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We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect. We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other, in this spiritual battle of life. God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work? If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he? God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect. If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions? Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God? I don't think so. We can't live without making decisions ,our decisions make us who we are. God is aware of the flaws that we have as humans, that is why there is grace and forgiveness . |
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We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect. We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other, in this spiritual battle of life. God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work? If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he? God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect. If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions? Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God? I don't think so. We can't live without making decisions ,our decisions make us who we are. God is aware of the flaws that we have as humans, that is why there is grace and forgiveness . except of course when there's not.........that's the most ridiculous aspect of all of this......God KNOWINGLY makes us flawed, yet then gets mad when we act according to those flaws? What? If God didn't want us to be flawed and sin, why did he give us the capability? Further, why then is it OUR fault that we act according to how we were made, when God had the final say on how we were formed, what we could do and could not. How is the creator not responsible? The whole story plain stinks. |
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You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself. Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry. |
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Edited by
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You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself. Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry. I don't believe in a God that uses fear to get what it wants, sorry I just don't. Any being on this earth that would tell you "love me or I will ensure you die and burn" would be seen as a monster and quite rightly. Why is it then that God can do the same thing and it's suddenly ok? Why do we expect more out of ourselves, than we do out of a God that is supposed to be higher than us spiritually? Why do we worship a God that is effectively less loving than we? It makes no sense. If anything we should expect MORE out of a being claiming to be divine.....not less. |
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You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself. Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry. I don't believe in a God that uses fear to get what it wants, sorry I just don't. Any being on this earth that would tell you "love me or I will ensure you die and burn" would be seen as a monster and quite rightly. Why is it then that God can do the same thing and it's suddenly ok? Why do we expect more out of ourselves, than we do out of a God that is supposed to be higher than us spiritually? Why do we worship a God that is effectively less loving than we? It makes no sense. If anything we should expect MORE out of a being claiming to be divine.....not less. Actually Kleisto, a lot of people misinterpret what the fear of God means. Putting the "fear of God" into someone isn't to make a person believe that they should be petrified about God striking them down. Fear of god, realistically, means to revere, believe, and keep his word. To love him like he loves us. Fear actually mean reverance and respect toward Lord Jesus and his Father, our creator, God. God is our creator, if you believe. He hates sin, and whatever is written in the Bible like the ten commandments and such, point out what we permitted and not permitted for us to do. Follow God's word and live by it or live all for yourself, like today's satanic media preaches in their music vids. "Do What you want", "Rules were made to be broken" , "Just do it" and some other promote a satanic lifestyle, which a lot of people don't realize is not right. A lot of people think it's normal. Again, God does not send us to hell. Only we can send ourselves there by ignoring, rejecting or by being unbelievers of God. Like it says in the Bible " all non believers will be thrown into the lake of fire". I didn't say that, Jesus did. Sins are basically things that hurt ourselves, as well as other people. Destructive ways that only have us end up self destructing. Lying, Greed, Lust, Coveting, Jealousy, envy, hate, anger. These are all against God, and in truth most of us have felt these very same feelings. And in truth, we cannot escape Satan's hold on us, without the help of God to rid ourselves of these destructive, negative feelings and emotions. |
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The Feast of Tabernacles is going on live to see what we try and live by and why. The Cult of the Yahweh People. See what we live. http://eliyah.com/mp3/feasts/fot2013day1.mp3 |
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You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself. Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry. I don't believe in a God that uses fear to get what it wants, sorry I just don't. Any being on this earth that would tell you "love me or I will ensure you die and burn" would be seen as a monster and quite rightly. Why is it then that God can do the same thing and it's suddenly ok? Why do we expect more out of ourselves, than we do out of a God that is supposed to be higher than us spiritually? Why do we worship a God that is effectively less loving than we? It makes no sense. If anything we should expect MORE out of a being claiming to be divine.....not less. Actually Kleisto, a lot of people misinterpret what the fear of God means. Putting the "fear of God" into someone isn't to make a person believe that they should be petrified about God striking them down. Fear of god, realistically, means to revere, believe, and keep his word. To love him like he loves us. Fear actually mean reverance and respect toward Lord Jesus and his Father, our creator, God. Again, God does not send us to hell. Only we can send ourselves there by ignoring, rejecting or by being unbelievers of God. Like it says in the Bible " all non believers will be thrown into the lake of fire". I didn't say that, Jesus did. Why should I respect a person who only cares for what it wants, not what I do? Is that really what love does? It's not to me. Love is not selfish, your Bible even says that, to demand things is the antithesis of that. Respect is a two way street, if I am not respected, what's the point of giving it back? And you are full of crap on the 2nd, God can ALWAYS choose to not damn anyone.....no one realistically would choose that for themselves......God is the one that makes it possible. So yeah he entirely DOES send us there since no one else can do it but the creator. And no matter if "we do it" or not, it's still completely unloving. Not a God worth worshipping to me at all, who would do such a thing. |
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Absolutely not. The pictures we see of Jesus were what many of the old masters idea was. Since Jews have been on the out list for so long it would not have been "cool" to depict Him as a Jew, but that is what He is.
As to His return, Revelation tells us that no man knows the hour or day. We are told that he will come like a thief in the night. We are to expect Him at any time and to be ready. There are 2 returns depicted. The first is when all believers dead or alive will be caught up in the clouds and the trbulation period of 7 years will begin. The second time will be on the final judgement day. If you hear about any plane/car crashes and people disappearing leavng only clothes behind you might stop and ask yourself, "Oops did I get this Christian thing wrong?" You will go through the tribulation and will have a chance at "making things right", but it won't be easy and you might be killed because of it. Try reading the Left Behind series by Tim LeHaye and Jerry Jenkins. Excellent books even for non-believers. The story is about fictional characters nd events, but they are biblically accurate. |
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We all sin to some degree. Remember it's God that is perfect. We're just his creations that can go either one way or the other, in this spiritual battle of life. God is perfect you say? Then how on earth is it possible that he could create a creation capable of doing something it did not intend for them to be able to do, to the point he regrets ever creating them before the great flood? Would that not be a mistake? Would this not indicate a flaw in his creation if he made them this way? How does that really work? If you ask me it doesn't.......either God is perfect and so are we for our purpose here, flaws and all, or God screwed up. There is no middleground. Make a choice, is God perfect or isn't he? God is perfect and he created as to have our own will so if we have flaws it does not make him any less perfect ,it's our decisions that makes us imperfect. If our "decisions" make us imperfect then would you say that maybe we should not make any decisions? Should we just blindly listen to the voices in our heads and follow their instructions? Or should we blindly follow orders from so-called preachers who claim to talk to God? I don't think so. We can't live without making decisions ,our decisions make us who we are. God is aware of the flaws that we have as humans, that is why there is grace and forgiveness . except of course when there's not.........that's the most ridiculous aspect of all of this......God KNOWINGLY makes us flawed, yet then gets mad when we act according to those flaws? What? If God didn't want us to be flawed and sin, why did he give us the capability? Further, why then is it OUR fault that we act according to how we were made, when God had the final say on how we were formed, what we could do and could not. How is the creator not responsible? The whole story plain stinks. I was a programmer for many years and wrote many hundreds of programs to do certain things. I could write a program that would say "I Love You" every morning. Or I could have friends that choose to like me or love me. Try and look at God in that manner. He cold have made us perfect and have no choice, but that s not love that is programming. I had a wife that needed me and got upset because I didn't need her. The difference is I wanted her. When her need was no longer there she left. God loves all of us even when we we sin. Read the Bible and look at the heroes, David oved God yet committed murder and adultery. Peter denied Christ, Paul was responsible for Timothy's death yet is also responsible for most of the non-gospel books of the New Testament. Every hero depicted n the Bible was flawed in some way, yet they all were loved by the God who created them. Hitler demanded love and devotion as did Mao, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot and so many others. There was no choice. I have a choice and I choose to love God and to "try" and be like Jesus. I really do suck at that, but I try. here is a parting thought, suppose you are right and I am wrong, what have I lost? Now reverse that and suppose that I am right and you are wrong, what do you lose???? |
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You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself. Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry. I don't believe in a God that uses fear to get what it wants, sorry I just don't. Any being on this earth that would tell you "love me or I will ensure you die and burn" would be seen as a monster and quite rightly. Why is it then that God can do the same thing and it's suddenly ok? Why do we expect more out of ourselves, than we do out of a God that is supposed to be higher than us spiritually? Why do we worship a God that is effectively less loving than we? It makes no sense. If anything we should expect MORE out of a being claiming to be divine.....not less. If you are in a pool and are drowning and I throw you a rope and you tell me that you don't believe the rope will save you and you drown. Is it my fault? God doesn't send you to Hell, He lets you go of your own free will. It also says that it grieves Him for this to happen. I may feel grief because you drowned and I had the only answer to your safety and you refused it, but I will not feel responsible. I would rather be wanted than to be needed. That is where we differ from God. We need Him, but He wants us. |
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Very soon the whole world will believe that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD!
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Very soon the whole world will believe that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD! Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that jesus christ is Lord. How much better for those of us who do so now :-) |
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You can believe whatever you like. As far as I know, Christianity is the only way to get to Heaven. If you pass away and don't come back as an eagle, you had no one to blame but yourself. Oh! Had i know, i would've believe this while i was in the earth. May it not be our cry. I don't believe in a God that uses fear to get what it wants, sorry I just don't. Any being on this earth that would tell you "love me or I will ensure you die and burn" would be seen as a monster and quite rightly. Why is it then that God can do the same thing and it's suddenly ok? Why do we expect more out of ourselves, than we do out of a God that is supposed to be higher than us spiritually? Why do we worship a God that is effectively less loving than we? It makes no sense. If anything we should expect MORE out of a being claiming to be divine.....not less. "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son Jesus Christ to die for "ALL" our sins." Now I can already hear the retort that "well He knew he would come back to lie in 3 days." That is true, but do you have nay idea of the pain and suffering involved in being crucified. The scourging first being whipped with a 9 tentacled bone tipped whip. Being punched in the face so many times that you are unrecognizable and then being stripped naked and nailed to cross to suffocate slowly. Any volunteeers? |
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Very soon the whole world will believe that JESUS CHRIST IS LORD! Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that jesus christ is Lord. How much better for those of us who do so now :-) Now is the time to receive, and believe, and accept Him. No one knows when He'll come, not even the angels. It will be too late to make the decision when it will be happening in the air. |
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Absolutely not. The pictures we see of Jesus were what many of the old masters idea was. Since Jews have been on the out list for so long it would not have been "cool" to depict Him as a Jew, but that is what He is. As to His return, Revelation tells us that no man knows the hour or day. We are told that he will come like a thief in the night. We are to expect Him at any time and to be ready. There are 2 returns depicted. The first is when all believers dead or alive will be caught up in the clouds and the trbulation period of 7 years will begin. The second time will be on the final judgement day. If you hear about any plane/car crashes and people disappearing leavng only clothes behind you might stop and ask yourself, "Oops did I get this Christian thing wrong?" You will go through the tribulation and will have a chance at "making things right", but it won't be easy and you might be killed because of it. Try reading the Left Behind series by Tim LeHaye and Jerry Jenkins. Excellent books even for non-believers. The story is about fictional characters nd events, but they are biblically accurate. after the 7 years is not the final Judgment it is not until the 1000 year regiegn. |
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here is a parting thought, suppose you are right and I am wrong, what have I lost? Now reverse that and suppose that I am right and you are wrong, what do you lose???? bibarnes said the above. Do you really think it is about who is right and who is wrong? Is your reasoning all about choosing the right horse in a horse race? This last question sounds like it. So many people 'claim' to believe because they have been told that if they do not believe they will go to hell. So many people spend their lives trying to convince themselves and others that they believe because they are afraid of the consequences of their "non belief." My point is that believing a lie that makes you feel safe is still believing a lie. People don't understand what real salvation is. It is not about believing a myth about a savior who will return to take them to heaven. Real salvation is your own inner transformation to become like God or the Christ. To do that you live in love, you love others, and in doing this, you act accordingly. When your thoughts and actions are motivated by love you don't need rules and commandments. No commandment can order a person to love. Love is one thing that is given freely. God cannot order you to love your neighbor or anyone else for that matter including him/it. You either realize what life is all about or you don't. It is hard for people to love God because they don't know what God is. People cannot fathom what God is so they create a man who represents God and they worship him as if he is God. It is hard if not impossible to love something you cannot see or touch or feel so you have to imagine that Jesus or someone else is God. But God is within us. That feeling of love for life, love for others, gratitude, kindness, compassion that flows through us. That is an attribute of God and we are the channels for that attribute. God expresses love through all of his creations, particularly humans. God is love, and when you feel love you are channeling for God. The question was "Do Christians really truly believe that Jesus is coming back?" In their lifetime? I see them cling to life fearing death because they do not truly know if what they claim to believe is true. One of the reasons they work so hard trying to convince others is because they need someone to agree with them, but they still do not believe. They all have doubts. I have no doubts about my belief about love. It is the right path to take towards eternal life in spirit because love is the creative element. If you want life, you must go the path of love. If you don't want life, you can sink into darkness of self hate, because all love is self love and all hate is self hate. We are all connected in the body of God. |
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Absolutely not. The pictures we see of Jesus were what many of the old masters idea was. Since Jews have been on the out list for so long it would not have been "cool" to depict Him as a Jew, but that is what He is. As to His return, Revelation tells us that no man knows the hour or day. We are told that he will come like a thief in the night. We are to expect Him at any time and to be ready. There are 2 returns depicted. The first is when all believers dead or alive will be caught up in the clouds and the trbulation period of 7 years will begin. The second time will be on the final judgement day. If you hear about any plane/car crashes and people disappearing leavng only clothes behind you might stop and ask yourself, "Oops did I get this Christian thing wrong?" You will go through the tribulation and will have a chance at "making things right", but it won't be easy and you might be killed because of it. Try reading the Left Behind series by Tim LeHaye and Jerry Jenkins. Excellent books even for non-believers. The story is about fictional characters nd events, but they are biblically accurate. |
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here is a parting thought, suppose you are right and I am wrong, what have I lost? Now reverse that and suppose that I am right and you are wrong, what do you lose???? bibarnes said the above. Do you really think it is about who is right and who is wrong? Is your reasoning all about choosing the right horse in a horse race? This last question sounds like it. So many people 'claim' to believe because they have been told that if they do not believe they will go to hell. So many people spend their lives trying to convince themselves and others that they believe because they are afraid of the consequences of their "non belief." My point is that believing a lie that makes you feel safe is still believing a lie. People don't understand what real salvation is. It is not about believing a myth about a savior who will return to take them to heaven. Real salvation is your own inner transformation to become like God or the Christ. To do that you live in love, you love others, and in doing this, you act accordingly. When your thoughts and actions are motivated by love you don't need rules and commandments. No commandment can order a person to love. Love is one thing that is given freely. God cannot order you to love your neighbor or anyone else for that matter including him/it. You either realize what life is all about or you don't. It is hard for people to love God because they don't know what God is. People cannot fathom what God is so they create a man who represents God and they worship him as if he is God. It is hard if not impossible to love something you cannot see or touch or feel so you have to imagine that Jesus or someone else is God. But God is within us. That feeling of love for life, love for others, gratitude, kindness, compassion that flows through us. That is an attribute of God and we are the channels for that attribute. God expresses love through all of his creations, particularly humans. God is love, and when you feel love you are channeling for God. The question was "Do Christians really truly believe that Jesus is coming back?" In their lifetime? I see them cling to life fearing death because they do not truly know if what they claim to believe is true. One of the reasons they work so hard trying to convince others is because they need someone to agree with them, but they still do not believe. They all have doubts. I have no doubts about my belief about love. It is the right path to take towards eternal life in spirit because love is the creative element. If you want life, you must go the path of love. If you don't want life, you can sink into darkness of self hate, because all love is self love and all hate is self hate. We are all connected in the body of God. Wow.. This part of your posts is a great understand of what the writer of Hebrews was conveying.. You are very knowlegable whether you.. know it or no Those words speak of the oracles of Life. Live for it Quote. Real salvation is your own inner transformation to become like God or the Christ. To do that you live in love, you love others, and in doing this, you act accordingly. When your thoughts and actions are motivated by love you don't need rules and commandments. No commandment can order a person to love. Love is one thing that is given freely. God cannot order you to love your neighbor or anyone else for that matter including him/it. You either realize what life is all about or you don't.  
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Edited by
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Again, God does not send us to hell. Only we can send ourselves
there by ignoring, rejecting or by being unbelievers of God. Like it says in the Bible " all non believers will be thrown into the lake of fire". I didn't say that, Jesus did. Why should I respect a person who only cares for what it wants, not what I do? Is that really what love does? It's not to me. Love is not selfish, your Bible even says that, to demand things is the antithesis of that. Respect is a two way street, if I am not respected, what's the point of giving it back? And you are full of crap on the 2nd, God can ALWAYS choose to not damn anyone.....no one realistically would choose that for themselves......God is the one that makes it possible. So yeah he entirely DOES send us there since no one else can do it but the creator. And no matter if "we do it" or not, it's still completely unloving. Not a God worth worshipping to me at all, who would do such a thing. People damn themselves. Why would God let corrupted people into Heaven? People he knows could turn Heaven upside down? Heaven is for the people who aren't full of sin, and have redeemed themselves of sin, by praying to God, saying they believe that Jesus came down to earth, died for our sins. By paying our penalty in full, by believing and repenting for our sins. Also believing that after he died, he was resurrected on the third day, ascending back into Heaven. Lastly that he is our Lord and Savior. No, God hasn't put his creations (us all) onto the earth to let them run around to do whatever is in our "sinful nature", which is another thing. Do people want to be unbelievers because they don't really believe? Or is it they don't believe because it stands in their way of committing sin they know in their heart isn't right? |
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Again, God does not send us to hell. Only we can send ourselves there by ignoring, rejecting or by being unbelievers of God. Like it says in the Bible " all non believers will be thrown into the lake of fire". I didn't say that, Jesus did. Why should I respect a person who only cares for what it wants, not what I do? Is that really what love does? It's not to me. Love is not selfish, your Bible even says that, to demand things is the antithesis of that. Respect is a two way street, if I am not respected, what's the point of giving it back? And you are full of crap on the 2nd, God can ALWAYS choose to not damn anyone.....no one realistically would choose that for themselves......God is the one that makes it possible. So yeah he entirely DOES send us there since no one else can do it but the creator. And no matter if "we do it" or not, it's still completely unloving. Not a God worth worshipping to me at all, who would do such a thing. People damn themselves. Why would God let corrupted people into Heaven? People he knows could turn Heaven upside down? Heaven is for the people who aren't full of sin, and have redeemed themselves of sin, by praying to God, saying they believe that Jesus came down to earth, died for our sins. By paying our penalty in full, by believing and repenting for our sins. Also believing that after he died, he was resurrected on the third day, ascending back into Heaven. Lastly that he is our Lord and Savior. No, God hasn't put his creations (us all) onto the earth to let them run around to do whatever is in our "sinful nature", which is another thing. Do people want to be unbelievers because they don't really believe? Or is it they don't believe because it stands in their way of committing sin they know in their heart isn't right? People want to be unbelievers not because they don't really believe, but because it stands in their way of commiting sin they know in their heart isn't right. Oh....no! The road is narrow. JESUS CHRIST is the way to heaven and we believers strive for the narrow way to heaven, for many shall seek to enter in, and shall not be able (LUKE 13: 24). |
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