That's why our SAS are the best in the World? They can get the jobs done that your mob f**k up! That was my mates Dad who is a retired SAS soldier told me a while back! He knows better than I do about all that military crap!

The best trained special forces along with the SBS ( special boat service ) in the World. That's who they are and that's a fact! Surprised you never knew that? Any Green Beret, or Navy Seal, would tell you the same Mightymoe?

Meanwhile, back in this universe ...

That's why they've sent a ship with cadets? They WANT you to sink them, then get the sympathy vote, saying the big bully America, sank a ship full of cadets, that meant no harm. That's the fact most of you are missing? It's a planned one finger salute to the US and they're hoping that you take the bait and deal with it by sinking them? Sure their government are not playing with a full deck, but they're playing a hand that they hope will call your bluff and you'll deal with it by force? Honestly your government should just ignore them, as they don't pose a threat to you in a military sense, as everyone knows you could blow them away easily?

That's why our SAS are the best in the World? They can get the jobs done that your mob f**k up! That was my mates Dad who is a retired SAS soldier told me a while back! He knows better than I do about all that military crap!

Special Air Services,and they are good!

My dad was in the British medical corps in Israel , Even the Arabs attacked the ambulance convoy to slit throats !!! Who's country is it ? That question is always counted in blood ?

Actually our Seals and Delta Force is the best in the world, nice try.

Iranian Navy

Kilo-class subs are extremely quiet coastal patrol subs, fast enough to shadow fleet units in home waters (typical job, sub screening basically, they're much quieter than a nuclear sub and the natural enemy of a NATO hunter-killer).
Harpoons can take one pretty easy but you need ideal conditions. Best way to kill these is with torpedos or depth charges, old school.

Noisier subs are targets for more modern ASW equipment, but Kilos are really quiet.

Iranian corvettes are useless in warfare as anything but reserve light patrollers, missile launchers are for show, a row boat would outrun these boats.
Their frigates have 4-8 antishipping missiles basically as good as an early series Harpoon or any similar missile used in Europe in the 80s-90s, they have a big warhead though (a little under quarter of a ton of high explosive), with an armour-punch ahead of it (timed fuse).
They're chinese made but the technology is pretty simple, inertial midcourse and radar terminal phase, the claim is ECCM is good (hard to jam).
The current standard on new antiship missiles is datalinking, GPS and even AI logarithms. It's not that modern, but the same thing as most of the US weapons stockpile out there and just as dangerous to enemies.

Keep in mind a military as big as the US, and even several other major (not super-) powers, only about 10% of the troops actually get to use the great new equipment everything thinks is the current standard. When the nuclear powered missile cruiser was the next big thing and the California commissioned, most of the navy was still running around with oil burning gunboats.

As it is the current NATO air defence system in majority usage including by US forces is still an 80s piece of technology, the current Russian standard throughout the fleets is at least a full generation ahead.
Oh yes the US has caught up, so has European-NATO, with new terrific coordinated air defence systems a generation ahead of Aegis, well Aegis is at the moment outdated and it's mostly what you've got.

That said, the Iranians are worse off. They have to buy materiel that was outdated back in the 80s. The things major powers were replacing and so could export to small nation forces affordably in a cost recovery programme. Other than that, they have to buy off China, they're up to 2 generations behind current standard, or the Russians who won't export anything unless it's detuned to keep a step ahead of reverse engineering (ie. the way the chinese stole the Flanker design and reproduced it, but can't match current Russian Super-Flanker prototypes because they didn't get all the really good stuff exported to copy).


I wouldn't say a Coast Guard cutter could annihilate the Iranian Navy in combat, but I should certainly think even a reserve operational battlegroup would make short work of them and then have lunch.


But politically speaking you couldn't blame Iranian military leadership for believing that because US military forces are on two of their borders, with Russia to the north, that they must at least appear to be beligerent in order to maintain public order.
Unless the Iranians show direct aggression, ie. actually attack a US warship directly, then I think the best course is to just let them be for a while.

In order to assert the US has the right to internationally police sovereign territories, you must essentially declare war upon that nation, openly and formally. Those were rules set among all international bodies like the UN or League of Nations, even NATO.
The US has basically been ignoring them since 2001 and hey, I think we can all let that one slide considering...But hey it's 13 years on and the US is stating to look like the Brownshirts and bootheels of someone familiar...

So maybe the Iranians, maybe you should just sit this one out as a nation. Let the French deal with it, it'll be funny. I'll get the popcorn.

Iranian Navy

Kilo-class subs are extremely quiet coastal patrol subs, fast enough to shadow fleet units in home waters (typical job, sub screening basically, they're much quieter than a nuclear sub and the natural enemy of a NATO hunter-killer).
Harpoons can take one pretty easy but you need ideal conditions. Best way to kill these is with torpedos or depth charges, old school.

Noisier subs are targets for more modern ASW equipment, but Kilos are really quiet.

Iranian corvettes are useless in warfare as anything but reserve light patrollers, missile launchers are for show, a row boat would outrun these boats.
Their frigates have 4-8 antishipping missiles basically as good as an early series Harpoon or any similar missile used in Europe in the 80s-90s, they have a big warhead though (a little under quarter of a ton of high explosive), with an armour-punch ahead of it (timed fuse).
They're chinese made but the technology is pretty simple, inertial midcourse and radar terminal phase, the claim is ECCM is good (hard to jam).
The current standard on new antiship missiles is datalinking, GPS and even AI logarithms. It's not that modern, but the same thing as most of the US weapons stockpile out there and just as dangerous to enemies.

Keep in mind a military as big as the US, and even several other major (not super-) powers, only about 10% of the troops actually get to use the great new equipment everything thinks is the current standard. When the nuclear powered missile cruiser was the next big thing and the California commissioned, most of the navy was still running around with oil burning gunboats.

As it is the current NATO air defence system in majority usage including by US forces is still an 80s piece of technology, the current Russian standard throughout the fleets is at least a full generation ahead.
Oh yes the US has caught up, so has European-NATO, with new terrific coordinated air defence systems a generation ahead of Aegis, well Aegis is at the moment outdated and it's mostly what you've got.

That said, the Iranians are worse off. They have to buy materiel that was outdated back in the 80s. The things major powers were replacing and so could export to small nation forces affordably in a cost recovery programme. Other than that, they have to buy off China, they're up to 2 generations behind current standard, or the Russians who won't export anything unless it's detuned to keep a step ahead of reverse engineering (ie. the way the chinese stole the Flanker design and reproduced it, but can't match current Russian Super-Flanker prototypes because they didn't get all the really good stuff exported to copy).


I wouldn't say a Coast Guard cutter could annihilate the Iranian Navy in combat, but I should certainly think even a reserve operational battlegroup would make short work of them and then have lunch.


But politically speaking you couldn't blame Iranian military leadership for believing that because US military forces are on two of their borders, with Russia to the north, that they must at least appear to be beligerent in order to maintain public order.
Unless the Iranians show direct aggression, ie. actually attack a US warship directly, then I think the best course is to just let them be for a while.

In order to assert the US has the right to internationally police sovereign territories, you must essentially declare war upon that nation, openly and formally. Those were rules set among all international bodies like the UN or League of Nations, even NATO.
The US has basically been ignoring them since 2001 and hey, I think we can all let that one slide considering...But hey it's 13 years on and the US is stating to look like the Brownshirts and bootheels of someone familiar...

So maybe the Iranians, maybe you should just sit this one out as a nation. Let the French deal with it, it'll be funny. I'll get the popcorn.

Iranian Navy

Kilo-class subs are extremely quiet coastal patrol subs, fast enough to shadow fleet units in home waters (typical job, sub screening basically, they're much quieter than a nuclear sub and the natural enemy of a NATO hunter-killer).
Harpoons can take one pretty easy but you need ideal conditions. Best way to kill these is with torpedos or depth charges, old school.

Noisier subs are targets for more modern ASW equipment, but Kilos are really quiet.

Iranian corvettes are useless in warfare as anything but reserve light patrollers, missile launchers are for show, a row boat would outrun these boats.
Their frigates have 4-8 antishipping missiles basically as good as an early series Harpoon or any similar missile used in Europe in the 80s-90s, they have a big warhead though (a little under quarter of a ton of high explosive), with an armour-punch ahead of it (timed fuse).
They're chinese made but the technology is pretty simple, inertial midcourse and radar terminal phase, the claim is ECCM is good (hard to jam).
The current standard on new antiship missiles is datalinking, GPS and even AI logarithms. It's not that modern, but the same thing as most of the US weapons stockpile out there and just as dangerous to enemies.

Keep in mind a military as big as the US, and even several other major (not super-) powers, only about 10% of the troops actually get to use the great new equipment everything thinks is the current standard. When the nuclear powered missile cruiser was the next big thing and the California commissioned, most of the navy was still running around with oil burning gunboats.

As it is the current NATO air defence system in majority usage including by US forces is still an 80s piece of technology, the current Russian standard throughout the fleets is at least a full generation ahead.
Oh yes the US has caught up, so has European-NATO, with new terrific coordinated air defence systems a generation ahead of Aegis, well Aegis is at the moment outdated and it's mostly what you've got.

That said, the Iranians are worse off. They have to buy materiel that was outdated back in the 80s. The things major powers were replacing and so could export to small nation forces affordably in a cost recovery programme. Other than that, they have to buy off China, they're up to 2 generations behind current standard, or the Russians who won't export anything unless it's detuned to keep a step ahead of reverse engineering (ie. the way the chinese stole the Flanker design and reproduced it, but can't match current Russian Super-Flanker prototypes because they didn't get all the really good stuff exported to copy).


I wouldn't say a Coast Guard cutter could annihilate the Iranian Navy in combat, but I should certainly think even a reserve operational battlegroup would make short work of them and then have lunch.


But politically speaking you couldn't blame Iranian military leadership for believing that because US military forces are on two of their borders, with Russia to the north, that they must at least appear to be beligerent in order to maintain public order.
Unless the Iranians show direct aggression, ie. actually attack a US warship directly, then I think the best course is to just let them be for a while.

In order to assert the US has the right to internationally police sovereign territories, you must essentially declare war upon that nation, openly and formally. Those were rules set among all international bodies like the UN or League of Nations, even NATO.
The US has basically been ignoring them since 2001 and hey, I think we can all let that one slide considering...But hey it's 13 years on and the US is stating to look like the Brownshirts and bootheels of someone familiar...

So maybe the Iranians, maybe you should just sit this one out as a nation. Let the French deal with it, it'll be funny. I'll get the popcorn.

Excellent piece but what about all the stuff that Russia is shipping to Syria and Iran due to US aggression? Also, Putin has pledged to stand behind Syria and Iran as has China.

what's SAS stand for?

The best trained special forces along with the SBS ( special boat service ) in the World. That's who they are and that's a fact! Surprised you never knew that? Any Green Beret, or Navy Seal, would tell you the same Mightymoe?

Excellent piece but what about all the stuff that Russia is shipping to Syria and Iran due to US aggression? Also, Putin has pledged to stand behind Syria and Iran as has China.

Excellent piece but what about all the stuff that Russia is shipping to Syria and Iran due to US aggression? Also, Putin has pledged to stand behind Syria and Iran as has China.

I love reading your spin, it's great!