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Topic: Was Hitler Gay?
Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 04:39 PM
One of history’s most intolerant men, Adolf Hitler, tolerated homosexuality within the Nazi ranks. This contradiction continues to confound today’s tabloid culture. As a result of Hitler’s personal tolerance of gays, some have suggested that the Nazi leader was a homosexual. However, the historical evidence is scant and flimsy at best. In fact, all evidence indicates he was heterosexual. Hitler had at least two real girlfriends and there are stories of his infatuation with at least one other woman. Most likely, the homosexual theory came about as a result of his bizarre personality combined with his opponents' political desire to destroy the Nazi leader.

As a youth, Adolf Hitler became obsessed with a young Jewish girl. He never had the nerve to approach Stefanie Isak, preferring to admire her from afar. According to Hitler’s former roommate, the teenager contemplated kidnapping Isak and even considered suicide over his crush. The unhealthy obsession lasted four years before it finally burned itself out. On a side note, the sixteen-year-old Hitler did not care that she was Jewish.


In 1925, the thirty-six-year-old Hitler began an actual relationship. Geli Raubal was 17 years old at the time and Hitler’s niece. He was a domineering boyfriend and limited her access to friends. Additionally, Raubal needed a chaperone at all times regardless of the activity. At one point, he fired his chauffer over rumors of an affair with his niece. Naturally, Raubal grew resentful of the suffocating nature of their relationship. On top of this, she did not share his feelings.

As Hitler's stature grew, the Nazi leadership grew leery of his relationship with Geli Raubal. After all, she was his niece and Hitler’s secretive nature led to speculation over the exact nature of the association. She died in 1931 from a gunshot wound to the chest following an argument with her uncle. Officially, the death was ruled a suicide, but rumors persisted. Some believed Hitler murdered her for infidelity while others thought the Nazi Party eliminated a potentially embarrassing loose end.

Hitler changed following Raubal’s death. By all accounts, the death devastated him and he grew more distant and dictatorial. Once again, he contemplated suicide over a woman. He never went through with the suicide, but did keep her picture in his bedroom. Some of his intimates claim the death turned Hitler from just another extremist on the German political scene to a genocidal madman. Either way, Hitler’s political fortunes enjoyed an upturn as the global economy experienced a downturn.

As the Nazis began experiencing electoral success, Hitler publicly divorced himself from personal attachments and married himself to the state. While dating his niece, he entered into relationships with Erna Hanfstaengl and Eva Braun. Braun met Hitler in 1929 and was smitten. The two began dating in 1931 when she was just 19. The relationship lasted until their deaths in 1945. Hitler kept the affair secret because of the image he created for the public. Hitler belonged to Germany and not any single person. Once the reality of defeat struck Germany’s Fuehrer, he agreed to marry Braun.

Despite Hitler’s marriage, long term relationships with Eva Braun and Geli Raubal, and other evidence, some question his sexuality. They argue he was actually a closet homosexual and initiated purges to hide this from the public. He tolerated homosexuality within the Nazi ranks and only persecuted those he wished to dispose of. Despite his apparent tolerance, his government openly persecuted gays. They forced homosexuals to wear pink triangle patches on their clothes and many were sent to concentration camps. Some believe he allowed the persecution to hide his own orientation. In reality, he probably did not care one way or another unless they were Jewish or Slavic.

The evidence for Hitler’s homosexuality comes from alleged eyewitness accounts. During World War I, Hitler was a loner that only bonded with a battlefield dog. On top of this, Hitler was an artist and many soldiers in 1914 would have questioned the manliness of such an activity. In response, his fellow soldiers joked about his sexuality. This adolescent behavior is typical male bonding and continues to this day. It is also human nature to attack the outsider.

The rest of the evidence is sketchy and appears to be an attempt to politically smear Hitler. Germany was extremely homophobic and accusations of homosexuality could have destroyed his career. Hitler used charges of homosexuality himself to eliminate opponents including the S.A. leadership that threatened to overthrow him. Essentially, the use of the gay card was a dramatic extension of the adolescent behavior of soldiers in the trenches.

Modern attempts to label Hitler as a gay man may also be attempts to discredit him through feminization. Despite the revolution in thought and tolerance regarding homosexuals, there is still an undercurrent that stereotypes gay men as something unmanly. Following 911, rumors swirled that Osama bin Laden listened to Whitney Houston music. The implication was clear that bin Laden was homosexual and less than male. The attempt to define Hitler as a gay man might very well be a similar attempt to define him negatively.

There is little real evidence to substantiate rumors of Hitler’s homosexuality. Most likely, the charges were politically motivated and remain so today. There is no substantive evidence that Hitler was a gay man. Instead, the evidence points in the other direction. He liked women and enjoyed their company. As a teen, he obsessed over Stefanie Isak. During the 1920s, he dated Geli Raubal and other women. Afterward, he enjoyed a 14-year relationship with Eva Braun. As a result, Adolf Hitler was not homosexual, but an albeit strange, heterosexual. 

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I personally don't think he was. He may have been a lot of things but I doubt he was gay. Hell, any guy that was with Eva couldn't be gay, she was gorgeous.

The guy was definately a madman, murder and pure psychopath but I think there is a lot more to him then anyone ever saw.

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Wed 08/31/11 04:41 PM


I don't think Hitler was a bad guy, he was just misunderstood and had serious mommy issues.

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 04:42 PM



I don't think Hitler was a bad guy, he was just misunderstood and had serious mommy issues.


The guy was bad, anyone who would order the extermination of millions of people based on religion, race, political differances and amusement is pure evil.

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 04:43 PM
He definately had mommy issues being his mom was half Jewish.........

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 04:46 PM
If you think about it, Obama is pretty close to Hitler on ideology. Now that is scary.

DARKNESSFALLS23's photo
Wed 08/31/11 05:41 PM
Hey hitler was a ? His boyfriend starlin was a t? Id hate to say anymore be the worse cuss in history

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/31/11 06:03 PM

If you think about it, Obama is pretty close to Hitler on ideology. Now that is scary.



what part of obamas 'ideology' is close to Hitler,, thats not scary, that plain ignorant,,,,

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/31/11 06:04 PM
and, in this day and age, I dont think people really care who he slept with or that he could be 'smeared' by that choice.

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 06:54 PM

Hey hitler was a ? His boyfriend starlin was a t? Id hate to say anymore be the worse cuss in history


Huh?

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 06:58 PM


If you think about it, Obama is pretty close to Hitler on ideology. Now that is scary.



what part of obamas 'ideology' is close to Hitler,, thats not scary, that plain ignorant,,,,


Let's see, both are antisemitic, want an absolute dictatorship, lacked experience and leadership(all though atleast Hitler had military experience), Facist, want the government to pay for EVERYTHING and control EVERYTHING, hate everyone except for their own race. I can keep going...........

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 06:59 PM

and, in this day and age, I dont think people really care who he slept with or that he could be 'smeared' by that choice.


Ummmmm, it would still be a major blow to the Neo-Nazi movement and Hitler's image since it was something he publically was against.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/31/11 07:06 PM



If you think about it, Obama is pretty close to Hitler on ideology. Now that is scary.



what part of obamas 'ideology' is close to Hitler,, thats not scary, that plain ignorant,,,,


Let's see, both are antisemitic, want an absolute dictatorship, lacked experience and leadership(all though atleast Hitler had military experience), Facist, want the government to pay for EVERYTHING and control EVERYTHING, hate everyone except for their own race. I can keep going...........


what proof is there that OBama is anti semitic?
or that he wants 'absolute' dictatorship?
or that he 'hates' anyone
or that he is 'fascist'
or wants the government paying for and controlling 'everything'

alot of empty accusations, how does one feel secure in posting such drivel?

you can keep going with lies,, but it would be sad to do so

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:26 PM
Edited by Lpdon on Wed 08/31/11 08:28 PM




If you think about it, Obama is pretty close to Hitler on ideology. Now that is scary.



what part of obamas 'ideology' is close to Hitler,, thats not scary, that plain ignorant,,,,


Let's see, both are antisemitic, want an absolute dictatorship, lacked experience and leadership(all though atleast Hitler had military experience), Facist, want the government to pay for EVERYTHING and control EVERYTHING, hate everyone except for their own race. I can keep going...........


what proof is there that OBama is anti semitic?
or that he wants 'absolute' dictatorship?
or that he 'hates' anyone
or that he is 'fascist'
or wants the government paying for and controlling 'everything'

alot of empty accusations, how does one feel secure in posting such drivel?

you can keep going with lies,, but it would be sad to do so


Lies? Hmmmmmm, look how he has constantly screwed over and alienated our biggest ally in the Middle East, Israel.

Dictator ship *Cough* More Czars then any President in history and refused to have them approved by the Senate *Cough*

Fuhrer Obama want's a dictatorship and thinks he and his family is above the law and is do as I say not as I do. *Cough* Fast and Furious *Cough*

Every policy he has passed has shows he is a facist and wants the government to pay for everything *Cough* Obamacare *Cough*

Your blindly supporting your Fuhrer and it isn't because of his policies(which are crap), his party(which is a bunch of idiotic socialists) or his personality. There is only one reason you support him and it is very obvious to EVERY member here.

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgpVQvqD1vQ

More evidence of Obama's hate right here(From a famous Democrat and former Obama supporter).

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:35 PM
the concept of 'proof' is elusive in thie discussion apparently...

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxllLkYwrAI&feature=related

Awesome video and Michelle Obama finally called out for her hatred.

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:48 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxllLkYwrAI&feature=related

Hey Michelle, I guess a white person cant get shot going to the gas station? slaphead

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:48 PM

the concept of 'proof' is elusive in thie discussion apparently...



In any of your discussions where you just blindly defend your Fuhrer.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:52 PM
Leave the personal attacks off of the forums

Kim

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/31/11 08:52 PM





If you think about it, Obama is pretty close to Hitler on ideology. Now that is scary.



what part of obamas 'ideology' is close to Hitler,, thats not scary, that plain ignorant,,,,


Let's see, both are antisemitic, want an absolute dictatorship, lacked experience and leadership(all though atleast Hitler had military experience), Facist, want the government to pay for EVERYTHING and control EVERYTHING, hate everyone except for their own race. I can keep going...........


what proof is there that OBama is anti semitic?
or that he wants 'absolute' dictatorship?
or that he 'hates' anyone
or that he is 'fascist'
or wants the government paying for and controlling 'everything'

alot of empty accusations, how does one feel secure in posting such drivel?

you can keep going with lies,, but it would be sad to do so


Lies? Hmmmmmm, look how he has constantly screwed over and alienated our biggest ally in the Middle East, Israel.

Dictator ship *Cough* More Czars then any President in history and refused to have them approved by the Senate *Cough*

Fuhrer Obama want's a dictatorship and thinks he and his family is above the law and is do as I say not as I do. *Cough* Fast and Furious *Cough*

Every policy he has passed has shows he is a facist and wants the government to pay for everything *Cough* Obamacare *Cough*

Your blindly supporting your Fuhrer and it isn't because of his policies(which are crap), his party(which is a bunch of idiotic socialists) or his personality. There is only one reason you support him and it is very obvious to EVERY member here.


1.0I have no idea how he has 'screwed over' Israel

2.CZAR is a term used by media that is not an official job title, many of which are RETAINED from the previous administration and many who are appointed and CONFIRMED by senate(Im not sure where you get your information)

crushing the idea of dictatorship

3. This statement
'Fuhrer Obama want's a dictatorship and thinks he and his family is above the law and is do as I say not as I do. *Cough* Fast and Furious *Cough*

is completely fallacious and unsustainable and unverifiable,,,mere opinion pulled out of the air

4. lol, Every policy he has passed hasnt had to do with spending, so thats another fallacious statement coming from emotionalism instead of fact


I support Obama because I support his positions on 1)education 2)international policy 3)healthcare

I support Obama because he sets a great example(in my opinion) of levelheaded leadership and class and intelligence

I support his personality too, he appears to be a strong family man with strong family values and a desire to see communities across the board do better and not just one class continue to flourish while everyone else falls off the map,,,


Im sure what is 'obvious' to some seems that way for their own 'obvious' reasons. Same way that I can list five out of six people I Want to meet and because five are black it seems 'obvious' that I Must be 'black power'

honestly, Im probably as well educated as most other minglers and can come to just as educated and logical conclusions and decisions as they can,,,laugh

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