Topic: ‘Conspiracy theorists’ sane;
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Mon 07/29/13 08:38 AM
Edited by jagbird on Mon 07/29/13 08:43 AM


Forget about 911... That will stay buried for years..

You should be more concerned with what really happened to cause the recent financial crisis.., because that is still on-going.., with more hands still in the pie...

CBC Newsworld has some great takes on it.. and your own Michael Moore has a pretty detailed movie/documentary about it.. (not always the greatest source of truth.., but he nailed it with this one)..


Oh I know what happened there.
Theft, greed, gambling on derivatives, short selling, corruption, lies, propaganda, etc.

Greedy Elite and corrupt banksters.

It's more preparation of hoarding & making a last "money grab", before the Earth Changes turn more severe (very shortly)... These guys know what's going to happen.., but don't t want mass hysteria and/or more people than they can handle trying to access their bunkers... Several locations in the USA already have stock-piled their rations...

In the meantime, though..., they play the "I don't believe card" to try and dissuade others from looking at the facts more closely.. More "dis-information techniques".., at their disposal..

It's the last of the "old school" thinkers making a grab for all they can get.., even though their "money" won't do them that much good, when the changes hit full force... It will be more a matter of who knows how to survive without all the bells & whistles.., at that point in time..

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Mon 07/29/13 08:48 AM
Edited by jagbird on Mon 07/29/13 08:55 AM

....Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?

nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Thanks, Moe.., but I'm really not looking to be "right"... In fact, I really hope I am wrong, in what I have been privvy to...

But.., in no way am I "worried".., as my concept of life doesn't end, with physical death... I have faced death (of the body) more than a few times in my life, already..

But.., yes... There are many more important things to be concerned about right now, than money... Even if the truth came out about everything, we can't change the past... Only the future.. Finding out what happened won't change a past outcome.., but finding more evidence of what they are doing right now, could possibly help some to open a few more doors for the future..

..and remember something people.., before you discuss actual names/numbers/people/events... The military had their own cell phones and Internet LONG before they were made public... It's a great way for the powers that be to keep tabs on everyone.., but even more so, to monitor everyone's activities and words..

But.., don't let it make you paranoid... They have been doing this for decades... and in NO WAY.. am I making any negative comments to the military people themselves... They are just following someone else's orders..



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Mon 07/29/13 09:07 AM


....Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?

nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Thanks, Moe.., but I'm really not looking to be "right"... In fact, I really hope I am wrong, in what I have been privvy to...

But.., in no way am I "worried".., as my concept of life doesn't end, with physical death... I have faced death (of the body) more than a few times in my life, already..

But.., yes... There are many more important things to be concerned about right now, than money... Even if the truth came out about everything, we can't change the past... Only the future.. Finding out what happened won't change a past outcome.., but finding more evidence of what they are doing right now, could possibly help some to open a few more doors for the future..

..and remember something people.., before you discuss actual names/numbers/people/events... The military had their own cell phones and Internet LONG before they were made public... It's a great way for the powers that be to keep tabs on everyone.., but even more so, to monitor everyone's activities and words..

But.., don't let it make you paranoid... They have been doing this for decades... and in NO WAY.. am I making any negative comments to the military people themselves... They are just following someone else's orders..





what you are right in is that there are more pressing things to worry about.

i believe that everyone could live happy, but our people we put in the government does not want people to be happy. depressed people are easier to control, while people that are pissed off cause problems for them. thats why getting mad can get you thrown in jail...

they do seem to get rid of anyone that can cause a problem for them...

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Mon 07/29/13 09:12 AM
Edited by jagbird on Mon 07/29/13 09:13 AM

.....what you are right in is that there are more pressing things to worry about.

i believe that everyone could live happy, but our people we put in the government does not want people to be happy. depressed people are easier to control, while people that are pissed off cause problems for them. thats why getting mad can get you thrown in jail...

they do seem to get rid of anyone that can cause a problem for them...


For me.., it all goes back to an old book: PLATO: THE REPUBLIC...

That's what the basis for government usually follows...

The internet is actually making it harder for them, now.., as communication/information is shared much faster.., so it is a double-edged sword for them..

I would advise more people to read the "tiny" writing in your cell-phone manuals, though... There will be an abundance of brain cancer, in the near future..


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Mon 07/29/13 10:34 AM



just another roundabout way,to start yet another 9/11-Thread!:laughing:


Conrad we don't need a roundabout way to start another 9/11 thread.
If we want to start another 9/11 thread we will just start it.

Until the official account of what happened on 9-11 makes sense and is proven with some real verifiable facts instead of a perpentrated fiction about some Muslim terrorist group Al Qaeda (that does not actually exist)-- there will always be a reason to start another 9/11 thread.


whoa

Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?



That is when hell freezes over. laugh laugh


nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If people were more aware how much the Elite and their puppet governments are screwing them over, maybe, just maybe they will rise up and stop consenting to being screwed.

So no, we don't forget and we don't forgive.


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Mon 07/29/13 10:53 AM




just another roundabout way,to start yet another 9/11-Thread!:laughing:


Conrad we don't need a roundabout way to start another 9/11 thread.
If we want to start another 9/11 thread we will just start it.

Until the official account of what happened on 9-11 makes sense and is proven with some real verifiable facts instead of a perpentrated fiction about some Muslim terrorist group Al Qaeda (that does not actually exist)-- there will always be a reason to start another 9/11 thread.


whoa

Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?



That is when hell freezes over. laugh laugh


nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If people were more aware how much the Elite and their puppet governments are screwing them over, maybe, just maybe they will rise up and stop consenting to being screwed.

So no, we don't forget and we don't forgive.




whoa

makes sense... worry about the past, that we cannot change, but don't worry about the future, which we can change...

and this is a sane way of thinking?

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Mon 07/29/13 12:24 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 07/29/13 12:26 PM





just another roundabout way,to start yet another 9/11-Thread!:laughing:


Conrad we don't need a roundabout way to start another 9/11 thread.
If we want to start another 9/11 thread we will just start it.

Until the official account of what happened on 9-11 makes sense and is proven with some real verifiable facts instead of a perpentrated fiction about some Muslim terrorist group Al Qaeda (that does not actually exist)-- there will always be a reason to start another 9/11 thread.


whoa

Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?



That is when hell freezes over. laugh laugh


nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If people were more aware how much the Elite and their puppet governments are screwing them over, maybe, just maybe they will rise up and stop consenting to being screwed.

So no, we don't forget and we don't forgive.




whoa

makes sense... worry about the past, that we cannot change, but don't worry about the future, which we can change...

and this is a sane way of thinking?





I don't suggest 'worrying' about anything.
However You should learn from the past.

These Elite who are attempting to control the entire monetary system of the world do the same tired old tricks over and over and over. They have little imagination, and they follow strict guidelines that always apparently work on the dumb clueless people of this earth.

But like cattle being lead to the slaughterhouse the people are mostly clueless. They forget so quickly.

Dumb animals are how the Elite think of the general public.

But there are some who don't forget (why should we?) and they also don't forgive... simply because they are still being lied to and screwed.

You don't forget and you don't forgive. You can't forgive someone who is not remorseful and continues to steal, cheat, lie and murder your people.








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Tue 07/30/13 10:02 AM
Don't worry... Be happy... :tongue: laugh

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:09 PM
So lets do a mind experiment lets assume Osama did 911 what really happened? we lost three buildings and several hundred lives.

What was our response? two bankrupting wars and spying on every one every were costing us TRILLIONS, looks like the bad guys won.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:14 PM




just another roundabout way,to start yet another 9/11-Thread!:laughing:


Conrad we don't need a roundabout way to start another 9/11 thread.
If we want to start another 9/11 thread we will just start it.

Until the official account of what happened on 9-11 makes sense and is proven with some real verifiable facts instead of a perpentrated fiction about some Muslim terrorist group Al Qaeda (that does not actually exist)-- there will always be a reason to start another 9/11 thread.


whoa

Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?



That is when hell freezes over. laugh laugh


nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If people were more aware how much the Elite and their puppet governments are screwing them over, maybe, just maybe they will rise up and stop consenting to being screwed.

So no, we don't forget and we don't forgive.




i knew you wouldn't answer the question...

mightymoe's photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:17 PM

So lets do a mind experiment lets assume Osama did 911 what really happened? we lost three buildings and several hundred lives.

What was our response? two bankrupting wars and spying on every one every were costing us TRILLIONS, looks like the bad guys won.


that was his plan from the beginning... he stated that in the 90's...
and look what happened


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Tue 07/30/13 01:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 07/30/13 01:21 PM





just another roundabout way,to start yet another 9/11-Thread!:laughing:


Conrad we don't need a roundabout way to start another 9/11 thread.
If we want to start another 9/11 thread we will just start it.

Until the official account of what happened on 9-11 makes sense and is proven with some real verifiable facts instead of a perpentrated fiction about some Muslim terrorist group Al Qaeda (that does not actually exist)-- there will always be a reason to start another 9/11 thread.


whoa

Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?



That is when hell freezes over. laugh laugh


nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If people were more aware how much the Elite and their puppet governments are screwing them over, maybe, just maybe they will rise up and stop consenting to being screwed.

So no, we don't forget and we don't forgive.




i knew you wouldn't answer the question...


Why should I??

I have a policy that I don't answer hypothetical questions ESPECIALLY highly unlikely hypothetical questions. In a court room once I was asked a hypothecial question under oath and this was my answer:

"It would depend on my state of mind at the time."

So if you insist on having an answer, that is it.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:22 PM
epiphany

so , here I am, amongst people that obviously don't believe they are 'free' in this country, and who believe the system doesn't work the way its supposed to for the people

and I, likewise, believe the system can stand to be fixed, but I don't have the same reasons that I believe its not working


I keep hearing about how the authorities who are charged in their position to keep americans SAFE are abusive to americans rights and need to be restrained,,, I haven't heard what the balance should be,, how much restraint is too much and counterproductive to protection,,,for instance


I keep stating how authorities , that operate within a biased culture, who are charged in their position to keep americnas SAFE,, appear to be have more biased concern with some segments of 'americans' than others,,,,,,



,,,so its interesting that people can be having such a diverse perception of government, all living under the same one,,,

,,,just a thought

mightymoe's photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:24 PM






just another roundabout way,to start yet another 9/11-Thread!:laughing:


Conrad we don't need a roundabout way to start another 9/11 thread.
If we want to start another 9/11 thread we will just start it.

Until the official account of what happened on 9-11 makes sense and is proven with some real verifiable facts instead of a perpentrated fiction about some Muslim terrorist group Al Qaeda (that does not actually exist)-- there will always be a reason to start another 9/11 thread.


whoa

Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?



That is when hell freezes over. laugh laugh


nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If people were more aware how much the Elite and their puppet governments are screwing them over, maybe, just maybe they will rise up and stop consenting to being screwed.

So no, we don't forget and we don't forgive.




i knew you wouldn't answer the question...


Why should I??

I have a policy that I don't answer hypothetical questions ESPECIALLY highly unlikely hypothetical questions. In a court room once I was asked a hypothecial question under oath and this was my answer:

"It would depend on my state of mind at the time."

So if you insist on having an answer, that is it.


the whole purpose of asking questions is to learn from each other...
but i guess there's nothing to learn here...

mightymoe's photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:28 PM

epiphany

so , here I am, amongst people that obviously don't believe they are 'free' in this country, and who believe the system doesn't work the way its supposed to for the people

and I, likewise, believe the system can stand to be fixed, but I don't have the same reasons that I believe its not working


I keep hearing about how the authorities who are charged in their position to keep americans SAFE are abusive to americans rights and need to be restrained,,, I haven't heard what the balance should be,, how much restraint is too much and counterproductive to protection,,,for instance


I keep stating how authorities , that operate within a biased culture, who are charged in their position to keep americnas SAFE,, appear to be have more biased concern with some segments of 'americans' than others,,,,,,



,,,so its interesting that people can be having such a diverse perception of government, all living under the same one,,,

,,,just a thought


we all have different experiences in our lives that molded our minds to the way we think now... even tho we all see the same thing/event, we all interpret it differently in our minds.

i think everyone agrees something is not right with the world right now, but as to what it is and what can be done about it, there would be billions of different ideas on that...

no photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:30 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Tue 07/30/13 01:31 PM







just another roundabout way,to start yet another 9/11-Thread!:laughing:


Conrad we don't need a roundabout way to start another 9/11 thread.
If we want to start another 9/11 thread we will just start it.

Until the official account of what happened on 9-11 makes sense and is proven with some real verifiable facts instead of a perpentrated fiction about some Muslim terrorist group Al Qaeda (that does not actually exist)-- there will always be a reason to start another 9/11 thread.


whoa

Keep beating that 12 year old dead horse...

what are you going to say if they find out it happened like they said it did?



That is when hell freezes over. laugh laugh


nothing, in the CT'ers mind, they cannot be wrong... this whole thread is nothing but a bunch of junk used to strengthen the weak minds of the CT'ers...

Jagbird seems to be the only one with any sense in here, because he's worried about what they are lying to us about NOW, instead of some 12, 50, 60 year old garbage that no one cares about... \

yall should think about more of what jag said...


Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.

If people were more aware how much the Elite and their puppet governments are screwing them over, maybe, just maybe they will rise up and stop consenting to being screwed.

So no, we don't forget and we don't forgive.




i knew you wouldn't answer the question...


Why should I??

I have a policy that I don't answer hypothetical questions ESPECIALLY highly unlikely hypothetical questions. In a court room once I was asked a hypothecial question under oath and this was my answer:

"It would depend on my state of mind at the time."

So if you insist on having an answer, that is it.


the whole purpose of asking questions is to learn from each other...
but i guess there's nothing to learn here...



That is not your true agenda.

Besides, you got your answer.

msharmony's photo
Tue 07/30/13 01:32 PM


epiphany

so , here I am, amongst people that obviously don't believe they are 'free' in this country, and who believe the system doesn't work the way its supposed to for the people

and I, likewise, believe the system can stand to be fixed, but I don't have the same reasons that I believe its not working


I keep hearing about how the authorities who are charged in their position to keep americans SAFE are abusive to americans rights and need to be restrained,,, I haven't heard what the balance should be,, how much restraint is too much and counterproductive to protection,,,for instance


I keep stating how authorities , that operate within a biased culture, who are charged in their position to keep americnas SAFE,, appear to be have more biased concern with some segments of 'americans' than others,,,,,,



,,,so its interesting that people can be having such a diverse perception of government, all living under the same one,,,

,,,just a thought


we all have different experiences in our lives that molded our minds to the way we think now... even tho we all see the same thing/event, we all interpret it differently in our minds.

i think everyone agrees something is not right with the world right now, but as to what it is and what can be done about it, there would be billions of different ideas on that...



drinker drinker

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 07/30/13 02:42 PM


So lets do a mind experiment lets assume Osama did 911 what really happened? we lost three buildings and several hundred lives.

What was our response? two bankrupting wars and spying on every one every were costing us TRILLIONS, looks like the bad guys won.


that was his plan from the beginning... he stated that in the 90's...
and look what happened


There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Cheneys and Bush's of the world knew the blow back of attacking Iraq and Afghanistan it would enrich the oil interests and and all defense contractors. THey also used it as a pretext to destroy our Fourth amendment. This spying is even in private hands enriching some shady people. Lets just face it inside job or not it was used for the excuse to create a modern fascist state.

mightymoe's photo
Tue 07/30/13 02:46 PM



So lets do a mind experiment lets assume Osama did 911 what really happened? we lost three buildings and several hundred lives.

What was our response? two bankrupting wars and spying on every one every were costing us TRILLIONS, looks like the bad guys won.


that was his plan from the beginning... he stated that in the 90's...
and look what happened


There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Cheneys and Bush's of the world knew the blow back of attacking Iraq and Afghanistan it would enrich the oil interests and and all defense contractors. THey also used it as a pretext to destroy our Fourth amendment. This spying is even in private hands enriching some shady people. Lets just face it inside job or not it was used for the excuse to create a modern fascist state.


i think your giving George W. to much credit... it's not like he was the smartest president ever...

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 07/30/13 03:04 PM




So lets do a mind experiment lets assume Osama did 911 what really happened? we lost three buildings and several hundred lives.

What was our response? two bankrupting wars and spying on every one every were costing us TRILLIONS, looks like the bad guys won.


that was his plan from the beginning... he stated that in the 90's...
and look what happened


There should be no doubt in anyone's mind that the Cheneys and Bush's of the world knew the blow back of attacking Iraq and Afghanistan it would enrich the oil interests and and all defense contractors. THey also used it as a pretext to destroy our Fourth amendment. This spying is even in private hands enriching some shady people. Lets just face it inside job or not it was used for the excuse to create a modern fascist state.


i think your giving George W. to much credit... it's not like he was the smartest president ever...
You know better than that he was a willing dupe I think the last president who tried to do things his own way was shot in Texas.