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Topic: Why should I fear God?
AndyBgood's photo
Thu 01/17/13 09:39 PM
Oh yes we see them every day. Profiles of men and women seeking someone who is God Fearing. To me that implies they want someone who is scared all the time! Are we supposed to fear God?

Personally I am done with all this fear and people fearing God and whatever else. is this a call sign of a scammer or a sheeple? I thing this is a line used by scammers more than anyone else.

So are most of these God fearing people looking for someone God Fearing so they can play with their fear? Or are they the caniving manipulative scumbags I assume most of them are more than likely behind the computer screen?

What is the point of fearing anything?

Kimoboy's photo
Thu 01/17/13 10:34 PM
Fear as used in the Bible is an archaic way of saying " respect."


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Thu 01/17/13 10:40 PM
As usual, Magneto said it best.

"Are you a God-fearing man...? That is such a strange phrase. I've always thought of God as a teacher; a bringer of light, wisdom, and understanding. You see, I think what you really fear is me."

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 01/18/13 03:45 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 01/18/13 04:32 AM
maybe,the Bearer of Light is our Father,and thus we have every reason to fear God,our Uncle!
Not the first time Humanity is getting something Bassackward!laugh

Zimzane2's photo
Fri 01/18/13 04:22 AM

Oh yes we see them every day. Profiles of men and women seeking someone who is God Fearing. To me that implies they want someone who is scared all the time! Are we supposed to fear God?

Personally I am done with all this fear and people fearing God and whatever else. is this a call sign of a scammer or a sheeple? I thing this is a line used by scammers more than anyone else.

So are most of these God fearing people looking for someone God Fearing so they can play with their fear? Or are they the caniving manipulative scumbags I assume most of them are more than likely behind the computer screen?

What is the point of fearing anything?


I think people get the idea of the fear of god twisted.

Zimzane2's photo
Fri 01/18/13 04:22 AM

Oh yes we see them every day. Profiles of men and women seeking someone who is God Fearing. To me that implies they want someone who is scared all the time! Are we supposed to fear God?

Personally I am done with all this fear and people fearing God and whatever else. is this a call sign of a scammer or a sheeple? I thing this is a line used by scammers more than anyone else.

So are most of these God fearing people looking for someone God Fearing so they can play with their fear? Or are they the caniving manipulative scumbags I assume most of them are more than likely behind the computer screen?

What is the point of fearing anything?


I think people get the idea of the fear of god twisted.

msharmony's photo
Fri 01/18/13 06:46 AM

Fear as used in the Bible is an archaic way of saying " respect."





thank you. This is also part of the culture I was brought up in. Another example of an american word that has many meanings and contexts. There is no respect without fear. Its not neessarily the primal fear people imagine when they hear the word, as it is a sense of caution and awareness of possible consequences.

I am fearful of stds. That doesnt mean I walk around in this kind of fear scared

it just means, I carry with me a healthy respect for the damage it can do and I am therefore CAUTIOUS to make safer healthier choices,,,


someone who laughs at God or doesnt believe in him or care about his word, would not be a match for me,,,that is at least what I mean, when I Say I am seeking someone 'God fearing'

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 01/18/13 07:35 AM

Oh yes we see them every day. Profiles of men and women seeking someone who is God Fearing. To me that implies they want someone who is scared all the time! Are we supposed to fear God?

Personally I am done with all this fear and people fearing God and whatever else. is this a call sign of a scammer or a sheeple? I thing this is a line used by scammers more than anyone else.

So are most of these God fearing people looking for someone God Fearing so they can play with their fear? Or are they the caniving manipulative scumbags I assume most of them are more than likely behind the computer screen?

What is the point of fearing anything?


It's not in the aspect of being like terrified of God.

It falls into as in a relationship, you fear doing the wrong thing and or upsetting your spouse for fear of loosing them. Not specifically fear of your life or anything of that such. Just out of love and wanting to uplift them, having the fear of doing the opposite and hurting them.

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 01/18/13 09:53 AM
Ah but if you sin God will toss you into hell...

pitchfork

Well, don't accept Jesus as your savior at least. Or is that not being Islamic? Didn't some deity already steal our souls according to L Ron Hubbard?

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 01/18/13 10:14 AM

Ah but if you sin God will toss you into hell...

pitchfork

Well, don't accept Jesus as your savior at least. Or is that not being Islamic? Didn't some deity already steal our souls according to L Ron Hubbard?


It's not specifically that cut and dry from the Christian point of view. Yes the only reward for sin is death, but God offers forgiveness and tells us showing love to others covers a multitude of sin.

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Fri 01/18/13 12:28 PM

Ah but if you sin God will toss you into hell...

pitchfork

Well, don't accept Jesus as your savior at least. Or is that not being Islamic? Didn't some deity already steal our souls according to L Ron Hubbard?


Hell (Hades and Tartarus) is a Greek myth and as such, is not Biblical.


AndyBgood's photo
Fri 01/18/13 02:13 PM
The fact fear is mentioned should speak volumes!

Fear sells better than peace!

CowboyGH's photo
Fri 01/18/13 02:42 PM


Ah but if you sin God will toss you into hell...

pitchfork

Well, don't accept Jesus as your savior at least. Or is that not being Islamic? Didn't some deity already steal our souls according to L Ron Hubbard?


Hell (Hades and Tartarus) is a Greek myth and as such, is not Biblical.




It is biblical, just not in the sense most people think of Hell as. All the words that translate into hell, circle around meaning place of the dead. From words such as Hades, Gehenna, and Sheol for example.

It's not a firey cave underneath the Earth, where little men with horns run around.

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Fri 01/18/13 09:13 PM
Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Fri 01/18/13 09:14 PM
2 Peter 2:1-4
New International Version (NIV)

False Teachers and Their Destruction
2 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. 4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell,[a] putting them in chains of darkness[b.] to be held for judgment;

Footnotes:
a.2 Peter 2:4 Greek Tartarus
b.2 Peter 2:4 Some manuscripts in gloomy dungeons



2 Timothy 4:1-5
New International Version (NIV)

4 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. 3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.


I dunno, looks like the Bible predicted that myths would be secretly introduced and I for one consider Tartarus a Greek MYTH...

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sat 01/19/13 09:38 AM

Fear is only for those who want to do wrong.. When a thief steals he fears being caught. Those who fear Yahweh have a good understanding.. the same as those who fear our nations laws have a good understanding. If their was never no fear or no law then if I wanted to steal your car I could. If I did not like someone I could kill them. Law is for our own good with Yahweh for sure. Mans laws are like the Pharasees all kinds of nit bits added to the law. Their is no law and no need of fear when you obey them. Fear is for the law breaker. We are Yahweh's children made in his likeness.. He loves us but he also disciplines us when we need it. Do we do the same for our children.. Yes because we LOVE them.

AndyBgood's photo
Sat 01/19/13 10:12 AM
It goes with what I say. If you live a good life you have nothing to fear!

I don't fear god. If anyone should b in fear god should be in fear of me anyways! I got some questions I am curious what the answer will be!

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sat 01/19/13 08:33 PM
I don't fear anybody's imaginary friends. I fear they way people justify horrible acts because of their imaginary friends.

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Sun 01/20/13 03:04 AM
Fearing god or not, doesnt make any sense, he is going to do whatever he wants and you have no power to change it. You can pray 24/7 but he isnt going to change his master plan just for you.

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Sun 01/20/13 03:05 AM
Edited by rooster84u on Sun 01/20/13 03:06 AM

TBRich's photo
Mon 01/21/13 01:23 PM
THE FEAR OF THE LORD

By Rosemarie Scott

If God is so loving, kind and compassionate, why does Scripture say we should "fear" Him? What exactly is fear of the Lord, which is considered a gift of the Holy Spirit (Isaiah 11:2-3 Douay), and how does it relate to our walk with God?

Two Kinds of Fear

The fear of the Lord is a much misunderstood concept, perhaps in part because there are actually two types of "fear" of the Lord mentioned in Scripture. The first, mentioned in Isaiah 2:10, 19 and 21, is not a gift of the Holy Spirit; it is the abject terror of an unrepentant sinner before the justice of God. Some translations render this as "the terror of the Lord" (Revised Standard Version) or "dread of the Lord" (Revised English Bible). The original Hebrew word is pachad, which always indicates a terrified dread. The Apocalypse (Book of Revelation) contains a parallel passage (6:15-17), in which evildoers try to hide in terror of God's justice.

Ultimately, God will have to judge those who do evil and refuse to repent at His loving call. Such people have every reason to dread that day. Yet those who are in Christ are "not appointed to wrath" (I Thessalonians 5:9). Our Lord has redeemed, justified and sanctified them by His Cross and through Baptism. As long as they remain in a state of grace, they are not children of wrath, but regenerate children of God. "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:1), for Our Savior did away with their eternal punishment.

So Christians in a state of grace need not fear God's wrath. I St. John 4:17-18 says "In this way love is perfected among us, so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like Him. There is no fear in love, for perfect love casts out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love". Those who are perfected in love will have humble confidence on Judgement Day and always. Perfect love drives out all fear of divine punishment.

So for those who are in Christ, the "fear of the Lord" does not involve abject terror or dread of divine justice. In fact, Saint John says that any who fear God's wrath are not perfected in love (verse 18).

Yet Sacred Scripture elsewhere mentions "fear of the Lord" as something virtuous, one of the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit. So what is this "holy fear"? In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word used for this fear is yirah, which denotes piety and reverence rather than abject terror. This is why some modern translations say "revere the Lord" rather than "fear the Lord".

A careful study of Scripture will reveal that "the fear of the Lord" involves the following elements:

1. Reverence and Awe

"Let all the earth fear the Lord, and let all the inhabitants of the world be in awe of him." (Psalm 33:8)
The Creator of the Universe is Almighty and awesome (Ps 47:7). His attributes such as Power (Joshua 4:23-24), Majesty (Jeremiah 10:7), Justice (Apoc/Rev 14:7), and Holiness (15:4) certainly inspire awe and reverence in His creatures. Yet Sacred Scripture says that Our Lord's blessings (Ps 67:7), goodness (I Samuel 12:24) and even forgiveness (Ps 130:4) are also reasons to "fear" Him! God's wonderful love and goodness should inspire awe and worship in our hearts.

Such reverence does not conflict with an intimate communion with God, but it does conflict with flippancy, which is disrespectful. The fear of the Lord acknowledges the "otherness" of God, which deserves recognition and respect on our part. Yet God's infinite "otherness" does not subtract from the fact that He is our loving Abba Father. "For thus says the High and Exalted One who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy: I dwell in a high and holy place, and also with the contrite and humble in spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble and to revive the spirit of the contrite" (Isaiah 57:15).

God is exalted above creation, yet "in Him we live and move and have our being" (Acts 17:28). He knows us completely, loves us infinitely and is with us always (Ps 139:1-2). God's Majesty does not keep us from Him because He willingly humbles Himself to fellowship with us (Ps 113:4-9; 138:6). His holiness does not bar us from His Presence because whe have become the righteousness of God in Jesus (2 Co 5:21). No created thing can keep us from our loving Abba, for we have communion with Him through Jesus by the Holy Spirit (Eph 2:18).

God deserves our reverent worship and desires our close fellowship. As we draw closer to Him in prayer, we will see that there is no real contradiction between the two. A proper respect and awe in worship is possible without perceiving God as a cold, distant Deity. The more we get to know Him, the more we shall see how the Majesty and immanent Love of God are reconciled.

2. Hatred of Evil

"The fear of the Lord is to hate evil" (Proverbs 8:13)
Here Christ, the Eternal Wisdom, defines "the fear of the Lord" as hatred of evil. Exodus 18:21 states that those who fear God hate coveteousness. Job is said to have feared God and turned from evil (Job 1:1, 8). Proverbs 3:7 warns us to "fear the Lord and turn away from evil". If we hate evil we will turn away from it (Proverbs 16:6, Job 28:28).

The popular "Novena to the Holy Spirit for the Seven Gifts" defines the fear of the Lord as follows:

The gift of Fear fills us with a sovereign respect for God, and makes us dread nothing so much as to offend Him by sin. It is a fear that arises, not from the thought of hell, but from sentiments of reverence and filial submission to our heavenly Father. It is the fear that is the beginning of wisdom, detaching us from worldly pleasures that could in any way separate us from God. "They that fear the Lord will prepare their hearts, and in His sight will sanctify their souls."
When David teaches "the fear of the Lord" in Psalm 34, he says, "Keep your tongue from evil, and your lips from speaking guile. Turn away from evil, and do good, seek peace and pursue it" (vvs 14-15). Turning from evil should lead to doing good. This brings us to the third meaning of "fear of the Lord":
3. Obedience to God

That he may learn to fear the Lord his God by carefully observing all the words of this law and these statutes" (Deuteronomy 17:19)
Abraham, our father in faith, proved that he feared God by obeying his command to sacrifice his son (Genesis 22:12). Moses told the children of Israel to "Fear the Lord...to walk in all His ways and love Him" (Dt 10:12, 20). Centuries later, the Prophet Samuel counseled the Israelites to "fear the Lord and serve Him in truth with all your heart" (I Samuel 12:24). Isaiah 50:10 makes another clear association between the fear of God with obedience and trust in Him, as do Psalm 86:11; 112:1; 128:1 and Ecclesiastes 12:13.

What should be our motivation in obeying God? Some people obey because they fear the divine wrath if they don't. Though it may cause one to obey God's commandments for a while, fear of punishment is not the highest motivation for serving God. It may even contain some hidden selfishness: "I serve God because if I don't He'll do something to me-which I will find inconvenient. So serving and obeying God is in my best interest!". Hardly a perfect motive!

Jesus says, "If you love Me, you will keep my commandments" (John 14:15). Obedience should spring from our love for God. That is a much better motive than fear of punishment. Love is freely given and does things out of a desire to delight God. It is unselfish, gives all the glory to Our Lord, and seeks no other reward but pleasing Him (although God's justice will always reward such obedience - Matthew 6:4,6,18).

Of course, both our love and obedience should be inspired and empowered by the Spirit of Grace. Then it will be God's work within us, not natural good works (see the articles on Grace elsewhere in this web site).

Fear and Love Together

"Whoever has my commandments and keeps them is one who loves me, and whoever loves me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him....If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make our abode with him." -St. John 14:21,23.
Here Jesus lists three results of our loving obedience. First, the Father will love us. Yet Psalm 103:17 states that "the lovingkindness of the Lord is from everlasting to everlasting to those who fear him"! God loves both those who fear Him and those who love Him. As we saw before, some Scriptures say that obedience comes from the fear of God and others from love for God. Notice a pattern?
The second result of loving Jesus is that He will disclose Himself to us. This means He will reveal something intimate about His Person to one who loves Him. Yet Psalm 25:14 tells us that "The secret of the Lord is for those who fear him". The original Hebrew word translated as "secret" indicates a confidential, intimate dialogue between friends. Another interesting parallel.

The third result is the abiding presence of the Father and Son in one's soul. God promises to dwell with, commune with, guide, protect and perfectly satisfy the spiritual longing of those who love Him.

Is this also the case for those who fear God? Yes; God watches and delivers those who fear Him (Ps 33:18). They receive long life, abide before the Lord forever, and know His love and faithfulness (61:5-7). His salvation is near to them (85:9); they are blessed in every way (112:19), for He satisfies and saves them (145:19). God remembers them, calls them His own and spares them (Malachi 3:16-17) and the Sun of Righteousness rises on them (4:2). His mercy continues even on their families (Luke 1:50; see Proverbs 14:26-27). This is all unmistakeable evidence of God's abiding presence and love in their lives.

As we saw above, the fear of the Lord involves hatred of evil. Yet Psalm 97:10 says "Hate evil, you who love the Lord"! We also discussed above how we should mingle our reverence toward God with love. The only conclusion one can draw from this is that, far from being opposites, love for God and holy fear are complementary. If we love God we must reverence and worship His awesome Divinity. The more we love Him the more we will hate that which is contrary to God, namely evil and sin, and fear displeasing Him by committing sin. With the help of His grace, we will obey His righteous commandments out of love and fear for our Heavenly Father.

The Holy Spirit, the Substantial Love of the Father and the Son, is also the "Spirit of Holy Fear", Who gives us the gift of the fear of the Lord. He will help us turn from evil and desire to obey and please our Beloved in everything. Love and holy fear are braided together in our walk with Jesus, and through them our spirits are braided into His own.

Let us Pray:

Come, O blessed Spirit of Holy Fear, penetrate my inmost heart, that I may set Thee, my Lord and God, before my face forever. Help me to shun all things that can offend Thee, and make me worthy to appear before the pure eyes of Thy Divine Majesty in heaven, where Thou livest and reignest in the unity of the ever-Blessed Trinity, God world without end. Amen.
A.M.D.G.
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