something IM not sure everyone understands

when we hear about childbirth rates,, there exists two main standards

1, the average number of children per,,,,whatever demographic
2. the percent of the demographic that has children

,,,,,,too often, we only hear about one of those two standards, the latter

for example, since 1990 the percent of ALL births born to unwed mothers has grown from 28 to 40 percent,,,

however, the RATE at which unwed mothers (number of births per 1000) are having babies has only climbed from 43 to 47 ,,,




http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hus/2011/007.pdf


more specifically, say you have ten married and ten unmarried women

over a period of ten years, you go from 5 of those ten unmarried having 5 babies each and 5 of those ten married women having 7 each

a total of 60 babies, and a 42 percent oow rate


now, imagine, ten years later,,,it changes

with 5 of those ten unmarried now having 3 babies each, but 5 of those ten married cutting back to 1 baby

now we have 20 babies, and a 75 percent oow rate

indicating that the oow rate is not the simple indicator of responsibility amongst the unwed as it seems

both groups , married and unmarried HAVE Been cutting back on childbirth,, but if the MARRIED cut back further, it will cause the OOW rate to go up,,,,


so, what is my point,, my point is not to merely look at 'statistics' about the climbing percentage of ALL births are out of wedlock

look deeper into how women, individually , are or are not deciding to be more responsible in their choice to have children,,,


when we look at trends, its important to look deeper than one level sometims,,,

Now, throw in to the mix the abortion rates over the years, and this is what you get:



So, while the number of births to unmarried women may go down, the number of pregnancies among unmarried women may stay at a particular level or go up.

even in that chart, the abortion rates have decreased since the nineties as well


so that kind of fuels the idea that black women have not become more irrepsonisible regarding pregnancy

a decline in abortions AND A decline in live births,,

In my Economics of Crime class, it was shown that children without fathers are three to five times more likely to wind up in jail....


So oow births are a tragedy in the nation.

oh definitely hippie,,

my point is not to minimalize the significance of a man in the home, I Agree with that wholeheartedly

my point is that oow mothers are often signaled out as the root cause of all childrens problems and in that pov the increasing oow birth rate in minority communities is often cited

but THAT increase in the OOW rate has little bearing on whether women have become increasingly irresponsible,,

on the contrary, both married and unmarried women in the minority community are becoming MORE responsible in regards to childbirth,,,

but barring married women deciding to have more children, that oow birthrate will only go down if married women remain consistent in their childbirth WHILE unmarried women continue becoming even more responsible than they already have been,,,,

if money were no object, it would be my desire to have a private organization that goes into the schools to teach young girls about self respect, inner beauty, self value

and the VERY SERIOUS responsibility of engaging in sexual behaviors as well as the REAL consequence of not choosing to be in RESPONSIBLE commitments with RESPONSIBLE partners,,,,

Let's cut to the chase, shall we?

Out-of-wedlock births contribute to the amount of poverty that exists.

Now, do you suppose that the poverty rate in the USA would decrease if single women would choose to remain celibate while single?

not necessarily, because the poverty rate would still apply to childless people,,,,

for instance , in 1959, poverty rate was 22.4%
compared to 11.3 in 2000, when undoubtedly, the oow rate was much higher,,,






its more about the economy,, but wed parents have a better chance of battling poor economies than single parents do...

Don't you think if newer more permanent forms of birth control such as hormone implants and IUDs were made more readily available and without shame that more women would use them and this stuff wouldn't happen in the first place?

again, I go back to believing that although it is better for parents to be wed,, the state of the economy plays a much larger part in how 'stuff' like poverty happens,,,

if more permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available,, poverty rates may decrease amongst both the wed and unwed,,,

How do you mean permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available? Spread the poverty around? Via Socialism?

If, if's and but's were candy and nut's, we'd all have a wonderful Christmas.

I like the idea of mandating birth control by any means necessary.
My 17 yr old stepdaughter decided to be a responsible young woman and get the yearly birth control injection.

Personal responsibility is lacking in the groups where the highest irresponsible impregnation numbers.
If they can't willingly be responsible, don't allow them to get knocked up.

My idea about mandatory birth control. They take it until they can prove they can provide for A child without assistance.

But, that won't happen until, more permanent living wages and substantial/AFFORDABLE/equal education were more readily available.

It should happen before all that other stuff, Alleyoops.
Folks what would wanted kids would make education a priority.

Your right, but not Obammy folks.

Actually, it's in his oBammycare plan.
He's increasing funding to planned parenthood. You know. It's the place where they come upon with all the ways to curb irresponsible fckers.
oBammy can sell it to the libs and progressives. They believe he's looking out for 'em

Actually I think there should be a cap on how many out of wedlock birth children a woman can get assistance for with stronger financial incentives for adopting out any out of wedlock children beyond the first one to responsible parents ( with family members like grandparents, aunts and uncles etc being the first choice).

that way we strengthen the family tie and require families to be financially responsible for their collective offspring while providing an incentive for parents to properly instruct their daughters.

the poverty level would definitely decrease if single women waited until marriage to have children as they would be working and contributing to society

I have no problem with unwed women having kids. As long as they support them without tax payer dollars. That's what responsible people do.
Unfortunately, we have millions who will never take personal responsibility.

Asking won't achieve anything.

Mandatory measures, with severe consequences, would eventually weed out the bad blood.

If a single woman becomes pregnant as a natural consequence of her choice to participate in sexual intercourse, then she has herself to blame for any poverty that results from her pregnancy.

To be fair, if a single woman experiences poverty as a result of such a choice on her part, then somewhere there is a man who helped her to get into such a situation. So, I'd like to see a way to make such a man pay financially for the woman's needs related to her pregnancy and to her child. As it is now, it is too easy for such a man to get away without paying.

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!

Who yo baby daddy?

More than a few thought they new.

One broad was on there 3 different times. Out of 10 men, none was da daddy!

That type is mandated birth control, the pond would clean itself.

Here is an idea.

If a single woman gives birth and then requests public assistance for her baby, then let the government require her to name the father of her baby. Let the government require a paternity test to confirm the father's identity, and then let the government garnish some of the father's pay and give that garnished pay to the mother.