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in some states anyway.. here is the question:
So now that same sex marriage is going to be legal, here is my question. Do these people have to be gay? Is being gay a requirement? Just wondering. |
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in some states anyway.. here is the question: So now that same sex marriage is going to be legal, here is my question. Do these people have to be gay? Is being gay a requirement? Just wondering. It would be the same kind of fraud 2 opposite sex couples do when they marry. |
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OK, suppose two heterosexual dudes got married in Idaho or Maine. Why does it matter if they're not gay? Who would even ask? If somebody did ask and the two dudes openly state that they're not gay. Would you believe them? Should it matter whether you believed them?
To answer you question, there's no law that says two people have to love each other, or even feel a sexual attraction toward each other, in order to get married. However, given the legal aspects of a marriage, you really do need to love or have some respect for the person you marry. |
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legally, its not consummated without sex
so,, good luck with the heterosexual thing If things go wrong,,cause all those married perks will be out the window....and fraud might apply |
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legally, its not consummated without sex so,, good luck with the heterosexual thing If things go wrong,,cause all those married perks will be out the window....and fraud might apply Good luck disproving the consummation in court, or finding a state law that forfeits one of the partners' legal rights in a separation. As far as I could find, the only thing that the lack of a consummation leaves is that the marriage can still be annulled. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/26/13 08:34 PM
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legally, its not consummated without sex so,, good luck with the heterosexual thing If things go wrong,,cause all those married perks will be out the window....and fraud might apply Really? Care to show me that particular law and demonstrate how it is enforced? So okay, two heterosexuals, a man and a woman, want to marry. Who verifies "consummation" these days? NO ONE!! No one verified consummation when I was married to either of my husbands. We each had separate bedrooms too. So, I don't think the State is going to get very far demanding proof of consummation for two same sex couples... they don't do it for opposite sex couples. So, I don't think so. |
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legally, its not consummated without sex so,, good luck with the heterosexual thing If things go wrong,,cause all those married perks will be out the window....and fraud might apply Good luck disproving the consummation in court, or finding a state law that forfeits one of the partners' legal rights in a separation. As far as I could find, the only thing that the lack of a consummation leaves is that the marriage can still be annulled. that's my point, good luck professing to be heterosexual while also trying to prove marriage was consummated with someone of the same sex cant have it both ways, if you are able to prove consummation, by definition, you cant be truly or specifically 'heterosexual' Divorce and annulment are both legal procedures designed to dissolve a marriage. However, a divorce ends a marriage and an annulment voids the original marriage contract, so it's as if the marriage never occurred. I without the consummation, legally, its as if the marriage never occurred..,... |
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In Colorado, when a man an a woman live together, establish a residence together in the same house, if they do not have a contract stating that they are roomates sharing rent, and not to be considered married, they can be classified as a common law married couple.
Consummation is assumed. That will probably have to change, because what happens to "common law marriage" when it come to same sex couples? Will every person sharing a house or apartment need to have separate lease agreements stating the nature of their relationship? It is set in stone if you ever introduce the other as "wife" or "husband" or probably "better half" to a group or if you receive mail as Mr. and Mrs. |
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I think it would be fraud just like sham marriages for a green card, etc. or like that movie- Chuck and Larry, where they married for health insurance
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legally, its not consummated without sex so,, good luck with the heterosexual thing If things go wrong,,cause all those married perks will be out the window....and fraud might apply Good luck disproving the consummation in court, or finding a state law that forfeits one of the partners' legal rights in a separation. As far as I could find, the only thing that the lack of a consummation leaves is that the marriage can still be annulled. that's my point, good luck professing to be heterosexual while also trying to prove marriage was consummated with someone of the same sex cant have it both ways, if you are able to prove consummation, by definition, you cant be truly or specifically 'heterosexual' Divorce and annulment are both legal procedures designed to dissolve a marriage. However, a divorce ends a marriage and an annulment voids the original marriage contract, so it's as if the marriage never occurred. I without the consummation, legally, its as if the marriage never occurred..,... without the consummation, legally, its as if the marriage never occurred..,... Since consummation police don't exist, the term "legally" is a moot point. If a couple has a marriage licence and a ceremony, consummation is assumed. The difficult part is proving it did not occur in cases of trying to get an annulment. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/26/13 08:47 PM
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I think it would be fraud just like sham marriages for a green card, etc. or like that movie- Chuck and Larry, where they married for health insurance Why would it be fraud? If a man and a woman got married, consummation is assumed. There are no consummation police or enforcement of consummation for married couples who are heterosexual, so there can't be any for same sex couples. THAT WOULD BE DISCRIMINATION to treat them any differently. If you are not having sex with your spouse, is your marriage a fraud? Is only a single sex act required? If so, who in the legal community or church will witness this consummation? |
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I like it u
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Wed 06/26/13 08:51 PM
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My point is, the same sex marriage, should not require consummation therefore it should not be required that these two people are homosexual.
For what ever reason they want to share their lives together, the state should not be dictating or monitoring what goes on in their bedrooms. Maybe they are best friends, and maybe they want to share the raising of a child, or buy a house etc. If the state is going to get involved in the bedroom activities of same sex couples, then they may have to invent consummation police for heterosexual couples too. |
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if marriage doesn't require consummation, that's all the more reason to allow family members to marry,,,
and I believe such a stand on marriage , what it is and isn't, what it should and shouldn't be will break down to just that its not the governments business to regulate or mandate sex therefore its not their place to disallow siblings from marrying or other family members or best friends or roommates from entering into a marriage with all the responsibility and perks that government assigns to it,,, |
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if marriage doesn't require consummation, that's all the more reason to allow family members to marry,,, and I believe such a stand on marriage , what it is and isn't, what it should and shouldn't be will break down to just that its not the governments business to regulate or mandate sex therefore its not their place to disallow siblings from marrying or other family members or best friends or roommates from entering into a marriage with all the responsibility and perks that government assigns to it,,, This is a very good point you make. If 'marriage' is not about sex, then siblings, friends, roomates, business partners etc. should be allowed. If not, then the government has to monitor the sex lives of married couples. How strange. |
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So the only sane solution, if you still want to allow "same sex" couples to get married, there should have to be a rule that they have to be homosexual.
So they are going to have to make marriage about sex. This means if you get married, you will be required to have witnesses not only to your marriage ceremony, but witnesses to your sexual consummation. Otherwise, siblings, roommates, friends, business partners, cousins, regardless of their sexual orientation will have to be allowed to marry. |
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In Colorado, when a man an a woman live together, establish a residence together in the same house, if they do not have a contract stating that they are roomates sharing rent, and not to be considered married, they can be classified as a common law married couple. Consummation is assumed. That will probably have to change, because what happens to "common law marriage" when it come to same sex couples? Will every person sharing a house or apartment need to have separate lease agreements stating the nature of their relationship? It is set in stone if you ever introduce the other as "wife" or "husband" or probably "better half" to a group or if you receive mail as Mr. and Mrs. This is incorrect. In colorado they must agree to be husband and wife and state in public to be man and wife. They don't need a contract saying they are not. |
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So the only sane solution, if you still want to allow "same sex" couples to get married, there should have to be a rule that they have to be homosexual. So they are going to have to make marriage about sex. This means if you get married, you will be required to have witnesses not only to your marriage ceremony, but witnesses to your sexual consummation. Otherwise, siblings, roommates, friends, business partners, cousins, regardless of their sexual orientation will have to be allowed to marry. but its not about the sexual behavior, its about the 'rights' that come with it so it follows, that we shouldn't be denying any of the above mentioned americans their right to marry either,,,,,,regardless of their sexual relaton or lack there of |
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What is the next step?
Siblings, pedo rights or marrying an animal? |
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