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Topic: America's future is NOT Mad Max
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Fri 08/03/12 08:30 PM
America's future is bright. Yes certainly a whopping Depression is at the doorstep, but our future is certainly NOT Mad Max either. I promise you, it will be bright, beautiful, and gloriously free country again, betterin fact, than it ever was.
For those of us who think it will be, we need to read all we can about the beforeand after of crises in Argentina 2001. Life goes on. Certainly it goes on in a new way, a much tougherway for sure, but its not a Black n White thing with no grey areas.
Life in the Grey Zone,that is what we will have. Life in the Grey. Sure there is to be bouts of vandals, police state crackdowns, shortages, military curfew areas.... but that is not the worst of it, that is not the real danger to freedom in America. Sure, life will go on, people will adjust, people will downsize, cut back, trade in cars for mopeds and scooters, home growveggies, and figure out other power sources. Yes we Americans will rise above this. We will overcome this because we know how life can and should be.
So just what is the"real danger" to us, ifnot that? Its the stories we hold in our minds as true, the stories we hold that are false. The story that was spun and accepted in 1929---from pool halls to the halls of academia---was that Capitalism had failed.Not true! Government had failed. With that one Assumption unchallenged, we have suffered each year more and more government "help".
Think about that. Then realize that today, Government has Failed AGAIN. Government is the one Bankrupt, not 98% of us. Government cannot save anyone, but we sure can. Govt causedthe Credit Bubble, caused the those of us in the real estate market to get the wrong price signals, cause mal investment, and caused our bad investments. But GOVERNMENT Failed.
This is the simple truth, GOVERNMENT FAILED.
As much as we struggle, we must Make that one Message Clear, GOVERNMENT FAILED. Government BOTH cause the problem and failed to save us from the result.
In our daily lives, we must never let any comment go un challenged that says or assumes otherwise.
This is HOW we will overcome this. We must make it"common wisdom" that Government is not the answer, government is the Problem.
That is the Military Battle Line that we all must Shoot our words across. From TV to Newspapers to the internet, we must NEVER allow there to be any otherassumption.
GOVERNMENT FAILED. GOVERNMENT CAUSED THE PROBLEM, GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY MAKE IT WORSE.
Its time we give the Constitution, the freemarket, and ourselves the freedom to be as gloriously wonderful as we can be. We willfind another energy power platform, other than oil. We will build and rise upto be the Great and Free Country on the Planet.
China is not the new light of Freedom, America is and for ever will be.

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Fri 08/03/12 09:04 PM



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Fri 08/03/12 09:18 PM
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Sat 08/04/12 12:55 AM
Society Is a Blessing, but Government Is Evil

Thomas Paine

http://mises.org/daily/2897

http://mises.org/daily/5758/Depoliticize-Everything

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Sat 08/04/12 09:02 AM
Our government didn't create this mess it was the 1% that own the government.

It has long been agreed that there is a revolving door between business and government.

When elected one serves those who got them elected and when out of office if you did a good job your on the board or paid as a consultant.

Lets face it Corporations run this country and have run it into the ground.

A simple example would be the latest rise in gas prices.

I read some were it was a refinery issue due to break downs.

One would think if the oil industry wanted to do whats right for the country they would take some of their record profits and maintain the refineries they have. That of course would go against the profit motive.

Instead we have a manufactured refined gas shortage giving them the excuse they need to jack up prices draining our wallets and keeping the common folks from having any expendable income.

Wages are stagnant or going backwards due to inflation and everything else we need to live is going up in price.


The biggest trouble I see for our country are the rich screwing over the poor and middle class.




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Sat 08/04/12 09:13 AM
I think the future is more like a mix between the wild west and the confederate/northern states

with an abundance of guns and a great divide leading to plenty of secession between the haves and the have nots,,,,

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Sat 08/04/12 10:29 AM
and the solution is?what

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/04/12 06:11 PM

and the solution is?what



improve education, healthcare, job opportunities

start promoting family and 'community' values again,,,

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Sat 08/04/12 07:43 PM
No, Americas future is not "Mad Max". It's more like Mexico city or any other third world country. It will be a small enclave of very rich surrounded by hordes of very poor, and led by an ineffective out of touch government. That is unless some people put aside their petty differences and do something about it.

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Sat 08/04/12 08:06 PM
It would help if we had a democratic congress.

The republicans filibustered a bill that would end tax breaks for companies who ship jobs over seas.

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Sat 08/04/12 10:40 PM

It would help if we had a democratic congress.

The republicans filibustered a bill that would end tax breaks for companies who ship jobs over seas.


Wrong, it would help if we got rid of democrats and republicans! We need a third party consisting of moderates who will do what is best for the country and not special interest groups and absolutely will NOT talk to lobbyists little lone take their money. The money offered to politicians is the single most important issue facing this country. People want to say it's immigration, the economy, healthcare, education, radical Islam and they are absolutely WRONG! It is the money, get rid of lobbyists and all the problems we face will either disappear or at least become extremely manageable.

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Sun 08/05/12 06:13 AM


It would help if we had a democratic congress.

The republicans filibustered a bill that would end tax breaks for companies who ship jobs over seas.


Wrong, it would help if we got rid of democrats and republicans! We need a third party consisting of moderates who will do what is best for the country and not special interest groups and absolutely will NOT talk to lobbyists little lone take their money. The money offered to politicians is the single most important issue facing this country. People want to say it's immigration, the economy, healthcare, education, radical Islam and they are absolutely WRONG! It is the money, get rid of lobbyists and all the problems we face will either disappear or at least become extremely manageable.
I wont disagree with any of that.

But it would have helped a little if the republicans would not have filibustered a bill that would have ended tax breaks for companies who ship jobs and factories over seas.

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Sun 08/05/12 10:47 AM



It would help if we had a democratic congress.

The republicans filibustered a bill that would end tax breaks for companies who ship jobs over seas.


Wrong, it would help if we got rid of democrats and republicans! We need a third party consisting of moderates who will do what is best for the country and not special interest groups and absolutely will NOT talk to lobbyists little lone take their money. The money offered to politicians is the single most important issue facing this country. People want to say it's immigration, the economy, healthcare, education, radical Islam and they are absolutely WRONG! It is the money, get rid of lobbyists and all the problems we face will either disappear or at least become extremely manageable.
I wont disagree with any of that.

But it would have helped a little if the republicans would not have filibustered a bill that would have ended tax breaks for companies who ship jobs and factories over seas.


Filibustering is what both parties do when the other party has majority control, personally I think the filibuster is over used and their should be strict rules on when it can be used.

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Sun 08/05/12 10:58 AM
I once felt republicans were part of the ying and yang. Conservatives had an intellectual arm that was insightful and could make learned decisions based on rationality and common sense thought processes.

Now the word "intellectual" gets them infuriated .

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Sun 08/05/12 11:04 AM

I once felt republicans were part of the ying and yang. Conservatives had an intellectual arm that was insightful and could make learned decisions based on rationality and common sense thought processes.

Now the word "intellectual" gets them infuriated .


When I was about 15 I started following politics and was a democrat. Then when I was about 21 Clinton was president and him and Janet Reno were on a witch hunt type of crusade against guns and that turned me towards the republican side, then about 8 years ago I started to see the nexus between our failed two party system and have distanced myself from both parties. Because of this I can smell their stink a mile away, and when someone tries to tell me that one party is better then the other it tells me they aren't paying attention.

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Sun 08/05/12 11:16 AM


I once felt republicans were part of the ying and yang. Conservatives had an intellectual arm that was insightful and could make learned decisions based on rationality and common sense thought processes.

Now the word "intellectual" gets them infuriated .


When I was about 15 I started following politics and was a democrat. Then when I was about 21 Clinton was president and him and Janet Reno were on a witch hunt type of crusade against guns and that turned me towards the republican side, then about 8 years ago I started to see the nexus between our failed two party system and have distanced myself from both parties. Because of this I can smell their stink a mile away, and when someone tries to tell me that one party is better then the other it tells me they aren't paying attention.
In general I would have to say the Dems are the better choice but you are totally correct that the monied interests call the real shots.

As far as national securities issues we are under the third term of Bush. Obama is no improvement on the endless bankrupting wars.

Crazy 1% nutjob Morman Romney will up him one and go after Iran on trumped up charges.

If I had a third choice that would be great but we do not, not one that has a chance of winning.

The dems and repugs have a monopoly on politics in this poker game and the house owns both decks of cards.


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Sun 08/05/12 11:46 AM



I once felt republicans were part of the ying and yang. Conservatives had an intellectual arm that was insightful and could make learned decisions based on rationality and common sense thought processes.

Now the word "intellectual" gets them infuriated .


When I was about 15 I started following politics and was a democrat. Then when I was about 21 Clinton was president and him and Janet Reno were on a witch hunt type of crusade against guns and that turned me towards the republican side, then about 8 years ago I started to see the nexus between our failed two party system and have distanced myself from both parties. Because of this I can smell their stink a mile away, and when someone tries to tell me that one party is better then the other it tells me they aren't paying attention.
In general I would have to say the Dems are the better choice but you are totally correct that the monied interests call the real shots.

As far as national securities issues we are under the third term of Bush. Obama is no improvement on the endless bankrupting wars.

Crazy 1% nutjob Morman Romney will up him one and go after Iran on trumped up charges.

If I had a third choice that would be great but we do not, not one that has a chance of winning.

The dems and repugs have a monopoly on politics in this poker game and the house owns both decks of cards.





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Sun 08/05/12 11:47 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 08/05/12 11:48 AM
labels are not what makes politicians who they are

they are already who they are through their life experiences, and the 'power/status/reverence' they have grown accustomed to and the sacrifices that have become expected from them

no number of parties will change that basic human element

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Sun 08/05/12 11:56 AM



I once felt republicans were part of the ying and yang. Conservatives had an intellectual arm that was insightful and could make learned decisions based on rationality and common sense thought processes.

Now the word "intellectual" gets them infuriated .


When I was about 15 I started following politics and was a democrat. Then when I was about 21 Clinton was president and him and Janet Reno were on a witch hunt type of crusade against guns and that turned me towards the republican side, then about 8 years ago I started to see the nexus between our failed two party system and have distanced myself from both parties. Because of this I can smell their stink a mile away, and when someone tries to tell me that one party is better then the other it tells me they aren't paying attention.
In general I would have to say the Dems are the better choice but you are totally correct that the monied interests call the real shots.

As far as national securities issues we are under the third term of Bush. Obama is no improvement on the endless bankrupting wars.

Crazy 1% nutjob Morman Romney will up him one and go after Iran on trumped up charges.

If I had a third choice that would be great but we do not, not one that has a chance of winning.

The dems and repugs have a monopoly on politics in this poker game and the house owns both decks of cards.




It all depends on what one perceives to true I guess. There was some chatter in Washington earlier in the year about moderates from both parties forming a 3rd party, but I have not heard anything for some time now. If we could get the moderates to form a 3rd party we would begin to see something called common sense being used, currently common sense is just a myth.

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Sun 08/05/12 06:53 PM




I once felt republicans were part of the ying and yang. Conservatives had an intellectual arm that was insightful and could make learned decisions based on rationality and common sense thought processes.

Now the word "intellectual" gets them infuriated .


When I was about 15 I started following politics and was a democrat. Then when I was about 21 Clinton was president and him and Janet Reno were on a witch hunt type of crusade against guns and that turned me towards the republican side, then about 8 years ago I started to see the nexus between our failed two party system and have distanced myself from both parties. Because of this I can smell their stink a mile away, and when someone tries to tell me that one party is better then the other it tells me they aren't paying attention.
In general I would have to say the Dems are the better choice but you are totally correct that the monied interests call the real shots.

As far as national securities issues we are under the third term of Bush. Obama is no improvement on the endless bankrupting wars.

Crazy 1% nutjob Morman Romney will up him one and go after Iran on trumped up charges.

If I had a third choice that would be great but we do not, not one that has a chance of winning.

The dems and repugs have a monopoly on politics in this poker game and the house owns both decks of cards.




It all depends on what one perceives to true I guess. There was some chatter in Washington earlier in the year about moderates from both parties forming a 3rd party, but I have not heard anything for some time now. If we could get the moderates to form a 3rd party we would begin to see something called common sense being used, currently common sense is just a myth.
That would be interesting.
Without campaign finance reform we will never get the change we need.

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