Topic: Do We Still Have A Constitution?
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 06/28/12 01:09 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C27FFe2O5AA&feature=youtu.be

metalwing's photo
Thu 06/28/12 05:51 PM
What if the subjects he brought up .... were already true?

willing2's photo
Thu 06/28/12 06:07 PM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 06/28/12 06:22 PM
Wowzer! So true.

Adding to your thunder.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ptHQu68MdMs#!

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/28/12 09:17 PM
what if we never moved past our laws where we were in the 1700s when the constitution was originally drafted for 13 colonies and there were not yet telephones, tvs, or internet or the mass media that now can take information GLOBAL in a matter of seconds,,,,

or uzis that can take out dozens with a minimal effort of a pinky

or drugs that had more side affects than symptoms they cured


times evolved and with it the necessities and precautions required


and those 'founding fathers' made sure the constitution could LIVE and EVOLVE With people,,,



Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 06/28/12 09:21 PM

what if we never moved past our laws where we were in the 1700s when the constitution was originally drafted for 13 colonies and there were not yet telephones, tvs, or internet or the mass media that now can take information GLOBAL in a matter of seconds,,,,

or uzis that can take out dozens with a minimal effort of a pinky

or drugs that had more side affects than symptoms they cured


times evolved and with it the necessities and precautions required


and those 'founding fathers' made sure the constitution could LIVE and EVOLVE With people,,,


And at what point was the corruption option written into it?

Seems funny they would create such a document as you say, warn of the corruption of govt, write it for the protection of "we the people", and make you think it is ok for the govt they warn us about to change it?

msharmony's photo
Thu 06/28/12 09:23 PM


what if we never moved past our laws where we were in the 1700s when the constitution was originally drafted for 13 colonies and there were not yet telephones, tvs, or internet or the mass media that now can take information GLOBAL in a matter of seconds,,,,

or uzis that can take out dozens with a minimal effort of a pinky

or drugs that had more side affects than symptoms they cured


times evolved and with it the necessities and precautions required


and those 'founding fathers' made sure the constitution could LIVE and EVOLVE With people,,,


And at what point was the corruption option written into it?

Seems funny they would create such a document as you say, warn of the corruption of govt, write it for the protection of "we the people", and make you think it is ok for the govt they warn us about to change it?



not funny, considering the electoral/representative government and the majority decisions required amongst several hundred politicians before such a thing can happen,,,

no photo
Thu 06/28/12 10:16 PM
"Do We Still Have A Constitution? "

Of course we do! What a silly question. It's a living, breathing document and our law makers are allowed to reinterpret it at a whim.

boredinaz06's photo
Thu 06/28/12 11:28 PM





We have a constitution and we also have a supreme court full of yayhoos who are not constitutional scholars which should be mandatory for anyone being considered for the appointment.

oldhippie1952's photo
Fri 06/29/12 01:37 AM
I think the problem is we have too many lawyers writing too many laws it takes a lawyer to understand, sort of understand, that is.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 01:48 AM
28 of the 54 signatures of the declaration of independence were lawyers


in 2009, 54 out of 100 members of congress were lawyers


,,,occupational status isnt changing much really,,,

oldhippie1952's photo
Fri 06/29/12 01:51 AM
You make it sound like lawyers got stupider! Compare prose from the original writers to nowadays "prose." Original very compact and to the point. Today, very obtuse at best.grumble

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 02:10 AM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/29/12 02:12 AM

You make it sound like lawyers got stupider! Compare prose from the original writers to nowadays "prose." Original very compact and to the point. Today, very obtuse at best.grumble



I think the other option is that citizens started reading and learning LESS While lawyers continued to do both more,,,,

26 of the 40 who signed the constitution also had backgrounds in law

there is just more of a divide in education than there was then,,,

and we also look with hindsight, could be people living in the time felt as lost with the wording as we do with the current wording of laws,,,

oldhippie1952's photo
Fri 06/29/12 02:21 AM
I concede the point that perhaps more people were illiterate back then.

But I still feel the ones writing laws today do so in so much legal "mumbo-jumbo" it is hard to get to the point of what the law is about.

I think people today are reading less and learning less, at least in the USA. Our abysmal scores in world-wide competition for math and science are reflections of that, to me.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 09:09 AM

I concede the point that perhaps more people were illiterate back then.

But I still feel the ones writing laws today do so in so much legal "mumbo-jumbo" it is hard to get to the point of what the law is about.

I think people today are reading less and learning less, at least in the USA. Our abysmal scores in world-wide competition for math and science are reflections of that, to me.


I agree, I think technology took alot of the significance or the basics away , writing and spelling were the first to diminish and soon math followed, school seems often to just be a place for kids to create social clicks and be exposed to the world instead of a place to learn how to use their brains,,,,,I have to send mine to private or charter (thanks to a very loving and generous doctor) and stay on top of the lessons just to make sure she will not lose her ability to create or use logic or adapt to her environment,,,,


its scary almost,,,

oldhippie1952's photo
Fri 06/29/12 10:11 AM
Back on topic.

The constitution is alive and well. It is a "living" document that adapts to the times. Some "times" I don't like it, other "times" I do.

msharmony's photo
Fri 06/29/12 11:11 AM

Back on topic.

The constitution is alive and well. It is a "living" document that adapts to the times. Some "times" I don't like it, other "times" I do.



well stated

there is so much I dont LIKE about where the entire culture is headed, but I equally understand its a price being paid for those 'freedoms' that supposedly define the culture

freedom to be vulgar
freedom to be promiscuous
freedom to be ignorant
freedom to bash beliefs
freedom to bully

I am not so clear sometimes on whether the freedoms are worth what we lost,, but thats the nature of the difficulty of finding balance