Topic: About Ron Paul
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 12/13/11 05:29 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 12/13/11 05:30 AM

Ron Paul wants to abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps, welfare, public education, the post office, public parks, public streets, highways, the EPA, OSHA, USDA, FDA, etc. He wants the government to ONLY do the military. He wants all else privatized and that will cost us more. He also wants deregulation of all industries. He is against government regulation of any kind. Paul has said more than once he believes the Civil Rights Act is unconstitutional. The USA would quickly become a third world country if he had his way.

I respect Ron Paul for taking a stand like this but I believe his policies would ruin the U.S.

He's also 76 years old.


Hi Winx

Might I suggest a visit to the RP site to view his policies and thinking along these lines? Your statements are "fragmented particles" of his ACTUAL PLANS TO RESTORE AMERICA, NOT RUIN IT!

The banksters have wrested power from the people thru lobbying and corruption. The policies in place for the agencies he wishes to dismantle have been at the root of our finacial difficulties.

He wants to "prop up" SS and medicaid/medicare for those who rely on it, allowing young people to "opt out" of it.

He wants to reduce the "welfare state" by easing gov't regulations and involvement, cutting their strangle hold on small business (the backbone of our nation) to create jobs and prosper.

Education as well. There has been so many regulations for struggling schools to receive funds that the quality and caring has gone out of education, with a large percentage of students graduating unable to even read or do simple math! No child left behind.... just NO JOBS for them when they graduate without nessessary skills... but then they are adults, so on to welfare or unemployment they go!

On taxes, if you cut the need for them, reduce the out of control spending, the wars, the FED (That profits by loaning us our own money), Foreign Aid, the war on drugs that has NEVER worked and creates the border and gang violence in our country, there's plenty of money to support the programs that actually benefit the people, AND NOT THE BANKERS/WALL STREET/GOV'T!

Visit the RP site, ask your concerns in the forums or actually email them to the campaign..... I think you will find your concerns are not as you think them to be.

flowerforyou

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Tue 12/13/11 05:54 AM

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Ron Paul......Old school, rigid, black and white thinker, foreign policy jeopardizes national security, against free trade (isolationist), has a "one" man show mentality, takes small government concept to the breaking point (consider his statement on believing states should have the right to nullify federal law if for no other reason than they "just don't like it"), is way too old (currently 76 would mean he would turn 78 during his first year in the White House) ....

At this point, the only opposition/competition Obama will face is a democratic challenger...

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 12/13/11 07:01 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Tue 12/13/11 07:10 AM


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Ron Paul......Old school, rigid, black and white thinker, foreign policy jeopardizes national security, against free trade (isolationist), has a "one" man show mentality, takes small government concept to the breaking point (consider his statement on believing states should have the right to nullify federal law if for no other reason than they "just don't like it"), is way too old (currently 76 would mean he would turn 78 during his first year in the White House) ....

At this point, the only opposition/competition Obama will face is a democratic challenger...


So he's 76.... do we start taking older people and execute them to save medicare or SS expenses? What's your point? Do we ignore our grandparents or elders wisdom because they are old? I think NOT!

Most people (due to our gov't policies, economy) are having to work past retirement age now due to their nest eggs being stolen or devalued by the FED and it's printing presses!

He's still the sharpest tack in the box!

He wants to "LIMIT" the role of the Fed Gov't to constitutional standards, return the powers of the individual states that has been usurped by the Fed Gov't..... NOT give the power to the states, but return the ones they are supposed to have!

Since when is the Constitution NOT the document ALL leaders are sworn to protect and defend?

RP is an "Interventionist" NOT an isolationist!

Our foreign policy is good for the dictators, NOT THEIR PEOPLE, OR OURS!

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Tue 12/13/11 07:18 AM



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Ron Paul......Old school, rigid, black and white thinker, foreign policy jeopardizes national security, against free trade (isolationist), has a "one" man show mentality, takes small government concept to the breaking point (consider his statement on believing states should have the right to nullify federal law if for no other reason than they "just don't like it"), is way too old (currently 76 would mean he would turn 78 during his first year in the White House) ....

At this point, the only opposition/competition Obama will face is a democratic challenger...


So he's 76.... do we start taking older people and execute them to save medicare or SS expenses? What's your point? Do we ignore our grandparents or elders wisdom because they are old? I think NOT!

Most people (due to our gov't policies, economy) are having to work past retirement age now due to their nest eggs being stolen or devalued by the FED and it's printing presses!

He's still the sharpest tack in the box!

He wants to "LIMIT" the role of the Fed Gov't to constitutional standards, return the powers of the individual states that has been usurped by the Fed Gov't..... NOT give the power to the states, but return the ones they are supposed to have!

Since when is the Constitution NOT the document ALL leaders are sworn to protect and defend?

RP is an "Interventionist" NOT an isolationist!

Our foreign policy is good for the dictators, NOT THEIR PEOPLE, OR OURS!


You have your opin, I have mine.....And, IMO, your statement about elders is way out of bounds...

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Tue 12/13/11 08:46 AM


Those are the kinds of principles someone running for this office should have! Not flip flopping to please voters, a person who sticks by their guns!



sticking to your guns is only admirable if you are right though,,,,


So what specifically is wrong and why?

adj4u's photo
Tue 12/13/11 02:01 PM
what is kinda ironic is how all the policians talk about entitlement programs...

well fdic (which is your social security tax) the i stands for insurance..

the last two years those on social security (a paid for retirement and disabilty insurance program) did not get a cost of living increase

but the former presidents did get their cost of living increases and if i was a betting person i would bet that those retired from the congress did as well

now those are the entitlements that should be cut

why is it they can get increases when those that have paid for their insurance programs dont

but hey what do i know

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 12/13/11 03:20 PM


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Ron Paul......Old school, rigid, black and white thinker, foreign policy jeopardizes national security, against free trade (isolationist), has a "one" man show mentality, takes small government concept to the breaking point (consider his statement on believing states should have the right to nullify federal law if for no other reason than they "just don't like it"), is way too old (currently 76 would mean he would turn 78 during his first year in the White House) ....

**At this point, the only opposition/competition Obama will face is a democratic challenger...



I agree with Paul, especially on his view of the stranglehold the feds have on states.

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 12/13/11 03:24 PM

what is kinda ironic is how all the policians talk about entitlement programs...

well fdic (which is your social security tax) the i stands for insurance..

the last two years those on social security (a paid for retirement and disabilty insurance program) did not get a cost of living increase

but the former presidents did get their cost of living increases and if i was a betting person i would bet that those retired from the congress did as well

now those are the entitlements that should be cut

why is it they can get increases when those that have paid for their insurance programs dont

but hey what do i know


FDIC is SS tax? I am under the impression it is the Federal governments insurance policy to protect depositors at banks and credit unions in case the banks go bankrupt the FDIC kicks in and reimburses the depositors for every cent they had in the bank. and had nothing to do with SS.

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Tue 12/13/11 03:33 PM


what is kinda ironic is how all the policians talk about entitlement programs...

well fdic (which is your social security tax) the i stands for insurance..

the last two years those on social security (a paid for retirement and disabilty insurance program) did not get a cost of living increase

but the former presidents did get their cost of living increases and if i was a betting person i would bet that those retired from the congress did as well

now those are the entitlements that should be cut

why is it they can get increases when those that have paid for their insurance programs dont

but hey what do i know


FDIC is SS tax? I am under the impression it is the Federal governments insurance policy to protect depositors at banks and credit unions in case the banks go bankrupt the FDIC kicks in and reimburses the depositors for every cent they had in the bank. and had nothing to do with SS.


I think he meant fica...Federal Insurance Contribution Act...down boy...:laughing: :laughing:

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Tue 12/13/11 04:30 PM






FDIC is SS tax? I am under the impression it is the Federal governments insurance policy to protect depositors at banks and credit unions in case the banks go bankrupt the FDIC kicks in and reimburses the depositors for every cent they had in the bank. and had nothing to do with SS.


I think he meant fica...Federal Insurance Contribution Act...down boy...:laughing: :laughing:


That would make sense LOL

heavenlyboy34's photo
Tue 12/13/11 06:09 PM


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Ron Paul......Old school, rigid, black and white thinker, foreign policy jeopardizes national security, against free trade (isolationist), has a "one" man show mentality, takes small government concept to the breaking point (consider his statement on believing states should have the right to nullify federal law if for no other reason than they "just don't like it"), is way too old (currently 76 would mean he would turn 78 during his first year in the White House) ....

At this point, the only opposition/competition Obama will face is a democratic challenger...

:rolleyes: RP is in better health than most people half his age in this country. He's roughly the same age Reagan was when he was elected, and Ron is in much better shape-mentally and physically. He just wrote a new book last year.

MariahsFantasy's photo
Wed 12/14/11 07:35 PM
My vote is certainly in. Everybody else is status quo.

Peccy's photo
Wed 12/14/11 07:44 PM
There is NO other choice! Someone else means the same s#i% we've had since the 70's! It's just more blatant now!!!!!!

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Wed 12/14/11 07:47 PM
Though I don't fully support him myself, I'm delighted that so many people support Ron Paul. There is a lot of grass-roots buzz about him and his views.

The president is limited in how much reform he can bring. What we really need is change in our congress.

It would be nice if all that pro-RP buzz translated into more votes for congresspeople that support some of the same values.

Peccy's photo
Wed 12/14/11 07:58 PM
Like every candidate, he has his idiosyncrasies, a few views I don't agree with.............but he definitely has a lot of views I agree with. The best thing is that he is driven to bring the USA back to what it was before it was in debt up to it's a&&!

actionlynx's photo
Wed 12/14/11 10:36 PM
Based on a number of Ron Paul interviews I saw months ago, he's as big of a whack job as Rick Perry. The difference is that Paul has done a better job of keeping his odd side from coming out in the popular media. It only shows up in smaller audience programming that caters to a specific demographic groups.

So, either he is sucking up to gain their votes, or he has some strange things going on inside his head. I wish I had some links to provide, but I don't remember the websites anymore. I might have come across a couple on YouTube while others were on a cable network.

Rick Perry and Herman Cain have provided enough media fodder that anything odd that Paul said would very easily be overlooked.

I predict that Gingrich wins the nomination....and I have never liked Newt. I've never taken Romney seriously because he seems to lack an endgame. John Kerry had that same problem for 15 years before winning a nomination.

I further predict that the East Coast and the Great Lakes region will be what costs Ron Paul the nomination.

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Thu 12/15/11 08:00 PM
Honestly, what kind of dirt do the mainstream media have on Paul except reiterating he can't win over and over? All the other candidates in the assembly line are filled with skeletons. Paul is not perfect by any means but he surely has no ill scandals surfacing in his long political background. That amounts to trust and he is surely more trustworthy than any of those guys talking rhetoric.

What I love more than anything are the other candidates now trying to sound like him just to sway and confuse the public once again. Because more and more the public is starting to see and figure out the REAL issues and Paul is the one with true solutions to each. Look at the records, its gargantuan proof of so many conspiracies regarding Paul.

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Thu 12/15/11 08:21 PM
Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Thu 12/15/11 08:23 PM


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Ron Paul......Old school, rigid, black and white thinker, foreign policy jeopardizes national security, against free trade (isolationist), has a "one" man show mentality, takes small government concept to the breaking point (consider his statement on believing states should have the right to nullify federal law if for no other reason than they "just don't like it"), is way too old (currently 76 would mean he would turn 78 during his first year in the White House) ....

At this point, the only opposition/competition Obama will face is a democratic challenger...

Incorrect on all counts. Read his books and you'll understand why his thinking is not "black and white". Actually, try reading ANYTHING he's written. You clearly are just regurgitating misinformation spread around by the blowhard Rush Limbaughs of the world. You can read a library of Ron's articles here: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/#art2 and most of his books free here: http://mises.org/literature.aspx?action=author&Id=392 The books not free here are readily available on Amazon.

BTW, Ron is younger than Reagan was when first elected-and RP is many times more fit and mentally acute.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Thu 12/15/11 08:29 PM

Based on a number of Ron Paul interviews I saw months ago, he's as big of a whack job as Rick Perry. The difference is that Paul has done a better job of keeping his odd side from coming out in the popular media. It only shows up in smaller audience programming that caters to a specific demographic groups.

slaphead The man spent 10 terms in congress. There's nothing "odd" about him. The "whack job" comment is just a cop-out. His policies are thoroughly constitutional and the most rational in recent history. Take a bit of time to learn something about him aside from what you hear in sound bytes and corporate media.

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Fri 12/16/11 12:37 AM
Edited by actionlynx on Fri 12/16/11 12:39 AM
He has hinted several times that he believes in a number of conspiracy theories. And yet, he has done nothing to explain why a man in his position would believe in such notions. He has commented on FEMA camps and on the possibility that there may be no gold in Fort Knox. Both times, his comments were slightly favorable of the conspiracy theories. There have been a few others he has commented on, but I would have to do some digging to find them again.

So my question towards Ron Paul is: does he have reason to believe such rumors may be true based on his government tenure, or is he jerking the chain of conspiracy believers just to garner their votes?

If the latter, shame on him. He's just being another typical politician, telling a crowd what they want to hear. Meanwhile, no one's picking up on it.

If the former, then he should blow the whistle if he has inside knowledge.

I think he's just playing the crowd, which means he's just as phony as the rest. His campaign isn't just based on ideas. It's based on integrity rather than charisma. Once the cracks begin to show within his integrity, his campaign will slowly die. That's because many of his followers will feel misled and betrayed. Ideas only carry you so far once people begin to believe you are insincere.

Furthermore, I believe Newt Gingrich is the exact type of candidate that will play this card once it comes down to him and Ron Paul (which I think it will by the end of the primaries). The man regarded as a hero has further to fall than the one who is not. I personally view Gingrich as more of an anti-hero, which makes him that much more likely to be the one to attack Paul's integrity. When that attack comes, it will likely hit hardest in the more densely populated regions of the country - areas where Republicans typically need to win over independents in order to win. Gingrich is the type of guy who would know this as well. The more "backwater" or "eccentric" that Gingrich can make Ron Paul appear, the more success he will have in urban regions.

And sadly, that's how politics works in our country.

I like many of Paul's ideas, but I'm not convinced he can win. I'm not even convinced that I want him to win. But I do think it would better if someone like Ron Paul won rather than much of what we've had. Then again, people thought the same of Jimmy Carter too. So that doesn't necessarily mean anything.

So I want to know if Ron Paul is sincere or not. He pretty much has to be in order to win, even if Gingrich brands him as a kook. And if he wins but is not sincere, then all his ideas mean absolutely nothing. They were only empty promises used to gather votes. It's a fine line Ron Paul has to walk with where he has set himself.