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Topic: Arizona doesn't want to pay for Illegals education.
willing2's photo
Wed 02/23/11 07:44 AM
Sounds fair. Ask for legal status to enter schools.
We don't have enough resources to care for our own.
Mexico does the same thing. If you ain't legal, out you go.

Arizona Sets Stage For Another Legal Showdown Over Immigration

Posted: 02/22/11 09:37 PM

WASHINGTON -- The lawmaker behind Arizona's infamous bill cracking down on undocumented immigrants has introduced additional anti-immigrant legislation seemingly destined to ignite further controversy and legal challenges.

On Monday, Russell Pearce, Arizona state senate president and the author of SB1070, proposed a bill that would deny children of undocumented immigrants the right to attend K-12 public schools in the state. The measure would turn school administrators into de facto immigration enforcement agents by asking them to turn over families that did not provide citizenship or legal resident papers.

The bill, SB1611, seems bound for challenges over its constitutionality, as it runs up against the Supreme Court's 1982 decision in Plyler v. Doe, which explicitly prohibits states from discriminating against young students for their immigration status.

"They're trying to create tests. This is all aiming for Supreme Court test cases by doing something that is over the constitutional line," Gabriel Chin, a professor at the University of Arizona School of Law, told HuffPost. "The problem is that all of these people have taken an oath to support the constitutions of the United States and Arizona. It's really alarming and astonishing that they would deliberately violate the Constitution in this way."

It's not the first attention-grabbing bill from Pearce, who is reportedly planning a run for the U.S. House of Representatives in 2012. A long-time foe of illegal immigration, the Arizona Republican gained a national spotlight for his work on SB1070, which the Obama administration is fighting in federal court. Pearce is now pushing a number of other anti-immigrant bills, including one to deny citizenship to children born in the United States to illegal immigrant parents.

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/23/11 07:52 AM
I kind of dont get how it happens anyhow. I know the hoops I had to go through to get my son in public school here in Nevada and he is from Ohio. I needed birth certificate AND social security card. I dont know how illegal immigrant children manage unless their parents further break the laws with falsified documents...

willing2's photo
Wed 02/23/11 10:24 AM
Ask your president.
He is well aware of how they do it and, he's not doing anything to get the problem resolved.
He is part of the problem, making it worse by setting up blockades and suing those who would get rid of them.

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/23/11 10:45 AM

Ask your president.
He is well aware of how they do it and, he's not doing anything to get the problem resolved.
He is part of the problem, making it worse by setting up blockades and suing those who would get rid of them.


my son was enrolled before Obama was elected, Im sure it goes much deeper and further back then that...

willing2's photo
Wed 02/23/11 10:58 AM


Ask your president.
He is well aware of how they do it and, he's not doing anything to get the problem resolved.
He is part of the problem, making it worse by setting up blockades and suing those who would get rid of them.


my son was enrolled before Obama was elected, Im sure it goes much deeper and further back then that...

Of course it does.
He's still part of the problem.

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/23/11 11:00 AM



Ask your president.
He is well aware of how they do it and, he's not doing anything to get the problem resolved.
He is part of the problem, making it worse by setting up blockades and suing those who would get rid of them.


my son was enrolled before Obama was elected, Im sure it goes much deeper and further back then that...

Of course it does.
He's still part of the problem.


arent we all,,,

willing2's photo
Wed 02/23/11 11:44 AM




Ask your president.
He is well aware of how they do it and, he's not doing anything to get the problem resolved.
He is part of the problem, making it worse by setting up blockades and suing those who would get rid of them.


my son was enrolled before Obama was elected, Im sure it goes much deeper and further back then that...

Of course it does.
He's still part of the problem.


arent we all,,,

No, I am not.
Oblowme has the power to insist DHS do its job.
Instead, he's telling them to catch and release.
Again, he is part of the problem.
He has the Constitution duty to protect us from Illegal Invasion and he is negligent.

Ladylid2012's photo
Wed 02/23/11 11:50 AM




Ask your president.
He is well aware of how they do it and, he's not doing anything to get the problem resolved.
He is part of the problem, making it worse by setting up blockades and suing those who would get rid of them.


my son was enrolled before Obama was elected, Im sure it goes much deeper and further back then that...

Of course it does.
He's still part of the problem.


arent we all,,,


:thumbsup:

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Wed 02/23/11 11:53 AM


No, those of us in Arizona are trying correct this problem by making this state as hostile towards people criminally entering the country so they don't want to come here. Do it the right way or get hassled!

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/23/11 05:00 PM





Ask your president.
He is well aware of how they do it and, he's not doing anything to get the problem resolved.
He is part of the problem, making it worse by setting up blockades and suing those who would get rid of them.


my son was enrolled before Obama was elected, Im sure it goes much deeper and further back then that...

Of course it does.
He's still part of the problem.


arent we all,,,

No, I am not.
Oblowme has the power to insist DHS do its job.
Instead, he's telling them to catch and release.
Again, he is part of the problem.
He has the Constitution duty to protect us from Illegal Invasion and he is negligent.



lol, and how does he go about INSISTING, what legal power does he have in his presidential authority to make sure it gets done, all on his own,,,??

it takes a government, not just a president INSISTING on things, they are not dictators

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/23/11 05:01 PM



No, those of us in Arizona are trying correct this problem by making this state as hostile towards people criminally entering the country so they don't want to come here. Do it the right way or get hassled!



the right way is not to put more responsibility upon pollice which DIMINISHES their attention to present and dangerous crimes in their community that they are expected to be PROTECTING the citizens from


let the feds do their job, the answer isnt adding to the already authoritarian state of the police

KerryO's photo
Wed 02/23/11 05:49 PM



No, those of us in Arizona are trying correct this problem by making this state as hostile towards people criminally entering the country so they don't want to come here. Do it the right way or get hassled!


Does that include not hiring people without green cards? Shouldn't that be criminal, too? Especially when the person or corp who's doing the hiring KNOWS that they are hiring illegals but doesn't care because they are getting ultra-cheap labor that often the taxpayer has to pick up the tab for when their children go to school or they get sick.

I hear over in Texas, this has been known to happen a time or two....

-Kerry O.

willing2's photo
Wed 02/23/11 06:49 PM




No, those of us in Arizona are trying correct this problem by making this state as hostile towards people criminally entering the country so they don't want to come here. Do it the right way or get hassled!



the right way is not to put more responsibility upon pollice which DIMINISHES their attention to present and dangerous crimes in their community that they are expected to be PROTECTING the citizens from


let the feds do their job, the answer isnt adding to the already authoritarian state of the police

That there is the problem. The FEDs aren't doing their job.
Oblowme made it real clear, right from the get-go.
He invites them to stay.

s1owhand's photo
Wed 02/23/11 06:54 PM
I object to the term "immigrant" in this article being applied to illegal aliens.

willing2's photo
Wed 02/23/11 07:01 PM

I object to the term "immigrant" in this article being applied to illegal aliens.
drinker
I agree.
To refer to them as Immigrants slanders the ones who took the Legal route.

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/23/11 07:04 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 02/23/11 07:05 PM
The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens

willing2's photo
Wed 02/23/11 07:19 PM
Hussein appointed the director of DHS.
If he doesn't fulfill his Constitutional obligation, he should be fired.

msharmony's photo
Wed 02/23/11 07:22 PM
bla bla bla

good luck finding the specific requirements that he isnt fulfilling personally,,,

metalwing's photo
Wed 02/23/11 07:34 PM

bla bla bla

good luck finding the specific requirements that he isnt fulfilling personally,,,


You wouldn't have to look very far. The Executive Branch has the duty in the constitution to execute the laws of the United States and the president is the chief executive officer.

He took an oath to uphold the laws of the United States in order to become president.

s1owhand's photo
Thu 02/24/11 12:35 AM

The main legislation governing immigration is the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, (INA). The act hads been amended numerous times, the most significant of which was the establishment of a new quota system in 1965. For INA purposes, an "alien" is any person who is not a citizen or a national of the United States. There are different categories of aliens: resident and nonresident, immigrant and nonimmigrant, documented and undocumented ("illegal" ).

http://definitions.uslegal.com/i/immigration/


I guess techinically, they would be of the class of illegal(undocumented) immigrant aliens


they do not qualify as immigrants unless they are in the process of immigration - and they aren't if they are undocumented illegally.

they are non-immigrants because their lack of documents is unacceptable.

they cannot be coming to live here permanently without application.

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