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Topic: The Real Welfare States
Bestinshow's photo
Wed 11/14/12 01:14 AM
Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/14/12 01:29 AM

Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep,you all had a burning desire to Balance the Budget!
Matter of Fact,your side couldn't even put a Budget together!
laugh

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 11/14/12 01:43 AM


Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep,you all had a burning desire to Balance the Budget!
Matter of Fact,your side couldn't even put a Budget together!
laugh
I am so glad the democrats won because we refuse to balance a budget on the backs of the poor and working people.

But lets stick to this topic please Mr Conrad facts are facts, see above.waving

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/14/12 03:57 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 11/14/12 04:11 AM



Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep,you all had a burning desire to Balance the Budget!
Matter of Fact,your side couldn't even put a Budget together!
laugh
I am so glad the democrats won because we refuse to balance a budget on the backs of the poor and working people.

But lets stick to this topic please Mr Conrad facts are facts, see above.waving
yep,Statistics are facts,just ask Mark Twain!:laughing: actually,you all never bothered to even set up a Budget,even when you controlled House and Senate!laugh
And all that Rhetoric about the Poor can't change that!

http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Democrat_Rights_1961_2012.png

Who fought Civil-Rights-Legislation Tooth and Nail?
A little Clue,it weren't the Republicans,neither the Libertarians!laugh

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/democrats-then-and-now-t9249.html

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/14/12 04:07 AM



Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep,you all had a burning desire to Balance the Budget!
Matter of Fact,your side couldn't even put a Budget together!
laugh
I am so glad the democrats won because we refuse to balance a budget on the backs of the poor and working people.

But lets stick to this topic please Mr Conrad facts are facts, see above.waving
I am on topic!laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/14/12 04:09 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Wed 11/14/12 04:10 AM

Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep said the blind Man,picked up his Hammer and Saw!

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/14/12 05:17 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 11/14/12 05:19 AM




Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep,you all had a burning desire to Balance the Budget!
Matter of Fact,your side couldn't even put a Budget together!
laugh
I am so glad the democrats won because we refuse to balance a budget on the backs of the poor and working people.

But lets stick to this topic please Mr Conrad facts are facts, see above.waving
yep,Statistics are facts,just ask Mark Twain!:laughing: actually,you all never bothered to even set up a Budget,even when you controlled House and Senate!laugh
And all that Rhetoric about the Poor can't change that!

http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Democrat_Rights_1961_2012.png

Who fought Civil-Rights-Legislation Tooth and Nail?
A little Clue,it weren't the Republicans,neither the Libertarians!laugh

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/democrats-then-and-now-t9249.html


I always wonder why there is this perception about the civil rights act,,,here are the vote results



The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[16]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[16]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

[edit] By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)




the majority across parties supported the bill
looks as if the only absolute defiance was from southern republicans,,,,


and what year was a budget not set up? I find one for every year on the cbo website?

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 11/14/12 09:06 AM



Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep,you all had a burning desire to Balance the Budget!
Matter of Fact,your side couldn't even put a Budget together!
laugh
I am so glad the democrats won because we refuse to balance a budget on the backs of the poor and working people.

But lets stick to this topic please Mr Conrad facts are facts, see above.waving



I Agree!:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Toodygirl5's photo
Wed 11/14/12 09:09 AM

Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1


:thumbsup:

Bravalady's photo
Wed 11/14/12 09:13 AM
Aw, but facts are no FUN for some people.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/14/12 10:29 AM





Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1
yep,you all had a burning desire to Balance the Budget!
Matter of Fact,your side couldn't even put a Budget together!
laugh
I am so glad the democrats won because we refuse to balance a budget on the backs of the poor and working people.

But lets stick to this topic please Mr Conrad facts are facts, see above.waving
yep,Statistics are facts,just ask Mark Twain!:laughing: actually,you all never bothered to even set up a Budget,even when you controlled House and Senate!laugh
And all that Rhetoric about the Poor can't change that!

http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Democrat_Rights_1961_2012.png

Who fought Civil-Rights-Legislation Tooth and Nail?
A little Clue,it weren't the Republicans,neither the Libertarians!laugh

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples-blog/democrats-then-and-now-t9249.html


I always wonder why there is this perception about the civil rights act,,,here are the vote results



The original House version:[16]
Democratic Party: 152–96 (61–39%)
Republican Party: 138–34 (80–20%)

Cloture in the Senate:[17]
Democratic Party: 44–23 (66–34%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version:[16]
Democratic Party: 46–21 (69–31%)
Republican Party: 27–6 (82–18%)

The Senate version, voted on by the House:[16]
Democratic Party: 153–91 (63–37%)
Republican Party: 136–35 (80–20%)

[edit] By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)




the majority across parties supported the bill
looks as if the only absolute defiance was from southern republicans,,,,


and what year was a budget not set up? I find one for every year on the cbo website?


http://ashbrook.org/publications/oped-owens-02-racism/

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Movement:

A little known fact of history involves the heavy opposition to the civil rights movement by several prominent Democrats. Similar historical neglect is given to the important role Republicans played in supporting the civil rights movement. A calculation of 26 major civil rights votes from 1933 through the 1960's civil rights era shows that Republicans favored civil rights in approximately 96% of the votes, whereas the Democrats opposed them in 80% of the votes! These facts are often intentionally overlooked by the left wing Democrats for obvious reasons. In some cases, the Democrats have told flat out lies about their shameful record during the civil rights movement.

Democrat Senators organized the record Senate filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Included among the organizers were several prominent and well known liberal Democrat standard bearers including:
- Robert Byrd, current senator from West Virginia
- J. William Fulbright, Arkansas senator and political mentor of Bill Clinton
- Albert Gore Sr., Tennessee senator, father and political mentor of Al Gore. Gore Jr. has been known to lie about his father's opposition to the Civil Rights Act.
- Sam Ervin, North Carolina senator of Watergate hearings fame
- Richard Russell, famed Georgia senator and later President Pro Tempore

The complete list of the 21 Democrats who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 includes Senators:

- Hill and Sparkman of Alabama
- Fulbright and McClellan of Arkansas
- Holland and Smathers of Florida
- Russell and Talmadge of Georgia
- Ellender and Long of Louisiana
- Eastland and Stennis of Mississippi
- Ervin and Jordan of North Carolina
- Johnston and Thurmond of South Carolina
- Gore Sr. and Walters of Tennessee
- H. Byrd and Robertson of Virginia
- R. Byrd of West Virginia

Democrat opposition to the Civil Rights Act was substantial enough to literally split the party in two. A whopping 40% of the House Democrats VOTED AGAINST the Civil Rights Act, while 80% of Republicans SUPPORTED it. Republican support in the Senate was even higher. Similar trends occurred with the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which was supported by 82% of House Republicans and 94% of Senate Republicans. The same Democrat standard bearers took their normal racists stances, this time with Senator Fulbright leading the opposition effort.

It took the hard work of Republican Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen and Republican Whip Thomas Kuchel to pass the Civil Rights Act (Dirksen was presented a civil rights accomplishment award for the year by the head of the NAACP in recognition of his efforts). Upon breaking the Democrat filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Republican Dirksen took to the Senate floor and exclaimed "The time has come for equality of opportunity in sharing in government, in education, and in employment. It will not be stayed or denied. It is here!" (Full text of speech). Sadly, Democrats and revisionist historians have all but forgotten (and intentionally so) that it was Republican Dirksen, not the divided Democrats, who made the Civil Rights Act a reality. Dirksen also broke the Democrat filibuster of the 1957 Civil Rights Act that was signed by Republican President Eisenhower.

Outside of Congress, the three most notorious opponents of school integration were all Democrats:
- Orval Faubus, Democrat Governor of Arkansas and one of Bill Clinton's political heroes
- George Wallace, Democrat Governor of Alabama
- Lester Maddox, Democrat Governor of Georgia

The most famous of the school desegregation standoffs involved Governor Faubus. Democrat Faubus used police and state forces to block the integration of a high school in Little Rock, Arkansas. The standoff was settled and the school was integrated only after the intervention of Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Even the Democrat Party organization resisted integration and refused to allow minority participation for decades. Exclusion of minorities was the general rule of the Democrat Party of many states for decades, especially in Texas. This racist policy reached its peak under the New Deal in the southern and western states, often known as the New Deal Coalition region of FDR. The Supreme Court in Nixon v. Herndon declared the practice of "white primaries" unconstitutional in 1927 after states had passed laws barring Blacks from participating in Democrat primaries. But the Democrat Parties did not yield to the Court’s order. After Nixon v. Herndon, Democrats simply made rules within the party's individual executive committees to bar minorities from participating, which were struck down in Nixon v. Condon in 1932. The Democrats, in typical racist fashion, responded by using state parties to pass rules barring blacks from participation. This decision was upheld in Grovey v. Townsend, which was not overturned until 1944 by Smith v. Allwright. The Texas Democrats responded with their usual ploys and turned to what was known as the "Jaybird system" which used private Democrat clubs to hold white-only votes on a slate of candidates, which were then transferred to the Democrat party itself and put on their primary ballot as the only choices. Terry v. Adams overturned the Jaybird system, prompting the Democrats to institute blocks of unit rule voting procedures as well as the infamous literacy tests and other Jim Crow regulations to specifically block minorities from participating in their primaries. In the end, it took 4 direct Supreme Court orders to end the Democrat's "white primary" system, and after that it took countless additional orders, several acts of Congress, and a constitutional amendment to tear down the Jim Crow codes that preserved the Democrat's white primary for decades beyond the final Supreme Court order ruling it officially unconstitutional.

Hispanics in South Texas were treated especially poorly by the Democrat Party, which relied heavily on a system of political bosses to coerce and intimidate Hispanics into voting for Democrat primary candidates of choice. Though coercion is illegal, this system, known as the Patron system, is still in use to this day by local Democrat parties in some heavy Hispanic communities of the southwest.

The next time Democrats take to the national airwaves to dishonestly accuse Republicans of racial hatred, remember who the historical record up until this very day points to as the real bigots: The Democrat Party. In all possible ways, the Democrat Party is built around the pillars of ultra leftists, many of whom are known participants in racism and/or affiliates of racist hate groups. Consider the Democrat Party of today's heroes and leaders:

- Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Democrat icon and orchestrator of Japanese Internment
- Ex-House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, former affiliate of a St. Louis area racist group
- Ex-Senate President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd, former Ku Klux Klansman known for making bigoted slurs on national television
- Rev. Jesse Jackson, Democrat keynote speaker and race hustler known for making anti-Semitic slurs
- Rev. Al Sharpten, Democrat activist and perennial candidate and race hustler known inciting anti-Semitic violence in New York City
- Sen. Ernest Hollings, leading Democrat Senator known for use of racial slurs against several minority groups
- Lee P. Brown, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat mayor of Houston who won reelection using racial intimidation against Hispanic voters
- Andrew Cuomo, former Clinton cabinet official and Democrat candidate for NY Governor who made racist statements about a black opponent.
- Dan Rather, Democrat CBS news anchor and editorialist known for using anti-black racial epithets on a national radio broadcast
- Donna Brazile, former Gore campaign manager known for making anti-white racial attacks. Brazile has also worked for Jackson, Gephardt, and Michael Dukakis

http://gopcapitalist.tripod.com/democratrecord.html

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/14/12 10:33 AM
the long way of repeating what was already posted

SOUTHERN democrats and republicans primarily opposed civil rights


this is no longer your fathers political parties,, and the south is no longer affiliated strongly with democrats,,,,,



Bestinshow's photo
Wed 11/14/12 02:15 PM

Aw, but facts are no FUN for some people.
Its just crazy these states think they could get by without federal aid being they take more than they put in, but that's realy the republican way. Take more give less, sorta fitting. laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 11/14/12 02:17 PM


Aw, but facts are no FUN for some people.
Its just crazy these states think they could get by without federal aid being they take more than they put in, but that's realy the republican way. Take more give less, sorta fitting. laugh
enjoy while it lasts!laugh

Remember the Pitcher and the Well!:laughing:

TBRich's photo
Wed 11/14/12 02:22 PM
When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, he stated that we (Democrats) have probably lost the South for the next two generations

msharmony's photo
Wed 11/14/12 02:25 PM

When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, he stated that we (Democrats) have probably lost the South for the next two generations


prediction realized,,,,,

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 11/14/12 02:36 PM


When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act, he stated that we (Democrats) have probably lost the South for the next two generations


prediction realized,,,,,
No big loss really, small population and for the most part not contributing much to the national economy. Taking more than they put in as proven above....

Raven1569's photo
Wed 11/14/12 02:58 PM
I bet all of this will die down soon enough. Nothing but a bunch of whiny attention-seekers.

Chazster's photo
Wed 11/14/12 03:35 PM

Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1


Me thinks someone doesnt understand population density.

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 11/14/12 03:53 PM


Of the 32 states that receive more than they give in tax dollars to the federal government 21 of those states are Republican.

Of the 18 states that give more federal taxes than they receive 17 of them are democratic.

Wannabe Secessionists, Go For It, Pretty Please we can finally balance a budget.

See the stats here.

http://www.commondreams.org/further/2012/11/13-1


Me thinks someone doesnt understand population density.

Really? it would seem its the republicans who do not after all they spend four years chasing the votes 800,000 rednecks with states with about 4 electoral votes each, then they cry and wonder why the lost the election.laugh

Not to mention these states contribute nothing to the national economy in fact they take more money from the federal government than they contribute as proven above.

Talk about biting the hand that feeds you good lord!

What a feat of propaganda.

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