dude where do you get that logic from its totally retarded, A type of ancient fossil named stromatolites date back over 3.45 billion years also one of the most recent discoveries out dating any other man made structures is a megalithic site in Turkey called Gobekli Tepe
It's over 12000 years old. Peace

I once met a guy on another site who said he joined I think it was the Baptist church because it was a guilt free religion. When I asked him what he meant he said he could drink, swear, and I think sleep around and not be made to feel guilty about it. To me that sounds like a person who regardless as to what religion he is a part of he is doing things he knows or believes to be wrong and he just doesn't want to be told he's doing wrong. To me that is an example of religion being used improperly.

Religion shouldn't be used to fuel wars for sure. But I don't think it should be used to justify ones life style if they know or think they are doing things that aren't good for them. If you want to be an alcoholic then be an atheist. Then you don't have to worry all about an angry god who will send you to a fiery pit for eternity because you chose to try ayawaska to expand your horizons. hahaha

There is a difference in approach that exists amongst individuals and churches

I was raised Baptist, never experienced a church that in any way advocated sin or said it was ok,, however, there were some pastors who focused on how to be 'wrong' and what it brings,, while others made their focus on how o be 'right' ,, and others still who had a balance of both in their approach

we are taught not to be judgmental of the person, so that is why he may have felt no one was trying to make him (personally) feel 'guilty',,,but sermons are taught from the bible and it is pretty clear on the matter of sins,,,as well as the reality that there is not one human how is not a sinner , or has not been one at some point in their life,,,,, which makes us more of 'equals' so that we don't guilt people or look down upon them as people, but address only the behavior ,, that is judged the same regardless of who engages in it,,,

That probably was what he was talking about. I'm sure you understand my reasoning in what I said though. If you don't want to feel guilty then be an atheist. I just didn't like that it sound like he was choosing something not to make himself a better person. But to allow him to continue things that he evidently knew or didn't think were right.

I basically think regardless as to the religion. It should be something that gives you guidelines to be a better person.

I have a bigger problem with what I am pretty sure was the Catholic church at one time saying I will forgive you of your sins after you have sex with me. I also think that was mostly done in Russia. But talk about a messed up practice.

As much as I love my daughter that thought makes me feel ill.

Hold up didnt eve have two boys so when so when one of them died one of them got married. Where did the women come from?

Adam and Cain, had Eve in a spit-roast every night. That's what happened!

its cultural stigma that will soon die out

after all, we now have condoms and birth control and people can CHOOSE and CONSENT to what they want to do with their bodies and with whom

It should rationally be no more "wrong" (or mad-making) to attack (challenge) religion than it is to promote it.

In reality, most religions attack / challenge (dismiss, denigrate) religions different than their own. That is a form of product differentiation -- making one's preference appear to be different from and superior to competitors.

To that extent religion is not different from other businesses -- address or create a felt-need, offer a solution that is claimed to be superior, advertise to attract customers, charge for your services (and if possible designate fees as donations and achieve tax exemption).

you really,in your wildest imagination,think those were the only four people on this Planet?

That wild imagination IS believed by many (perhaps most?) even in many "advanced", industrialized, "educated" societies.

Myth, legend, folklore and fantasy are far easier to understand, and for many to accept, than the complexities of the real world.

Actual study of what exists and what has existed or transpired is difficult. Answers to complex questions (or even simple questions) are not always "black and white" or certain.

Supernaturalism offers an easy way with "goddidit", relieving the need to learn about diseases, atmospheric processes, and/or nature in general. "Just believe and go to heaven"

Arguments against incest BASED on probability of defective offspring are invalid for two reasons:

1) Reproduction can be controlled with medicine and in the unlikely event of birth control failure, abortion is available in our society

2) Prevention of defective offspring cannot rationally be claimed as justification when laws make no effort to prevent defective offspring in other situations.


It would be extremely naive to assume that I favor incest or abortion because I identify defective arguments.

Are there reasons other than the above, valid reasons, significant enough to criminalize incest (between consenting adults)?

no, not if we are to be consistent in respecting that a persons body is their own (as in the case with abortion)

or that consenting adults should have access to equal 'pursuit of happiness' (which is the case with same sex arguments and marriage reform)

Consistent we (as a society) are NOT -- nor are we fair, just, or rational in our mores and our laws

So what's wrong with that? lol

on that ,we agree

but legal precedent is usually a tool to promote 'consistency'

Gen 4:16-18

Then Cain went out from the presence of the LORD and dwelt in the land of Nod on the east of Eden. 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bore Enoch. And he built a city, and called the name of the city after the name of his son — Enoch. 18 To Enoch was born Irad; and Irad begot Mehujael, and Mehujael begot Methushael, and Methushael begot Lamech.
NKJV

Here we see Cain sent off. So where did he get his wife from?

an interesting thing about his child Enoch is that it says Yahweh walked with Enoch.WE also see Enoch has kids. Seems to me thier were other people put on the earth. The difference being Yahweh Breathed into Adam and he came alive. The Breath of life. I do not see the scriptures saying thier were no people on the earth.


Gen 1:1-2

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters
NKJV

created

bara'



OT:1254 bara' (baw-raw'); a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): -choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Create does not have to mean the start of from nothing since the earth was void. If the earth was made then why even mention what the earth is like? it had to had something happen.IMO

Yahweh does in Duet. speak about questions they seemed to have back then also.

Deut 4:32-36

32 For ask now of the days that are past, which were before thee, since the day that God created man upon the earth, and ask from the one side of heaven unto the other, whether there hath been any such thing as this great thing is, or hath been heard like it?

33 Did ever people hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as thou hast heard, and live?

34 Or hath God assayed to go and take him a nation from the midst of another nation, by temptations, by signs, and by wonders, and by war, and by a mighty hand, and by a stretched out arm, and by great terrors, according to all that the LORD your God did for you in Egypt before your eyes?

35 Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God; there is none else beside him.

36 Out of heaven he made thee to hear his voice, that he might instruct thee: and upon earth he shewed thee his great fire; and thou heardest his words out of the midst of the fire.
KJV

I do not believe thier was incest. I do not believe the earth is only 6000 years old. Enoch to me is a problem.. maye thats why his book is not in the cannon. But Enoch found a wife from somewhere also.

The Annanaki writings of talk of an unsiphisticated people who's were on the earth. Could these be where the wives came from?

According to myth, legend and folk tale back in those times dead bodies came back to life and females were made from male ribs.

Or, since nothing is impossible in fantasy, maybe the males reproduced without females? Or females magically appeared?