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Topic: Stop Unfair tobacco taxes.. take action now
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Fri 01/16/09 12:42 PM
TAKE ACTION!

Last year, Congress tried for a $6.10 per carton increase to fund a multi-billion dollar expansion of the SCHIP Program. This year, it could be more!

If passed, adult smokers would pay $10.00 per carton in federal cigarette taxes alone! This is in addition to state excise taxes and sales tax. Since the year 2000, state and federal cigarette excise taxes have been increased 92 times – driving up the average price of cigarettes over 109%!

Please click “TAKE ACTION” to send an email to your Representative and Senators today! Your participation will make a difference!

In difficult economic times like these, raising taxes just doesn’t make sense!

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I got a coupon when buying my cigs that has the information about the website above and a number to call 1.866-527-4494 I have already signed up, and am now going to call the number even if over kill.. grin!

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Fri 01/16/09 12:43 PM
SORRY I DONT SMOKE..............

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Fri 01/16/09 12:44 PM
Edited by rlynne on Fri 01/16/09 12:44 PM
enlist..buy on post...no taxes free medical..same crap you would have to deal with else where, and you get to serve your country

and if your in long enough and you get the cancer...the VA benefits should cover it

adj4u's photo
Fri 01/16/09 12:49 PM
what this surprise you
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what because it does not effect nonsmoker you should ignore the injustice
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they could legalize victim less crime and tax them (drugs n prostitution for example)


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Fri 01/16/09 01:00 PM
Tobacco is a big crop here in Kentucky. This would hurt alot of farmers here. Thanks for the link. smokin

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Fri 01/16/09 01:05 PM

what this surprise you
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what because it does not effect nonsmoker you should ignore the injustice
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they could legalize victim less crime and tax them (drugs n prostitution for example)




I don't think you can label drugs a victimless crime...

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Fri 01/16/09 01:06 PM
I don't smoke so in one sense I don't have a dog in this fight.

Here's the thing though that gives me pause.

There's this huge move to extinguish (sorry had to use that word) smoking at the same time as the government is looking at tobacco taxes as a source of income.

Smoking? I chose not to. Even in the 60's when all the adults around me smoked and it was suppose to be a swell thing to do I observed those adults around me who smoked hacking and coughing regular and surmised that it wasn't likely good for you. So I didn't smoke.

I am not a smoking nazi. Just please don't smoke while I eat. It tastes bad.

We really don't need a parental government folks.

My question...if they do eliminate smoking what do they tax in it's place?

I am sure higher liquor taxes along with taxes on internet, fast food and other "sin taxes" are next.

Another good time to suggest the legalization and taxation of pot?

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Fri 01/16/09 01:07 PM
depends on the drug

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Fri 01/16/09 01:11 PM

Tobacco is a big crop here in Kentucky. This would hurt alot of farmers here. Thanks for the link. smokin


I have been smoking for ages now, I never sued the bastards for lieing about it's affect. However, damn it, it's my only vice and I will be damned if the government will take that away from me too, if I have to figure out how to grow the stuff myself, after they price it right out of my range.

If the pesticides and all manner of crap your ingesting from supposed healthy fruits and vegetables doesn't get you, something else will.

We are all suffering the affects of a government that give free money to those that aren't hurting and punishes those whom they screwed, TWICE. Allow me to at least have my damn cigarettes. SOB's

It won't be just farmers that lose out here it will be everyone that let's this sort of theft go unanswered. Geeez how much of a carton is already mostly tax for pete sakes.


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Fri 01/16/09 01:13 PM
Edited by 35TOO on Fri 01/16/09 01:20 PM

Tobacco is a big crop here in Kentucky. This would hurt alot of farmers here. Thanks for the link. smokin
MORE CORN FOR ETHONAL..........DONT YOU HAVE STILLS THERE.....COMPETE WITH OPEC...YOU CAN EAT THE CORN , BUT CAN THEY EAT THE OIL AND SAND..............?????????

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Fri 01/16/09 01:14 PM
I personally always respect those that do not smoke. I don't smoke around them, in their home or mine for that matter.

But it bugs me to no end those in high places that would love to dictate what I can and can't do with my own body. Just infuriates me.. argh!!!

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Fri 01/16/09 01:15 PM


what this surprise you
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what because it does not effect nonsmoker you should ignore the injustice
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they could legalize victim less crime and tax them (drugs n prostitution for example)




I don't think you can label drugs a victimless crime...


why not explain who the victim is plz

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Fri 01/16/09 01:33 PM
Overtaxation is going to be a real problem even more then it is now, over the next 4 years...get used to it.. Communists and socialists use over taxation to support their ideals. Prohibition did not work, so taxation is the weapon of choice now.

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Fri 01/16/09 02:02 PM
Edited by karmafury on Fri 01/16/09 02:10 PM



what this surprise you
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what because it does not effect nonsmoker you should ignore the injustice
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they could legalize victim less crime and tax them (drugs n prostitution for example)




I don't think you can label drugs a victimless crime...


why not explain who the victim is plz


The person mugged for cash to pay for the drugs.

The person whose place of business gets broken into.

The person whose home is broken into.

The person who loses their home to fire when the meth lab next door blows up.

Every consumer who pays more for goods because of theft to pay for drugs.



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To the tax thing. I smoke and see nothing wrong with taxing it.
A: will stop people from starting if it's too expensive
B: less people smoking is less of a drain on medical services
C: those who do, such as myself, less inclined to continue.

For those living in tobacco country...sorry but there are other cash crops less detrimental to the general health of the population.

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Fri 01/16/09 02:05 PM
How'd we go from taxing cigarettes to drugs? What did I miss?

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Fri 01/16/09 02:35 PM

what this surprise you
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what because it does not effect nonsmoker you should ignore the injustice
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they could legalize victim less crime and tax them (drugs n prostitution for example)


Ok.

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Fri 01/16/09 02:55 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Fri 01/16/09 02:56 PM
Sounds like more government intervention to me. I'm not heavily against this sort of thing, but i would be against making it illegal as it would turn it into a money pit, like marijuana and prostitution, instead of a source of income.

I also have a BIG problem with raising any sort of taxes until the government learns to spend responsibly. Does that make any sense? When they increase taxes to make up for their poor spending habits it's just wrong and everyone needs to stand against it.

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Fri 01/16/09 02:58 PM
There are several Federal entitlements associated with tobacco, there is also a Federal tobacco farmers buy out.

One of the entitlements has to do with the major lawsuit the tobacco companies lost, which is also associated with the buy out.

Another entitlement related to tobacco has to do with medicaid, in which States are given a certain amount to help pay for tobacco related illnesses among the recipients of medicaid.

Yet another entitlement goes into medical research regarding tobacco and its effects and medical treatments, and so on.

May I ask you all, where do you think the money for these Federal entitlements comes from? Just in case you don't make the connection, all this money comes from our tax dollars - the only legal source of Federal income.

So what are we paying for? We are paying for the right of individuals to take action that is known to be harmful to their health. We are then paying for their health care.

Why are we paying all this money just so that some people can systematically destroy their health, and seek a remedy at the populations expense?

We are paying becasue the government got involved with tobacco a long time ago - before there was not yet proof of the harmful affects of tobacco use.

The government dictated to the growers how much could be grown and sold - IT WAS NOT AN OPEN MARKET CROP. It was controlled by the government, thereby controlling the cost and setting the price. If a crop was damaged, the farmer was granted an entitlement, if there was an abundance the farmers were paid to destroy it. This kept the price of tobacco 'affordable' which meant "the people" would be happy.

Of couse now we know about the harm tobacco causes and NOW the government has a 25 year buy out plan. The government pays farmers NOT to grow tobacco, or not to grow as much. The idea is that farmers will be paid for 25 years as they make the necessary shifts, either to the 'open market' or away from growing tobacco. Tobacco farmers in the open market would be competing internationally for markets wanting their product. Tobacco farmers were secure since 1938 because 'home grown' and processed product had a maintained 'price'. It's important to understand the government is not attempting to diminish tobacco use, it is only attempting to get out of the tobacco 'business'. Of course once tobacco is strictly open market, imagine the taxes states and Fed could charge for tobacco products.

It now seems, ever since the buy out plan, that the government and the states have determined it is a good time to tax these products to the hilt. Obviously, the Fed does so in order to help pay for the buy out. (the buy out of government control, which we have nothing to do with) The states do so, under the guise that Federal entitlement for tobacco using medicaid paitents is insufficient.

In other words, both Fed and State are blaming the poeple who smoke for the high cost of tobacco, and for the higher cost of the Federal entitlements. The same entitlements that both SUPPORT tobacco products and blame the smokers for our higher taxes for their tobacco related illness.

It's time, people, to quit supporting the outrage of this political system.

It time to QUIT using tobacco.

It won't make a difference to the Federal entitlement programs, which means it won't make a differnce to the tobacco farmers, which means there wont be a noticable difference in taxation, of any kind, but it will make you healthier and perhaps you will live long enough to fight the battle that reduces the tobacco dependent taxations.

But odds are, the taxes we pay for tobacco related entitlements will just be shifted to a new entitlement program, perhaps for research and medical care for the illnesses caused by obesity!!!!

We are our brothers keeper, WE all bear the cost of ignorance, no matter the form. It is an individuals 'informed' decision to eat healthy, exercise or use tobacco. If you are not informed of the pros and cons, you are proceeding in ignorance. Get informed, and stop making the general public pay for your right to become a burden on society.




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Fri 01/16/09 03:01 PM
Tea Party anyone?? hahaha

adj4u's photo
Fri 01/16/09 05:58 PM




what this surprise you
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what because it does not effect nonsmoker you should ignore the injustice
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they could legalize victim less crime and tax them (drugs n prostitution for example)




I don't think you can label drugs a victimless crime...


why not explain who the victim is plz


The person mugged for cash to pay for the drugs.

The person whose place of business gets broken into.

The person whose home is broken into.

The person who loses their home to fire when the meth lab next door blows up.

Every consumer who pays more for goods because of theft to pay for drugs.



...............................................


To the tax thing. I smoke and see nothing wrong with taxing it.
A: will stop people from starting if it's too expensive
B: less people smoking is less of a drain on medical services
C: those who do, such as myself, less inclined to continue.

For those living in tobacco country...sorry but there are other cash crops less detrimental to the general health of the population.


if they were legal and taxed those victims would not exist

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