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AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Wed 10/27/10 08:29 PM
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun. Of course Teddy's gone so his car can do no more harm. Unfortunately there are many more gun grabbing politicians in his stead with their sites on the guns of honest Americans like myself. I think my Uncle Charlie said it right and I concur; "From my cold dead hands!"

pmarco41 Joined Wed 04/30/08 Posts: 2163	Wed 10/27/10 08:31 PM
Columbine

AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Wed 10/27/10 08:42 PM
Yeah...and what bearing does that event or any other tragedy have on the right of honest people to defend themselves? People kill people. Not guns.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 10/27/10 08:43 PM Edited by msharmony on Wed 10/27/10 08:44 PM
but guns sure make it easier for the dumber weaker ones to do the killing,,, at least the founders had to actually WORK to load and reload between kills, and swords and knives took some type of STRENGtH and EFFORT

pmarco41 Joined Wed 04/30/08 Posts: 2163	Wed 10/27/10 08:50 PM
1981 assasination attempt on President Reagan (hey dont you like love this man?)

pmarco41 Joined Wed 04/30/08 Posts: 2163	Wed 10/27/10 08:52 PM
The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself. It was the deadliest shooting rampage in American history until the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.

AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Wed 10/27/10 08:52 PM
but guns sure make it easier for the dumber weaker ones to do the killing,,, at least the founders had to actually WORK to load and reload between kills, and swords and knives took some type of STRENGtH and EFFORT True and as time goes on and technology advances guns, like many other things get more sophisticated. It's not a happy reality but it is still reality. The biggest gun runs the show. The fact that "the dumber and weaker ones" have access to weapons is at the very base of why I have the right to own them as well. Violent crime per-capita in states that allow the citizenry to carry weapons is a fraction of murder and gun related crime in places like Washington DC. Go figure.

pmarco41 Joined Wed 04/30/08 Posts: 2163	Wed 10/27/10 08:52 PM Edited by pmarco41 on Wed 10/27/10 08:52 PM
The Virginia Tech massacre was a school shooting that took place on Monday, April 16, 2007 on the campus of Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University in Blacksburg, Virginia. In two separate attacks, approximately two hours apart, the perpetrator, Seung-Hui Cho, killed 32 people and wounded many others[1] before committing suicide. The massacre is the deadliest peacetime shooting incident by a single gunman in United States history, on or off a school campus.

pmarco41 Joined Wed 04/30/08 Posts: 2163	Wed 10/27/10 08:54 PM
The San Ysidro McDonald's massacre was a killing spree that occurred on July 18, 1984, in a McDonald's restaurant in the San Ysidro section of San Diego, California. The shootings resulted in 22 deaths (including the perpetrator James Oliver Huberty) and the injuries of 19 others.

pmarco41 Joined Wed 04/30/08 Posts: 2163	Wed 10/27/10 08:55 PM
you know, I could just go on and on...but I think you get the point..your right guns dont kill people... PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE

AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Wed 10/27/10 08:55 PM
The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself. It was the deadliest shooting rampage in American history until the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre. I only wish I (or another citizen with a permit to carry) had been in that cafeteria. I carry a concealed weapon and I know how to use it. I would have ended that tragedy before those innocent lives were taken.

AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Wed 10/27/10 08:56 PM
you know, I could just go on and on...but I think you get the point..your right guns dont kill people... PEOPLE WITH GUNS KILL PEOPLE My point exactly. Thank you for helping me make it.

pmarco41 Joined Wed 04/30/08 Posts: 2163	Wed 10/27/10 08:57 PM
The Luby's massacre was a mass murder that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Jo Hennard drove his pickup truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and shot 23 people to death while wounding another 20, subsequently committing suicide by shooting himself. It was the deadliest shooting rampage in American history until the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre. I only wish I (or another citizen with a permit to carry) had been in that cafeteria. I carry a concealed weapon and I know how to use it. I would have ended that tragedy before those innocent lives were taken. more likely you would have just ended up as another statistic...I just love that cowboy mentality..

damnitscloudy Joined Sat 04/07/07 Posts: 11293	Wed 10/27/10 10:06 PM Edited by damnitscloudy on Wed 10/27/10 10:07 PM
People will always kill people. Before guns there were swords and before swords were clubs. To just blame the item that helped to kill takes away the from the real problem of idiots killing innocent people.

TonkaTruck3 Joined Fri 02/12/10 Posts: 852	Wed 10/27/10 11:19 PM
When some mass killer like the ones pmarco are citing, are out to kill, it would be nice to be armed to be able to stop them, thus saving more lives by taking the one who's doing all the killing. When the Feds come for your guns, give em the bullets first!!

ujGearhead Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 6612	Wed 10/27/10 11:31 PM
In the U.S. during 2004 there were just under 30,ooo people killed by guns with only 40% of them being homocides. The same year, almost 43,000 were killed from cars. Should be get rid of the cars first?

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Thu 10/28/10 05:54 AM
You get rid of guns and you know who still has guns? Criminals. I don't care what you say. Statistically if people were carrying a gun at any of those tragedies their odds of survival would have been higher. You know they have a gun. They don't know you have one. They have many targets and you have one.

ujGearhead Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 6612	Thu 10/28/10 06:03 AM
You get rid of guns and you know who still has guns? Criminals. I don't care what you say. Statistically if people were carrying a gun at any of those tragedies their odds of survival would have been higher. You know they have a gun. They don't know you have one. They have many targets and you have one. Another thing to consider is other countries wanting to attack us. The U.S. Government has P.O.'d a LOT of allies (let alone made a few new foes) during the Bush admin! You want to know why terrorists have to resort to flying planes into buildings? It's cause we have more guns and we know how to use them!

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Thu 10/28/10 06:17 AM
but guns sure make it easier for the dumber weaker ones to do the killing,,, at least the founders had to actually WORK to load and reload between kills, and swords and knives took some type of STRENGtH and EFFORT Doesn't make it right to take gun away from law abiding citizens nor the right to protect yourself....or to take away the right to hunt. Just because there are unstable people in the world.....if we take away the right to bear arms then weonly open up the black market more with less of a chance to trace and catalog weapons.

ujGearhead Joined Wed 10/10/07 Posts: 6612	Thu 10/28/10 06:22 AM Edited by ujGearhead on Thu 10/28/10 06:22 AM
Should aircraft be banned? Think 9-11! 4 'incidents' in a short few hours killed 6000+. Compare that to the number of gun deaths in this country in a whole year.