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Topic: Murder of Australian in USA a hate crime?
Dodo_David's photo
Fri 08/23/13 12:18 PM

Im not sure where the notion comes from that blacks aren't seen as racist,,,


Uh, it comes from the people who act as apologists for the racism of black racists. Those apologists want us to believe the following:

Racism from white people - bad
Racism from black people - not bad

no photo
Fri 08/23/13 12:27 PM


Im not sure where the notion comes from that blacks aren't seen as racist,,,


Uh, it comes from the people who act as apologists for the racism of black racists. Those apologists want us to believe the following:

Racism from white people - bad
Racism from black people - not bad


Thank you Dodo for clarifying this for us.

Shy_Emo_chick's photo
Fri 08/23/13 12:33 PM
Either way, he was carrying a weapon. That's what would worry me more. They're questioning whether he was committing a hate crime, yet forget to ask what he was doing carrying a gun around. Hell. Attention to detail. It's not as if the race question is the only thing to think about. laugh.

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 08/23/13 01:06 PM
Edited by Dodo_David on Fri 08/23/13 01:06 PM

Either way, he was carrying a weapon. That's what would worry me more. They're questioning whether he was committing a hate crime, yet forget to ask what he was doing carrying a gun around. Hell. Attention to detail. It's not as if the race question is the only thing to think about. laugh.


As I said earlier, the title of this thread is a question. The killing of the Australian may not be a hate crime at all.

Also, local authorities are trying to learn how those punks acquired a pistol in the first place.

The only clear racial element in the story is the fact that one of the black punks posted an anti-white racist statement on Twitter.

msharmony's photo
Fri 08/23/13 01:27 PM


Im not sure where the notion comes from that blacks aren't seen as racist,,,


Uh, it comes from the people who act as apologists for the racism of black racists. Those apologists want us to believe the following:

Racism from white people - bad
Racism from black people - not bad


yep, some do believe that

and some of us see the discussion of personal racism as confusing the topic of institutional racism,, which concerns some of us much more than individual prejudices which may or may not come from a place of interpreting PERSONAL experiences,,,,


so, to be clear,, blacks and whites can be racist
men and women can be sexist

some people have racist opinions because their mind has LOGICALLY categorized their personal experiences with others by race

some people have SEXIST opinions because their mind has LOGICALLY categorized their PERSONAL experiences with others by race

,,,do I care so much about individual racism? no,,,

why? because at any given moment a persons experiences can change and alter the feelings they may have had just a moment before, let alone a day before, a year before, or a decade before,,,,those stages of racism are personal battles which mostly affect that individuals life


do I Care about INSTITUTIONAL racism? yes,, because it takes longer than a moment to change or alter the effect it has on literally HUNDREDS of thousands of lives,,,,

in this country, which race has dominant representation and control of our Institutions ,,? certainly not black people


so,, if I seem like I 'apologize' for racists, that is not the intention,,,,people have all types of hangups in their personal lives for all types of reasons,,


and their hangups mostly affect their own lives

institutional racism, however, affects the lives of others,,,

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 08/23/13 07:32 PM

so,, if I seem like I 'apologize' for racists, that is not the intention,,,,people have all types of hangups in their personal lives for all types of reasons,,


and their hangups mostly affect their own lives

institutional racism, however, affects the lives of others,,,


Institutional racism doesn't occur spontaneously. It is a product of individual racism in the hearts of people. Racism starts in the heart, and it is just as bad when it is in the heart as it is when it is institutionalized.

Institutional racism is the product of people believing that not all racism is bad.

Also, the USA's public institutions are currently controlled by the rule of law, not by race, and the rule of law gives minorities in the USA the ability to rise out of poverty, to escape from a life of crime.

The Civil Rights Movement of the last century was a success. Yet, some people seem stuck in a time warp that is keeping them in the 1950s and 1960s.


msharmony's photo
Fri 08/23/13 08:42 PM
who writes and applies the rules?

freedom from slavery likewise gave an 'opportunity' to rise out of servitude,, but did little to raise out of poverty

and what was 'successful' about the civil rights movement?

we got a vote (trying to be taken back, btw)
we got to segregate into schools and intermarry

and?

what other big change did it bring exactly?

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 08/23/13 10:13 PM

who writes and applies the rules?

freedom from slavery likewise gave an 'opportunity' to rise out of servitude,, but did little to raise out of poverty

and what was 'successful' about the civil rights movement?

we got a vote (trying to be taken back, btw)
we got to segregate into schools and intermarry

and?

what other big change did it bring exactly?


huh Are you serious?

no photo
Fri 08/23/13 10:35 PM

so, that means half the homicides also come from NON blacks huh?

and MOST of the crimes are intraracial,, so it makes more sense for blacks to fear EACH OTHER, and whites to fear EACH OTHER,, with that logic,,,

why don't white employers hesitate to hire white males who are much more likely to lose it when they face loss of a job or relationship?

why don't white women hesitate to date white men , who are much more likely to be serial killers?

and how many people over all are murderers?

still no reason to make homicidal tendency a racial thing,,,,or associate it with one race over another,,,


I don't think the Lane attack will be successfully labeled racist,,,

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/20/20102447-2-teens-charged-with-first-degree-murder-in-ballplayers-killing-in-oklahoma?lite







the point being that young black males commit a disproprtionately large amount of violent crime in that they are not half the population yet they are committing 50% of violent offenses, and the black community should be at least as upset about THAT as they are crimes committed by other races with young black men as victims.

victimizing others just feeds the stereotypes.....which according to crime stats really are not stereotypes these days.

no photo
Fri 08/23/13 10:46 PM
in any event, as far as the OP, the shooting was most likely a gang initiation that may or may not have had an institutionalzed racial motive (as race hatred is often institutioalized in gangs). In which case it would be a gang related hate crime; racially related.

The Twitter post is evidence enough


Where are the parents? Also, Hopefully they will be able to track down who ordered the hit and charge that individual with the same crime.


unsure's photo
Sat 08/24/13 12:12 AM
When I seen this on the news, it said that they actually seen the guy jogging by their place and they said something about...let's go kill him because I am bored.
Let's face it, it is getting bad every where and it is not safe to do anything because the world is going crazy. I live close to South Bend, Indiana and they have people that just drive by people driving their cars and start shooting. This is why everyone should carry a weapon, guns do not kill people...people kill people!!!!

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/24/13 02:31 AM


so, that means half the homicides also come from NON blacks huh?

and MOST of the crimes are intraracial,, so it makes more sense for blacks to fear EACH OTHER, and whites to fear EACH OTHER,, with that logic,,,

why don't white employers hesitate to hire white males who are much more likely to lose it when they face loss of a job or relationship?

why don't white women hesitate to date white men , who are much more likely to be serial killers?

and how many people over all are murderers?

still no reason to make homicidal tendency a racial thing,,,,or associate it with one race over another,,,


I don't think the Lane attack will be successfully labeled racist,,,

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/20/20102447-2-teens-charged-with-first-degree-murder-in-ballplayers-killing-in-oklahoma?lite







the point being that young black males commit a disproprtionately large amount of violent crime in that they are not half the population yet they are committing 50% of violent offenses, and the black community should be at least as upset about THAT as they are crimes committed by other races with young black men as victims.

victimizing others just feeds the stereotypes.....which according to crime stats really are not stereotypes these days.



they are ARRESTED for 50 percent,, as are white males

and interracial crime is the exception as most crimes are intraracial

so it still makes little sense for white folks to be more scared of black folks than BLACK FOLKS Are
anymore than it makes sense for black folks to be more fearful of white folks than WHITE FOLKS ARE

it is still a very small minority of either group committing crime so why is the whole group profiled according to that minority?

willing2's photo
Sat 08/24/13 05:38 AM
We need to call for a war on ferals.
Start with outlawing gangsta rap.
Ya can't rehabilitate a rabid dog. Ya just put em down. That's the humane thing to do.

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/24/13 01:36 PM

We need to call for a war on ferals.
Start with outlawing gangsta rap.
Ya can't rehabilitate a rabid dog. Ya just put em down. That's the humane thing to do.


would you be for outlawing heavy metal too?

or sexist rock songs?

whoa

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