORN AGAIN... but that happens ONLY in the spirit of man, NOT the flesh. However..... one day, there WILL be a RESURRECTION Of Believers's EARTHLY Bodies , into new Heavenly Bodies !! But of course, this acquiring new heavenly bodies, is known as Resurrection, NOT reincarnation. Again....In the Resurrection, man WILL acquire new heavenly bodies. I found an interesting theory of just what may explain the resurrection thing.... When one can move beyond selfish, selfcentric behaviours, and can 'tap' into the earth's and universe's energetic fields....(or just plain energy)....when they don't take from others' energetically, and sustain themselves through living authentically, and completely tapped into Natures' energy, or universal energy...they can move to a higher vibration... a different 'plane' for want of words to describe it. I suspect that the MAN Jesus, did nothing more than share his insights... to love... to forgive... to support each other... and to care for this world we walk on.... then tried to show the peoples of that time, how they can rise 'above' the ways they existed. I feel men, and superstition, and fear based ignorance were what killed him... He was a man, with wisdom that the world wasn't ready for. As I stated in an earlier post, I dont believe so much in death, rebirth, act a dog in one life, come back as a dog next life, but rather a continuum of energy, that is at times housed in a human body. I suspect that we are pure energy, (or spirit, or source, depending on the term one prefers,) housed in a human form, for this experience... So resurrection, reincarnation.... or continuum? I find 'witnessing'of one's religious doctrines to be something more like AMWAY, personally.
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NO
NO NO and in case you didn't see No No No |
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Reincarnation is a grown people fantasy for those who for whatever reason cant deal with the realities of life.
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Reincarnation is a grown people fantasy for those who for whatever reason cant deal with the realities of life. What makes you think so? |
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Edited by
SkyHook5652
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Sun 11/16/08 07:15 PM
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Reincarnation is a grown people fantasy for those who for whatever reason cant deal with the realities of life. What makes you think so? |
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Edited by
ITALIANBYGOD
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Sun 11/16/08 07:28 PM
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Great topic, I still catch myself stopping when I see or hear a crow/raven crowing near by. Yes I know it's an old indian wise tale same as the spirit in a wolf who howls. My view is no one will know till it's your time I guess. it's all what you choose to believe, so with that said. I'd like to come back as a toilet, so I can get a lot of ass.
Smile, cause being too serious sometimes can be a bad thing. |
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