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 No kidding?... Our soldiers are dying because of your bill of rights too mate... and a whole slew of them in Europe too! You shouldn't start threads you can't handle different opinions on then... So YOU back off... the thread making  When you attack my country, it's documents, or its citizens rights, I won't be the one backing off.....mate! |
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent Yep! Liberals will destroy whatever dignity and honor we have left in this country and media will continue to divide with symbolism so that people stop giving a damn about actual humans and instead become obsessed and wrapped up in the symbolism of flags, and uniforms and historical documents,,,  I think we're there
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Sojourning_Soul
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent Yep! Liberals will destroy whatever dignity and honor we have left in this country and media will continue to divide with symbolism so that people stop giving a damn about actual humans and instead become obsessed and wrapped up in the symbolism of flags, and uniforms and historical documents,,, If you don't like this country, wish to honor it's soldiers sacrifice, both living and dead......leave |
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent The Amendments ARE The Bill Of Rights! The first Ten Amendments to your Constitution are called The Bill Of Rights! |
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No kidding?... Our soldiers are dying because of your bill of rights too mate... and a whole slew of them in Europe too! You shouldn't start threads you can't handle different opinions on then... So YOU back off... the thread making When you attack my country, it's documents, or its citizens rights, I won't be the one backing off.....mate! Stop your whining then! 
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent Yep! Liberals will destroy whatever dignity and honor we have left in this country and media will continue to divide with symbolism so that people stop giving a damn about actual humans and instead become obsessed and wrapped up in the symbolism of flags, and uniforms and historical documents,,, If you don't like this country, wish to honor it's soldiers sacrifice, both living and dead......leave IM under no illusion about the imperfections of this country as much as you complain about its government, its hilariously ironic that you should dictate to anyone about their right to be here or their patriotism anyone here has just as much right to point out where America needs improvement,, even if its regarding the precious us constitution,,, and no obligation to leave because they choose to discuss it or notice it |
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent The Amendments ARE The Bill Of Rights! The first Ten Amendments to your Constitution are called The Bill Of Rights! re read why were there amendments that FOLLOWED THEM we could stop at ten if they were perfect, couldn't we? yet we keep revising, because as humans , times change, we change and so do our standards,,,,, if it was capable of needing revisions then, why is it so insulting to suggest it may need revisions now? |
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent The Amendments ARE The Bill Of Rights! The first Ten Amendments to your Constitution are called The Bill Of Rights! re read why were there amendments that FOLLOWED THEM we could stop at ten if they were perfect, couldn't we? yet we keep revising, because as humans , times change, we change and so do our standards,,,,, if it was capable of needing revisions then, why is it so insulting to suggest it may need revisions now? I'm sorry. I can't stay here with anti-American, liberal idiots who want their freedom but refuse to acknowledge how it came to be or who is responsible for it! |
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent Yep! Liberals will destroy whatever dignity and honor we have left in this country and media will continue to divide with symbolism so that people stop giving a damn about actual humans and instead become obsessed and wrapped up in the symbolism of flags, and uniforms and historical documents,,, If you don't like this country, wish to honor it's soldiers sacrifice, both living and dead......leave If you love your country, hate your government... Why are your boys dying for your government? It's all puckin flawed!!! As brainwashed as the Jihadis... makes me wanna puke |
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hypocrisy
complain about us government and then call others anti American don't recall anyone here telling you to leave for your anti government sentiments,,, its very AMERICAN to feel the right to be open with the things you see could make America better its very UNAMERICAN to debase someones Americanism for choosing to do so,,, |
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hypocrisy complain about us government and then call others anti American don't recall anyone here telling you to leave for your anti government sentiments,,, its very AMERICAN to feel the right to be open with the things you see could make America better its very UNAMERICAN to debase someones Americanism for choosing to do so,,, This gov't is not my country! It is destroying my country....as you seem to wish it to. My country, my flag, my rights, my founding documents, they are under attack, and because I believe in and love America, the land of my birth, and what she stands for, I will defend her against ALL enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC! Soldiers fight, NOT for any gov't, but for the person next to them and those people and things they love back home. Most who join the military do it out of a sense of patriotism as young (mostly teen) men and women, some discovering the truth after it is too late, but at that point, they are in a battle for their lives..... kill or be killed. They serve so you can get your free handouts, speak English, worship in the church of your choice, act like you have a vote, and can even spit on them for securing and keeping it for you.... as I was when I returned. So while they join in the spirit of patriotism, it is for love of country, NOT GOVERNMENT! It is not me tapping peoples phones, killing the economy, healthcare, education, the American dream. It is you and those like you who place no value in what makes/made this country great. Your praise of those who seek to destroy her, yet wanting the liberty and freedoms others die for, while condemning them for doing so. You spit on all they hold sacred or meaningful, like flag, country, individual rights and freedoms, instead yelling for welfare, debt and poverty through enslavement to corporate/banker masters and their corrupt puppets in an elitist government cesspool! It is not I who needs to grow a brain, morals, self respect or a sense of right and wrong, nor apologize for my actions. It is not I who claims my Constitution is just a damn 200 year old piece of parchment, or the flag of my country is just a pretty rag. It is also not I who thinks the world owes me a living even though I fought and bled for her, yet you seem to. You have made yourself a victim and you want others to pay for it because you have now grown accustomed to, and taken advantage of, for so long you side with those who are willing to destroy this country to give it to you..... and when it's gone, and there is nothing left for anyone to give....... what then? So who is the hypocrite here? I don't ask or force others to fight my battles for me, care for me, feed me, pay me not to work or raise my kids. I support charities tho I live in poverty myself because there are many with actual needs greater than mine, but I do not believe in stealing from others "because it's the right thing to do". Two wrongs will never make a right. Greed is common place, and people will always manipulate a system. Charity is nothing more than theft when it is accomplished and funded by force..... |
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hypocrisy complain about us government and then call others anti American don't recall anyone here telling you to leave for your anti government sentiments,,, its very AMERICAN to feel the right to be open with the things you see could make America better its very UNAMERICAN to debase someones Americanism for choosing to do so,,, This gov't is not my country! It is destroying my country....as you seem to wish it to. My country, my flag, my rights, my founding documents, they are under attack, and because I believe in and love America, the land of my birth, and what she stands for, I will defend her against ALL enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC! Soldiers fight, NOT for any gov't, but for the person next to them and those people and things they love back home. Most who join the military do it out of a sense of patriotism as young (mostly teen) men and women, some discovering the truth after it is too late, but at that point, they are in a battle for their lives..... kill or be killed. They serve so you can get your free handouts, speak English, worship in the church of your choice, act like you have a vote, and can even spit on them for securing and keeping it for you.... as I was when I returned. So while they join in the spirit of patriotism, it is for love of country, NOT GOVERNMENT! It is not me tapping peoples phones, killing the economy, healthcare, education, the American dream. It is you and those like you who place no value in what makes/made this country great. Your praise of those who seek to destroy her, yet wanting the liberty and freedoms others die for, while condemning them for doing so. You spit on all they hold sacred or meaningful, like flag, country, individual rights and freedoms, instead yelling for welfare, debt and poverty through enslavement to corporate/banker masters and their corrupt puppets in an elitist government cesspool! It is not I who needs to grow a brain, morals, self respect or a sense of right and wrong, nor apologize for my actions. It is not I who claims my Constitution is just a damn 200 year old piece of parchment, or the flag of my country is just a pretty rag. It is also not I who thinks the world owes me a living even though I fought and bled for her, yet you seem to. You have made yourself a victim and you want others to pay for it because you have now grown accustomed to, and taken advantage of, for so long you side with those who are willing to destroy this country to give it to you..... and when it's gone, and there is nothing left for anyone to give....... what then? So who is the hypocrite here? I don't ask or force others to fight my battles for me, care for me, feed me, pay me not to work or raise my kids. I support charities tho I live in poverty myself because there are many with actual needs greater than mine, but I do not believe in stealing from others "because it's the right thing to do". Two wrongs will never make a right. Greed is common place, and people will always manipulate a system. Charity is nothing more than theft when it is accomplished and funded by force..... Good points!
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msharmony
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Mon 12/02/13 09:50 PM
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hypocrisy complain about us government and then call others anti American don't recall anyone here telling you to leave for your anti government sentiments,,, its very AMERICAN to feel the right to be open with the things you see could make America better its very UNAMERICAN to debase someones Americanism for choosing to do so,,, This gov't is not my country! It is destroying my country....as you seem to wish it to. My country, my flag, my rights, my founding documents, they are under attack, and because I believe in and love America, the land of my birth, and what she stands for, I will defend her against ALL enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC! Soldiers fight, NOT for any gov't, but for the person next to them and those people and things they love back home. Most who join the military do it out of a sense of patriotism as young (mostly teen) men and women, some discovering the truth after it is too late, but at that point, they are in a battle for their lives..... kill or be killed. They serve so you can get your free handouts, speak English, worship in the church of your choice, act like you have a vote, and can even spit on them for securing and keeping it for you.... as I was when I returned. So while they join in the spirit of patriotism, it is for love of country, NOT GOVERNMENT! It is not me tapping peoples phones, killing the economy, healthcare, education, the American dream. It is you and those like you who place no value in what makes/made this country great. Your praise of those who seek to destroy her, yet wanting the liberty and freedoms others die for, while condemning them for doing so. You spit on all they hold sacred or meaningful, like flag, country, individual rights and freedoms, instead yelling for welfare, debt and poverty through enslavement to corporate/banker masters and their corrupt puppets in an elitist government cesspool! It is not I who needs to grow a brain, morals, self respect or a sense of right and wrong, nor apologize for my actions. It is not I who claims my Constitution is just a damn 200 year old piece of parchment, or the flag of my country is just a pretty rag. It is also not I who thinks the world owes me a living even though I fought and bled for her, yet you seem to. You have made yourself a victim and you want others to pay for it because you have now grown accustomed to, and taken advantage of, for so long you side with those who are willing to destroy this country to give it to you..... and when it's gone, and there is nothing left for anyone to give....... what then? So who is the hypocrite here? I don't ask or force others to fight my battles for me, care for me, feed me, pay me not to work or raise my kids. I support charities tho I live in poverty myself because there are many with actual needs greater than mine, but I do not believe in stealing from others "because it's the right thing to do". Two wrongs will never make a right. Greed is common place, and people will always manipulate a system. Charity is nothing more than theft when it is accomplished and funded by force..... dude grow up,, y must it always end up with these wildly inaccurate paraphrasing and maccarthyistic labeling tangents all the threads STARTED By you that complain about things you don't like about America but God forbid someone don't worship the symbolism you do and its the end of the frigging world no **** the country isn't the government, its not the bill of rigths or the constitution either its a country of PEOPLE who, because they are AMERICAN expect to be able to have opinions about ANYTHING Happening in AMerica without having to be subject to some McCarthy like labeling as being un-American soldiers fight ror all americans to be able to have and voice opinions and not have to pretend to all agree to cherish the same things or have the same priorities in order to qualify as 'american' and for the record, you labeling someone a victim isn't the same as them actually being one,,, as to all the other whinging,, whatebver dude,,,,for someone who is so fond of America, there is sure a lot of complaining about any part you are expected to take part in that doesn't directly benefit you and it is not I who 'condemns' anyone on here, for that person, you should be looking in the mirror,,, |
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msharmony
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hypocrisy complain about us government and then call others anti American don't recall anyone here telling you to leave for your anti government sentiments,,, its very AMERICAN to feel the right to be open with the things you see could make America better its very UNAMERICAN to debase someones Americanism for choosing to do so,,, This gov't is not my country! It is destroying my country....as you seem to wish it to. My country, my flag, my rights, my founding documents, they are under attack, and because I believe in and love America, the land of my birth, and what she stands for, I will defend her against ALL enemies, both foreign AND DOMESTIC! Soldiers fight, NOT for any gov't, but for the person next to them and those people and things they love back home. Most who join the military do it out of a sense of patriotism as young (mostly teen) men and women, some discovering the truth after it is too late, but at that point, they are in a battle for their lives..... kill or be killed. They serve so you can get your free handouts, speak English, worship in the church of your choice, act like you have a vote, and can even spit on them for securing and keeping it for you.... as I was when I returned. So while they join in the spirit of patriotism, it is for love of country, NOT GOVERNMENT! It is not me tapping peoples phones, killing the economy, healthcare, education, the American dream. It is you and those like you who place no value in what makes/made this country great. Your praise of those who seek to destroy her, yet wanting the liberty and freedoms others die for, while condemning them for doing so. You spit on all they hold sacred or meaningful, like flag, country, individual rights and freedoms, instead yelling for welfare, debt and poverty through enslavement to corporate/banker masters and their corrupt puppets in an elitist government cesspool! It is not I who needs to grow a brain, morals, self respect or a sense of right and wrong, nor apologize for my actions. It is not I who claims my Constitution is just a damn 200 year old piece of parchment, or the flag of my country is just a pretty rag. It is also not I who thinks the world owes me a living even though I fought and bled for her, yet you seem to. You have made yourself a victim and you want others to pay for it because you have now grown accustomed to, and taken advantage of, for so long you side with those who are willing to destroy this country to give it to you..... and when it's gone, and there is nothing left for anyone to give....... what then? So who is the hypocrite here? I don't ask or force others to fight my battles for me, care for me, feed me, pay me not to work or raise my kids. I support charities tho I live in poverty myself because there are many with actual needs greater than mine, but I do not believe in stealing from others "because it's the right thing to do". Two wrongs will never make a right. Greed is common place, and people will always manipulate a system. Charity is nothing more than theft when it is accomplished and funded by force..... Good points! yeah, great point agree with me or else,, cause Im such an American,,, whatever
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But the facts are that these armed assaults are increasing in frequency... Why is that? Must say, you hit it on the head. There is a direct correlation between violence and the state of the economy. That being said, perhaps the focus should be on economics instead of taking away rights. Just sayin |
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple I agree with about 90% of what you are saying. I too have an issue with folks thinking all they need is a firearm and they will be safe. I also believe that having a gun, or being around them, puts you at greater risk for injury from a gunshot wound, just as having a swimming pool or being around one puts you at greater risk of drowning (which has taken a bigger toll i would like to add). If carrying one always made it more dangerous for the carrier, secret service, police, and the military would all be disarmed. A firearm is a tool, but it can come in handy under a specific set of circumstances. Training needs to surpass "using both hands" and "shooting straight" to include intelligent approaches to situations. Any decent civilian course will include this. As a matter of fact they often stress property can be replaced, if someone just wants your wallet, hand it over. I would also like to point out that the possibility of people being armed can be a deterrent to potential assailants. I would also like to point out the dangers of being comfortable just throwing away rights that are supposed to be guaranteed to us in our bill of rights. |
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 Your bill of rights is flawed... Nothing is ever perfect. However I must ask, why people shouldn't have rights? Our country was founded the principle that people should be independent and not be forced to rely on anyone or anything. Free thinking. Personal responsibility. Independence. Deterring tyranny. Not sure how the Bill of Rights doesn't support that... Perhaps you can elaborate...? |
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if the bill of rights were perfect, why were there amendments that followed them some soldiers may be dying to protect the bill of rights, others also die to protect the right to disagree with or question their intent The Amendments ARE The Bill Of Rights! The first Ten Amendments to your Constitution are called The Bill Of Rights! re read why were there amendments that FOLLOWED THEM we could stop at ten if they were perfect, couldn't we? yet we keep revising, because as humans , times change, we change and so do our standards,,,,, if it was capable of needing revisions then, why is it so insulting to suggest it may need revisions now? To a point yes, revisions need to be made. But there needs to be certain rights that can never be revised. Keeps powers in check, as it is any government's responsibility to take freedom from people so they may be controlled (this is the way they all work by design). It also prevents 75% of people saying "Hey, lets just enslave the other 25% then we won't have to work, ever". |
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple ah....a glimmer of sanity....thanks harmony. OK I'm outta here....this argument gets too emotionally charged which means no one is thinking that well. Also, there is too much at stake financially for the pro gun lobby for them to be objective. Anyone who cannot accept reasonable controls on firearms has no business having one. So the discussion should be on what is reasonalbe with both sides willing to put forth solutions that are negotialbe and workable. For those who cannot do that, the decision will be made for you, by others capable of objectivity and adult decision making. I guess my suggestion is to be level headed and remove the emotion, scare tactics and propaganda to be a valuable contributor who others take seriously. Again knowing that NRA supporters and the gun lobby have too much at stake financially to be making these types of rules alone. |
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good people don't NEED to have a gun unless they live in crime ridden areas where guns are RAMPANT already there is no real compelling evidence to back up either side of the argument, in my opinion there are plenty of studies showing those with guns being more likely to be shot or killed in confrontations than those without the best self defense is between the ears, being aware of your surroundings and how to approach and work with them simple ah....a glimmer of sanity....thanks harmony. OK I'm outta here....this argument gets too emotionally charged which means no one is thinking that well. Also, there is too much at stake financially for the pro gun lobby for them to be objective. Anyone who cannot accept reasonable controls on firearms has no business having one. So the discussion should be on what is reasonalbe with both sides willing to put forth solutions that are negotialbe and workable. For those who cannot do that, the decision will be made for you, by others capable of objectivity and adult decision making. I guess my suggestion is to be level headed and remove the emotion, scare tactics and propaganda to be a valuable contributor who others take seriously. Again knowing that NRA supporters and the gun lobby have too much at stake financially to be making these types of rules alone. Got to agree that the mainstream on both sides of the issue seem incapable of objective thinking. NRA really doesn't stand to make a profit though, they simply tend to be extreme. As are the liberals on this issue. As I stated before neither laws nor guns seem to have much impact on violence or crime, so perhaps underlying causes should be explored before we pit one half of the country instead of the other. None of this is about gun control. Not the issue at all. Its violence and crime. One thing everyone can agree on is we don't like to see violence spreading. Economics is a great place to start. Hey, then we'd get to take care of the economic issues as well. Win, win, win. |
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