I keep reminding you of the organ lessons because i have made circulatory statements reminding you for what,a year or so may be longer.....Now it's turned into a vocal thingy,i'm shocked and stimulated at the same time.Meaning you can sing to me or vocal me anytime

Hi new to this site. The remark GOD is not a loveing god. If you are referring to the GOD of the bible then you are wrong first GOD CHOOSES HOW MANY HE SAVES BASE ON HIS CHOICE BEFORE ANYTHING THAT WAS MADE MADE.BEFORE TIME ITSELF WAS.AND HE CHOOSES AT HIS WILL NOTICE I SAID CHOOSES NOT CHOOSE. FOR HE is the same today as yesterday it is called election.GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO MAKE ATONEMENT FOR US. THAT SON BEING JESUS AND ALL COME TO JESUS ARE BEING TAUGHT OF GOD ...DRAWN BY GOD...TO COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF JESUS. Jesus says that the world may know that I love the father I go to the cross.so to say that GOD IS NOT LOVEING THAT REMARK DOESN'T make sense.

He's loving and yet he actively ALLOWS people to perish under his watch being able to prevent it but choosing not to on a whim? Yeah ok........

and why is perishing such a terrible thing in your view?

did you ever consider this life is struggle and pain and illness and 'perishing' from it may actually be escaping it for a paradise instead,,,,

yep,for that Glorious Jailbreak of the Grave!

i see it a little differently... most god believers use god like a spare tire, good for when you need him, and forget about it the rest of the time... then, when bad things happen, the question is usually "where was god then"...

i think the ideas of what god is are being taught wrong. god wouldn't be a loving god, but more of a fair and balanced type. meaning bad things will happen, no matter who you are, as life goes on.

you asked what about those that dont get the chance to escape,,,they get a chance to seek God,, they get a chance to be reborn, they suffer and it is always an awful thing in the flesh to suffer physically or mentally or emotionally

BUT that is the consequence of giving EVERYONE free will, the other option would be just to control everyones actions and words, to have in effect a species of robots


we are free humans and as HUMANS we choose to do terrible things to each other,,,,and sometimes its easy to blame he who created us instead of taking on the self accountability,,,

Should the person that got kidnapped and raped for over a decade take on the "self-accountability". Get serious, someone in that situation most likely stops believing in any form of god after the first year or so.

Lol, sorry, that's a little funny. That's kind of the equivalent of stating "I'm not racist, I hate all colors equally". Oh and bad things don't happen to everyone, there's those born into rich families that find their lives quite prosperous and never suffer any hardships, or as they call it in America "the upper 1%".

Organ lesson thing a little off topic, but then this is a dating site, so no harm done :P

I very much agree with what Kleisto said. The primary argument of any religious person usually does just lead in circles, god exists that's the end of it, I won't hear any different. That's why I speak of brainwashing, only someone completely brainwashed would have such a narrow view of things.

Schools(as far as I know) could not legally speak against god in any manner(and I don't suppose you were including religious based schools in your arguement?)and it is rare to see it done in any legit form of media and even if it was, what kids are watching legit forms of media anyways, most of them stick to cartoons until they get past the age of 12-14 or so. Would you believe so powerfully in religion if it was taught to you at the age of 18? Several years after you learned that all the other superheros and holiday icons are fakes? It's taught to impressionable minds and rarely spoken against so that by the time the "true believers" are grown up they never speak against it. It is also correct that a lot of fear mongering is used in order to make people believe. If you don't believe then you will go to hell, if you don't believe then you're screwed come judgement day, god is ALWAYS watching you.

And to the god lover in full caps, you don't make your case sound any better by typing in caps, I picture you being either a child or one of those religious whackos that stand on the corner and scream about the wrath of god.(no offense intended to anyone else here, but the full caps guy needs to slow down on the caffeine pills).

Msharmony, I can understand the idea of "escaping" to the afterlife if that is what you so believe, but what about those that aren't given that chance. For instance, people that are kidnapped at an early age and beaten and raped for a decade or more, is that not a "terrible" thing in your view?

Em... my "handle" are you speaking of the name Lazarus, or the blue exorcist(rin) avatar? I've had lazarus in my online names for over a decade now, he was a character in the first Diablo game. If I remember correctly there was someone from the bible named lazarus, I don't know the story though. As for Rin, he's the half demon spawn of satan that just wants to be human. Pretty awesome show but I didn't take the username or the avatar based on religious beliefs or diss-beliefs. On a side note I highly recommend blue exorcist(AKA: ao no exorcist) for those that watch anime :)

Jesus could speak what, 24 diff languages or something, so why is it that the bible was only written into one language then roughly translated for every other language. That seems like a pretty bad oversight for the all knowing god.(correct me if I'm wrong about the language based stuff) And as far as I know, Jesus himself did not write the bible, but to the people that did write his teachings, what did he say? Something like "go forth, spread my word and let it be roughly translated by you whom I deem to be "imperfect beings"."

That in mind, would not a smart god that is not stupid have had the bible written(word for word) in several parts of the world at the same time, so as to strengthen the belief of the people and prove his existence as a god? Oh not to mention that it would have strengthened our bond as humans, we would have been brought together under a common god. But as it stands god's screw up caused multiple religious based wars from people believing different religions based on altered translations of the bible or just made up ****.

no, humans take accountability that we become and produce the types of personalities that can DO those things to others,,,

the child doesnt have accountability,, but they do exist as humans amongst humans and all the RISKS that come with the human beings free will,,,,

and Im sure many stop believing when such terrible things happen,,but it rains on the just and the unjust alike


we are connected, and that connection sometimes rains down the consequences of our HUMAN wrongs on humans that are trying to do right,,,,

actually,Lazarus was the Guy who supposedly got reawakened after being dead four days!

First in reply to Winlei. Movies are scripted, but that particular movie was based on a true story and as much as it was aimed at entertainment value, it was also aimed to open people's eyes to the everyday realities that those of us that live in first world countries rarely or never hear of. As gruesome as the event from the movie that I described was, it does happen in reality. One cannot simply wear rose colored sunglasses and expect the world to change.

In reply to msharmony's first point. Would you consider the deaths and murders of innocent children to be "just"? No matter how you describe his state of being, it comes down to a simple standing of right vs wrong. If a man whom is bulletproof stands there from start to finish watching another man shoot and kill someone then is he not just as guilty as the one that pulled the trigger?

I would have to at least partially disagree with your second point. While it has always been my personal belief that if a god did not exist then the world would(likely)be ripe with chaos for the reason you mentioned. I certainly don't think in the least that it would be easier and more desirable for a god not to exist. For starters, people are not designed to be self sustaining. I've seen even the worst of people often go to their peers to ask for advice. We crumble without the wisdom and guidance of other people.

My point being that it's 100% easier for us to follow a path laid out for us by a "god" than to thread our own path. When people do walk their own path they often end up lost and that's when they end up defaulting back to the god path. Our race is young and still learning, perhaps some of us still need the god-crutch. but as psychology and understanding of the human mind advances, eventually we'll all learn to walk our own path. One not paved with slavery, prejudice, war and murder(All things promoted and condoned by organized religion).

If a cult murdered a few dozen people that didn't follow their practices, would you follow that cult? How about a religion that murdered over 100 million people for not following their beliefs? Because the majority of Americans and Canadians already are, that religion is called Christianity. Now I'm not here to bash one religion in particular. I think most of them have committed their fair share of crimes. But Christianity really tops the cake. From be-headings of pagans(non-believers)to witch hunts(burning people at the stake)to all out wars and genocides all in the name of Christianity. And when Columbus "founded" America he slaved away the native settlers and had them converted from non-religious to Christianity. So it's a religion that's been forced upon Americans from day one, and now we brainwash our kids with it. Again I'm not saying Christianity is the worst religion by any means, I'm only using it as my primary example as it best fits my point.

I'm sorry but if you're not brainwashed idk what else to call it. If a god really does exist he has one f*cked up sense of humor and would be more likely to burn us with a giant magnifying glass like ants than to let us into the "kingdom of heaven".

brainwashed into believing HUMANS are responsible for what they do to each other,,,,????

fine, guilty as charged,,,

All I can say that it's personal between the two of you. Religion Is Religion. If you are seek to justify what's in the world than you're going about it the wrong way! You aren't going to understand until you receive His Spirit. No one will! If you are hungry for the truth Seek HIM out! No one can really tell you Who He is or How he is...you have to experience Him! His words won't mean anything to you or be even be able to comprehend! Again you want answers You have to put aside everything that you have built up ...and let heart do the talking and seeking...that's all I can say! As far as the world Goes and it views and religion even I don't understand it either. It's cold, deadly, ruthless, heart stopping and oppressive ...He's SOOoOooOo Beyond what the world teaches and speaks of! I love Him so much sometimes it hurts...In a good way! Just to let you know ...I was near death ready to take my life and spoke to me! My heart cried out so Loud and he heard me came to me. I don't know what I'd do without Him...It's about you and Him together a Relationship THAT NO ONE can TOUCH! Put aside you anger and seek HIM Out...Yes the best way to get the answers you need!