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Topic: Where do you stand on Vaccines?
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 02/05/15 09:50 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 02/05/15 09:50 AM

I refuse vaccines as a personal choice since leaving the military.

I have Agent Orange poisoning received in Vietnam, a cancer that will sometime kill me......

I have no faith in Big Pharma, Monsanto, or mainstream propaganda about the good of vaccines, or drugs with side effects worse than the cause or need for them, released before proper testing, with test results documented and approved only by the companies creating them..... who control the FDA.

Where do you stand?

Silent Epidemic; The Untold Story of Vaccines - Movie - directed by Gary Null

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGyN3gCsBg#t=2811

novicesurg's photo
Thu 02/05/15 09:54 AM
Vaccination is much more important... Although it may have its own side effects... But it help to prevent diseases and spread of infection...

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Thu 02/05/15 10:20 AM
I agree with Pansy...The only ones I avoid are flu vaccines...They never made sense to me...I hope nurse (((Blondey))) weighs in on this...She would have first hand information...

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Thu 02/05/15 10:22 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 02/05/15 10:39 AM
Gary Null is a blithering Zero!grumble

http://www.quackwatch.com/04ConsumerEducation/null.html

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_Null

Null's profitable supplement business has afforded him with a luxurious estate in Florida where he keeps monkeys and other exotic animals.[5][6]laugh

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/04/29/too-deliciously-ironic-for-words-gary-nu/

Gary Null the Snakeoil-Man!

metalwing's photo
Thu 02/05/15 10:28 AM
I'm no expert on the topic but I think, in general, you should have your kids home schooled if you don't want to vaccinate them. I think public schools have the right to have the kids in a public school vaccinated.

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Thu 02/05/15 10:32 AM
I don't believe that infants should have vaccines that cross the blood/brain barrier until they are mature enough to SEE if it causes developmental delays, such as autism.

Had a frightening experience with the MMR and my infant son.


They want to include Ebola vaccine in with MMR vaccine in the future.

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Thu 02/05/15 10:48 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Thu 02/05/15 10:59 AM
The bigger picture of administering vaccines is the herd immunity... The goal is eradication... Think smallpox and currently, polio is at a minimum as only 3 countries are left that are polio endemic, according to WHO..

Why most vaccines are administered to the very young is because this is the age group that experience the highest mortality rate of the diseases vaccinated against... There are side effects but mostly are related to local reactions and systemic reactions.... Live vaccines however, such as the MMR, are more prone to systemic reactions that are similar but to a lesser degree than the illness being vaccinated against...

Some side effects are expected, and preventive measures are usually advised upon vaccination.... But most of the other side effects are idiosyncratic...a very rare less than 1% experience this...Breakthrough illness is possible, but very rarely...

As far as I know, there are no independent prospective randomized controlled studies that have verified multiple vaccinations as being the direct cause of autism... In short, the benefits definitely outweigh the risks, not only to the individual, but more so on the global scale...

Otherwise, the remaining vaccines are mostly just for "high risk" groups... Which includes flu vaccine...

I doubt that they will combine Ebola vaccine to MMR as a single dose, anytime soon... Especially not in children... Other than research testing ethics, financial cost-benefit ratio for pharmaceutical companies to do so will take up a lot of red tape...



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Thu 02/05/15 10:59 AM

The bigger picture of administering vaccines is the herd immunity... The goal is eradication... Think smallpox and currently, polio is at a minimum as only 3 countries are left that are polio endemic, according to WHO..

Why most vaccines are administered to the very young is because this is the age group that experience the highest mortality rate of the diseases vaccinated against... There are side effects but mostly are related to local reactions and systemic reactions.... Live vaccines however, such as the MMR, are more prone to systemic reactions that are similar but to a lesser degree than the illness being vaccinated against...

Some side effects are expected, and preventive measures are usually advised upon vaccination.... But most of the other side effects are idiosyncratic...a very rare less than 1% experience this...Breakthrough illness is possible, but very rarely...

As far as I know, there are no independent prospective randomized controlled studies that have verified multiple vaccinations as being the direct cause of autism... In short, the benefits definitely outweigh the risks, not only to the individual, but more so on the global scale...

Otherwise, the remaining vaccines are mostly just for "high risk" groups... Which includes flu vaccine...

I doubt that they will combine Ebola vaccine to MMR as a single dose, anytime soon... Especially not in children... Other than research testing ethics, financial cost-benefit ratio for pharmaceutical companies to do so will take up a lot of red tape...





:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Excellent post baby girl!flowerforyou

panchovanilla's photo
Thu 02/05/15 11:02 AM
I fully support vaccinations for children.
When I was 12, I had measles. My two brothers, ages 10 and 14 did also.
We were very ill, with secondary infections. Pneumonia, ear infections etc.
My mother had been a nurse, so knew how to care for us. Otherwise I doubt all 3 would have survived.
My youngest brother,8 years old, had been vaccinated. He never got sick.
I don't get the flu caccine though. I got the H1N1 caccine, when it was advised.
3 months later, I got sick. Seemed like flu. There was a 3 day blizzard, power was out, roads were blocked, and the nearest open hospital was 80 miles away. My lungs were filling with fluid, so in desperation, I treated myself with bronchiodilator meant for horses. It kept me from drowning, but it made my heart race almost out of my chest.
Since then, no flu vaccine for me.
And haven't been that sick since.

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Thu 02/05/15 11:06 AM
Edited by ladywithJesus on Thu 02/05/15 11:09 AM
I could so get on board in the conversation on vaccinations. I work in the medial field and I see the effects of the flue shot, especially seniors and it frustrates me why people just do not check into the facts on flue shots as it is at everyones finger tips today. Those that get the flue shots are getting even more or very ill which stands to reason that the bug mutates and the vaccine companies will not be able to target the correct strain of the virus. I now believe it is just a money grab for vaccine companies and the FDA. Many facts are now in on vaccines and now one can not dispute the true any longer. How many people know that it changes ones DNA not to mention how critical it alters a child's brain and development. If any one really checks into this deeper you will find out even more sinister reasons for vaccines. Please, everyone need to do their home-work.


Measles Spread by the Vaccinated: Vaccines may be a Greater Danger than You Ever Knew! Measles has been quite stubborn to be wiped out. In China, in one province, 99% of children are vaccinated but measles runs strong. -by Dr. Robert Rowen..............See more at: http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-rowen-measles-spread-by-those-vaccinated/#sthash.4KCmIsx4.dpuf

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/the-truth-about-measles-the-mainstream-media-is-suppressing/
- See more at: http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-rowen-measles-spread-by-those-vaccinated/#sthash.4KCmIsx4.dpuf

Check out; healthimpactnews.com

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 02/05/15 11:06 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 02/05/15 11:15 AM

Lady..... you are wise and so totally correct! :thumbsup:

I think some people should watch the video before commenting.

Despite who the director may or may not be the video contains documentation, medical reports, history, and just some common questions for you to consider.

Buying the Big Pharma line on vaccines you may as well be a media robot.

I'm not saying it's a total sham, many Drs hold the hypocratic oath very seriously, but then, so do some politicians.... and our rights are still in jeopardy daily

For the most part, vaccines are all about the Benjamins

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Thu 02/05/15 11:15 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Thu 02/05/15 11:17 AM
oops

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Thu 02/05/15 11:16 AM

I fully support vaccinations for children.
When I was 12, I had measles. My two brothers, ages 10 and 14 did also.
We were very ill, with secondary infections. Pneumonia, ear infections etc.
My mother had been a nurse, so knew how to care for us. Otherwise I doubt all 3 would have survived.
My youngest brother,8 years old, had been vaccinated. He never got sick.
I don't get the flu caccine though. I got the H1N1 caccine, when it was advised.
3 months later, I got sick. Seemed like flu. There was a 3 day blizzard, power was out, roads were blocked, and the nearest open hospital was 80 miles away. My lungs were filling with fluid, so in desperation, I treated myself with bronchiodilator meant for horses. It kept me from drowning, but it made my heart race almost out of my chest.
Since then, no flu vaccine for me.
And haven't been that sick since.


Lol... The flu vaccine is quite a tricky subject.... Being a viral vaccine, it may cause systemic effects... But the thing of it is, each flu strain has the H component and the N component, and these components have a variable number which defines the strain. Like H1N1, H1N2, H2N1.. And so on...

The flu vaccine is recommended yearly because the strain varies yearly, also.... And depending on whether it's northern or Southern Hemisphere.... But the thing is, it will not protect against all strains of the flu... They manufacture it based on the most likely strain that will affect for that year.... So yeah... It does seem tedious to have it taken year after year, especially if the flu strain is not that serious ( not like h1 n1)... However, it is recommended for those with co morbid conditions that can make contracting the flu fatal... Like cystic fibrosis, or other immune deficiency or cardiopulmonary illnesses...

I doubt systemic effect of the flu vaccine you got will manifest 3 months later... Seriously doubt It...
Count yourself lucky that your equine meds worked for you without overdosing into cardiac arrest!
Lol! Strong as a horse, is it?:laughing:

panchovanilla's photo
Thu 02/05/15 11:21 AM



I doubt systemic effect of the flu vaccine you got will manifest 3 months later... Seriously doubt It...
Count yourself lucky that your equine meds worked for you without overdosing into cardiac arrest!
Lol! Strong as a horse, is it?:laughing:

Just stubborn as a mule.happy

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Thu 02/05/15 11:31 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Thu 02/05/15 11:53 AM

I could so get on board in the conversation on vaccinations. I work in the medial field and I see the effects of the flue shot, especially seniors and it frustrates me why people just do not check into the facts on flue shots as it is at everyones finger tips today. Those that get the flue shots are getting even more or very ill which stands to reason that the bug mutates and the vaccine companies will not be able to target the correct strain of the virus. I now believe it is just a money grab for vaccine companies and the FDA. Many facts are now in on vaccines and now one can not dispute the true any longer. How many people know that it changes ones DNA not to mention how critical it alters a child's brain and development. If any one really checks into this deeper you will find out even more sinister reasons for vaccines. Please, everyone need to do their home-work.


Measles Spread by the Vaccinated: Vaccines may be a Greater Danger than You Ever Knew! Measles has been quite stubborn to be wiped out. In China, in one province, 99% of children are vaccinated but measles runs strong. -by Dr. Robert Rowen..............See more at: http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-rowen-measles-spread-by-those-vaccinated/#sthash.4KCmIsx4.dpuf

http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/the-truth-about-measles-the-mainstream-media-is-suppressing/
- See more at: http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/dr-rowen-measles-spread-by-those-vaccinated/#sthash.4KCmIsx4.dpuf

Check out; healthimpactnews.com


The last mutations of the flu virus was not brought about by the vaccine.... If you read on it... It is brought about by mutation of an exclusively avian strain into humans.... Just like Ebola was not a human virus but did evolve into one...
Irrational use of antibiotics are more likely to bring about mutations, but on bacteria and not on viruses, rather than widespread use of vaccines, as a vaccine action is brought about by inducing immunity... Therefore, the virus will not evolve if it does not have a host...

I seriously doubt that 99% of the entire population in china is vaccinated against measles... Perhaps that is the rate of vaccinations for those reported in their census... There is still a lot of remote and rural areas that escape reporting...not to mention lack of education as to how to effectively quarantine a person with measles...

If it's a money issue with the pharmaceuticals, I do believe that whatever they may charge those who can afford it for developing the vaccines is pretty much balanced with providing vaccines for 3 rd world countries for free or at minimal costing... If they profit from it or if they get tax breaks from it, they deserve it, well, it's a business, and research costs billions..... But I tend to believe that the larger profit margins of drug companies come from medications sold for lifestyle meds... Like those meds for maintaining blood pressure and diabetes...etc.... I don't hear anyone wholeheartedly willing to give up a certain lifestyle they got used to, in lieu of taking these meds in order to maintain that lifestyle...

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Thu 02/05/15 11:36 AM
I believe in the modern world, with the AVERAGE diet and exposure to airborne illness and other disease,,, vaccination in youth is important,,,

I havent worried about it since high school and see no further need to receive vaccines after the immune system is that far developed

both my children had their vaccines too and are very rarely ill,,,

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Thu 02/05/15 11:48 AM
Edited by Pansytilly on Thu 02/05/15 11:50 AM

I believe in the modern world, with the AVERAGE diet and exposure to airborne illness and other disease,,, vaccination in youth is important,,,

I havent worried about it since high school and see no further need to receive vaccines after the immune system is that far developed

both my children had their vaccines too and are very rarely ill,,,


Yes you are right in mentioning that younger children have only developing immunities, hence the need for certain vaccines become paramount..... Don't get me wrong, vaccination is not the answer to all the illnesses... I think the video was kind of alluding to that...That will simply be very non-physiologic and unnatural...not to mention, financial suicide for vaccine developers....

What I am saying is that the vaccines are developed for a reason, and that reAson is that the illnesses they were made for are those illnesses which portend an extremely high mortality and morbidity rate, especially in children less than 5 and in the immunocompromised.

As for vaccinations in the other "at-risk" groups, even a healthy child does not mean one who does not need further vaccination... For example, HPV vaccine is for the prevention of developing cervical cancer recommended for adolescent females... You wouldn't wait for your child to have genital warts and cervical cancer first...

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Thu 02/05/15 12:18 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Thu 02/05/15 12:19 PM

Sadly, ignorance will kill more children than any disease.

Scientific proof is out there but the human nature is to deny it and foolishly believe as they have been trained to that the propaganda fed us by the (Big Pharma) corporate sponsored media machine is all the proof they need, denying the sciences, and slacking from the difficulty of their own research

For people claiming to have a brain, it amazes me so few actually care to take the time to consider actual scientific based reports garnered from a few moments of research over their own beliefs....

even at the risk of their own children

I read some of these comments and it almost brings me to tears.

Due to my cancer I have read quite a bit into the sciences, and while I believe there is much to be thankful for from medical research one size does not fit all, a mass "immunization" of children with experimental drugs containing toxins, metals, live viruses and other unnatural ingredients, and then mandating it to receive an education (for profit), is a sick thought at its very core!

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Thu 02/05/15 12:18 PM


The bigger picture of administering vaccines is the herd immunity... The goal is eradication... Think smallpox and currently, polio is at a minimum as only 3 countries are left that are polio endemic, according to WHO..

Why most vaccines are administered to the very young is because this is the age group that experience the highest mortality rate of the diseases vaccinated against... There are side effects but mostly are related to local reactions and systemic reactions.... Live vaccines however, such as the MMR, are more prone to systemic reactions that are similar but to a lesser degree than the illness being vaccinated against...

Some side effects are expected, and preventive measures are usually advised upon vaccination.... But most of the other side effects are idiosyncratic...a very rare less than 1% experience this...Breakthrough illness is possible, but very rarely...

As far as I know, there are no independent prospective randomized controlled studies that have verified multiple vaccinations as being the direct cause of autism... In short, the benefits definitely outweigh the risks, not only to the individual, but more so on the global scale...

Otherwise, the remaining vaccines are mostly just for "high risk" groups... Which includes flu vaccine...

I doubt that they will combine Ebola vaccine to MMR as a single dose, anytime soon... Especially not in children... Other than research testing ethics, financial cost-benefit ratio for pharmaceutical companies to do so will take up a lot of red tape...





:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Excellent post baby girl!flowerforyou


I try... Some are hits, some are misses flowerforyou

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Thu 02/05/15 12:18 PM




I doubt systemic effect of the flu vaccine you got will manifest 3 months later... Seriously doubt It...
Count yourself lucky that your equine meds worked for you without overdosing into cardiac arrest!
Lol! Strong as a horse, is it?:laughing:

Just stubborn as a mule.happy


I agree laugh

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