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Topic: Mars One
Donte9214's photo
Sat 03/21/15 05:05 PM
What's up everyone. What do you think about people taking that one way ticket to Mars? I couldn't imagine leaving Earth, my family, friends, technology, or the things I worked hard for to completely start over on a new planet. Would you guys do that just to be apart of history? Even if you're unsure about if it's safe or not.

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Sat 03/21/15 06:16 PM

What's up everyone. What do you think about people taking that one way ticket to Mars? I couldn't imagine leaving Earth, my family, friends, technology, or the things I worked hard for to completely start over on a new planet. Would you guys do that just to be apart of history? Even if you're unsure about if it's safe or not.
Nope, cos unless the hull of the ship is at least 6ft thick of lead, they'll get fried by the radiation in the Van Allen belt. Check out Disclosetv, as the video is on there, as I watched it yesterday, ok?

metalwing's photo
Sat 03/21/15 07:22 PM


What's up everyone. What do you think about people taking that one way ticket to Mars? I couldn't imagine leaving Earth, my family, friends, technology, or the things I worked hard for to completely start over on a new planet. Would you guys do that just to be apart of history? Even if you're unsure about if it's safe or not.
Nope, cos unless the hull of the ship is at least 6ft thick of lead, they'll get fried by the radiation in the Van Allen belt. Check out Disclosetv, as the video is on there, as I watched it yesterday, ok?


You don't need that much protection.

From Space.com

" In transit to Mars, the Mars One crew will be protected from the other source of radiation — solar particles — by the structure of the spacecraft, which will provide 10 to 15 grams per square centimeter (2.3 to 3.4 ounces per square inch) of shielding, equivalent to 4 to 6 inches (10 to 15 cm) of water.

That level of protection will not suffice in the case of coronal mass ejections, solar flares and other sources of solar particle events.

Taking their cue from an onboard solar-flare forecasting and radiation measurement system the crew will retreat to a dedicated radiation shelter located in a hollow water tank, where shielding will increase to a total of 40 grams per square cm (9 ounces per square inch)."

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Sat 03/21/15 07:27 PM



What's up everyone. What do you think about people taking that one way ticket to Mars? I couldn't imagine leaving Earth, my family, friends, technology, or the things I worked hard for to completely start over on a new planet. Would you guys do that just to be apart of history? Even if you're unsure about if it's safe or not.
Nope, cos unless the hull of the ship is at least 6ft thick of lead, they'll get fried by the radiation in the Van Allen belt. Check out Disclosetv, as the video is on there, as I watched it yesterday, ok?


You don't need that much protection.

From Space.com

" In transit to Mars, the Mars One crew will be protected from the other source of radiation — solar particles — by the structure of the spacecraft, which will provide 10 to 15 grams per square centimeter (2.3 to 3.4 ounces per square inch) of shielding, equivalent to 4 to 6 inches (10 to 15 cm) of water.

That level of protection will not suffice in the case of coronal mass ejections, solar flares and other sources of solar particle events.

Taking their cue from an onboard solar-flare forecasting and radiation measurement system the crew will retreat to a dedicated radiation shelter located in a hollow water tank, where shielding will increase to a total of 40 grams per square cm (9 ounces per square inch)."
Well it's NASA's own video that's on that site Metalwing, saying that. Check it out if you want?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 03/22/15 05:38 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 03/22/15 05:41 AM

Live a lifelong dream of space travel or stay here with screwed up healthcare, pollution, bills, less privacy and rights, Big Brother watching your every move and tracking you, Obozo, Hitlary, and the terrorists.....



Where do I sign up?




metalwing's photo
Sun 03/22/15 05:52 AM




What's up everyone. What do you think about people taking that one way ticket to Mars? I couldn't imagine leaving Earth, my family, friends, technology, or the things I worked hard for to completely start over on a new planet. Would you guys do that just to be apart of history? Even if you're unsure about if it's safe or not.
Nope, cos unless the hull of the ship is at least 6ft thick of lead, they'll get fried by the radiation in the Van Allen belt. Check out Disclosetv, as the video is on there, as I watched it yesterday, ok?


You don't need that much protection.

From Space.com

" In transit to Mars, the Mars One crew will be protected from the other source of radiation — solar particles — by the structure of the spacecraft, which will provide 10 to 15 grams per square centimeter (2.3 to 3.4 ounces per square inch) of shielding, equivalent to 4 to 6 inches (10 to 15 cm) of water.

That level of protection will not suffice in the case of coronal mass ejections, solar flares and other sources of solar particle events.

Taking their cue from an onboard solar-flare forecasting and radiation measurement system the crew will retreat to a dedicated radiation shelter located in a hollow water tank, where shielding will increase to a total of 40 grams per square cm (9 ounces per square inch)."
Well it's NASA's own video that's on that site Metalwing, saying that. Check it out if you want?


I looked but couldn't find it. Maybe you could post it? But the reality is that it simply doesn't take that much lead to shield from Solar Radiation. Water works as a reasonable shielding material.

no photo
Sun 03/22/15 05:53 AM
I have traveled the world and visited all 7 continents (yes, there are 7). I would love to visit Mars but I couldn't see myself living there. It takes 9 months to get there, 3 months there, 9 months to get back. That would still be a tough trip if I were to visit.

metalwing's photo
Sun 03/22/15 06:21 AM

I have traveled the world and visited all 7 continents (yes, there are 7). I would love to visit Mars but I couldn't see myself living there. It takes 9 months to get there, 3 months there, 9 months to get back. That would still be a tough trip if I were to visit.


The new rocket engines make the possible trip much quicker. NASA has been slow in their development due to budget issues.

"Mars in 39 days

In order to conduct a manned trip to "Mars in just 39 days",[36][37][38] the VASIMR will need the kind of electrical power that can only be delivered by nuclear propulsion (specifically the nuclear electric type) by way of nuclear power in space.[39] This kind of nuclear fission reactor might use a traditional Rankine/Brayton/Stirling conversion engine such as that used by the SAFE-400 reactor (Brayton cycle) or the DUFF KiloPower[40] reactor (Stirling cycle) to convert heat to electricity, but might be better served with non-moving parts and non-steam based power conversion using a thermocell technology of the thermoelectric (including graphene-based thermal power conversion[41][42][43]), pyroelectric, thermophotovoltaic, thermionic, magnetohydrodynamic type, or some as yet undiscovered technology or thermoelectric materials for converting heat energy (being both black-body radiation and the kinetic thermal vibration of molecules and other particles) to electric current energy (being electrons flowing through a circuit). In order to avoid the need for "football-field sized radiators" (Zubrin quote) for a "200,000 kilowatt (200 megawatt) reactor with a power to mass density of 1,000 watts per kilogram" (D�az quote)[44][45] this reactor will also need efficient waste heat capturing technology."

no photo
Sun 03/22/15 06:24 AM
Great. Now, what's the price tag?

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Sun 03/22/15 06:35 AM

Great. Now, what's the price tag?
Nothing! It's a one-way ticket and you don't come back!

no photo
Sun 03/22/15 06:37 AM
I am sure there will be roundtrips one day.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Sun 03/22/15 06:42 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Sun 03/22/15 06:43 AM

They'll turn it into a penal colony , then one day fund them with aid and arms, and we'll end up fighting them too!

Your tax dollars at work!

laugh

RoamingOrator's photo
Sun 03/22/15 06:46 AM
I just can't see living in a place where the atmosphere isn't breathable and the temperatures never get above zero (Fahrenheit or Celsius). Now, if I could breathe and go outside without a jacket, I'd be in!!!

Donte9214's photo
Sun 03/22/15 08:06 AM


Live a lifelong dream of space travel or stay here with screwed up healthcare, pollution, bills, less privacy and rights, Big Brother watching your every move and tracking you, Obozo, Hitlary, and the terrorists.....



Where do I sign up?





I can understand your point of view, but I can see leaving everything that is already established just to start over.

metalwing's photo
Sun 03/22/15 01:02 PM

I just can't see living in a place where the atmosphere isn't breathable and the temperatures never get above zero (Fahrenheit or Celsius). Now, if I could breathe and go outside without a jacket, I'd be in!!!


From the NASA website - Terraforming Mars

About Terraforming

"Transforming Mars will be a long and complicated process. But this is exactly the type of subject that interests space researchers like Christopher McKay of NASA Ames Research Center. First, greenhouse gases, like chlorofluorocarbons that contribute to the growing ozone layer on Earth, will be released into the atmosphere. This traps the heat from the Sun and raises the surface temperature by an average of 4 degrees Celsius. In order to achieve this, factories would manufacture chlorofluorocarbons derived from the air and soil. A single factory would require the power equivalent of a large nuclear power plant.

The increasing temperature would vaporize some of the carbon dioxide in the south polar cap. Introducing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere would produce additional warming, melting more of the polar cap until it has been vaporized completely. This would produce an average temperature rise of 70 degrees Celsius.

With the temperature this high, ice will start melting, providing the water needed to sustain life. This water would raise the atmospheric pressure to the equivalent of some mountaintops. While this would be a survivable level, it may still require the use of an oxygen mask. The next step, which may take up to several centuries, would be to plant trees that thrive on carbon dioxide and produce oxygen. "

messi_is_a_tim_1888's photo
Sun 03/22/15 01:19 PM

I just can't see living in a place where the atmosphere isn't breathable and the temperatures never get above zero (Fahrenheit or Celsius). Now, if I could breathe and go outside without a jacket, I'd be in!!!
Well you could go outside with a jacket on, but you'd also die a horrible death in that Martian atmosphere straight away too! Personally, I'd rather stay here on Terra firma!

msharmony's photo
Sun 03/22/15 01:23 PM
there are too many places right on earth that I haven't seen,, so no,,

and as it always goes, the first there and the most affluent make the rules, I have no doubt it would be that way on any planet with humans,, so no,, Id like to move forward from where we are, not go backwards to where we started,,,

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 03/22/15 01:36 PM
how about sending up Congress?laugh

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 03/22/15 05:09 PM
Although I am too old to be eligible for such a project, I would love the opportunity of venturing into space and be a part of the early terraforming of Mars.

And during any time off, I'd be fossicking on Mars! Woohoo!!!!

metalwing's photo
Sun 03/22/15 09:34 PM

Although I am too old to be eligible for such a project, I would love the opportunity of venturing into space and be a part of the early terraforming of Mars.

And during any time off, I'd be fossicking on Mars! Woohoo!!!!


Yep! Me too!

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