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2OLD2MESSAROUND
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NBC News To Air 2-Part 'Transgender Kids' Special The Huffington Post |By JamesMichael Nichols Posted: 04/21/2015 What is it like to be in the earliest stages of life but to feel a disconnect between your body and your sense of self? As transgender visibility continues to increase in mainstream society, NBC News takes a look at some of the youngest members of the transgender community: children. In a two-part special titled "Transgender Kids," slated to air this week, NBC's Katie Snow will share the stories of 5-year-old Jacob Lemay and 8-year-old Malisa Phillips, two children transitioning to live as their authentic selves. The perspectives of the pair's parents will also be a prominent part of the special. "I want him to know how proud I am of him," Jacob's mother says in the above video, "how brave I believe he is and how no matter what I am in his corner and I love him and always will. Because he's my son." "Transgender Kids” will air in two parts on NBC Nightly News, Tuesday April 21 and Wednesday, April 22. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/21/transgender-kids-nbc_n_7109954.html I'll apologize if the 'MODS' deem this to be in the WRONG thread-section but I didn't think that the 'PARENT' one was quite right either; so I put it in here for 'CURRENT NEWS' {move it if you deem it necessary}!  I watched this Special {between another show on PBS about Hitler's Siegfried Line/Battle of the Bulge} both shows were highly fascinating and I was torn between the two! Tonight this 2nd part will get my full undivided attention... I'm really torn as a 'Baby Boomer' adult and knowing what harm our physicians did to some of those dual-sex {Intersex} babies and then these little kids; where their DNA just makes them highly aware that they just don't fit into the gender that their genital was formed while they were being born! Very - Very challenging as a parent; what would you do - how would you deal with this if your little one didn't fit the 'NORM' for their gender body type? |
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SassyEuro
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Quota>...>Transgender> Crossdressing
American Psycological Association> 1911 grammarist.com/usage www.isna.org/fuq> hermoaphodite www.gotquestions.org/ medical - dictionary.the free dictionary. com www.isna.org>faq>transgender |
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2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Thu 04/23/15 11:24 AM
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Quota>...>Transgender> Crossdressing American Psycological Association> 1911 grammarist.com/usage www.isna.org/fuq> hermaphrodite www.gotquestions.org/ medical - dictionary.the free dictionary. com www.isna.org>faq>transgender Children born with dual sex genital are not called "hermaphrodite" any more...{Intersex} is the term that is used. Did you have an opinion Sassy? |
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"Jacob" was born a girl....not "intersex", correct? The kid is 5.....call me she hits puberty and wants to be a girl again.
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msharmony
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Thu 04/23/15 11:49 AM
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I consider my child whatever the biology deems them
if they have penis and no uterus, they are a male if they have vagina and not testicles or penis, they are a female if I had a child born with penis and no uterus or vagina, who was confused in 'feeling' more like a female(whatever it is to FEEL like a gender) I would go the same route as with a child with any other body detachment,, like an eating disorder, or multiple personalities I would concentrate on ways to help them embrace their gender AND their unique qualities while being that gender,,, |
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Edited of personal attacks.
soufie Site Moderator |
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RebalArcher stated >>> "Jacob" was born a girl....not "intersex", correct? The kid is 5.....call me she hits puberty and wants to be a girl again. Since I was flipping between channels, I might have missed the finite details about 'Jacobs' birth gender facts and just how his school is going to handle those 'restroom' breaks; I was hoping someone else caught the special and could fill me in! I do know that both parents and 'Jacob' seem very happy and well adjusted with his choice and surroundings now. I was did some reading and found out that early 1800's - 1900's pink was the color given for boys and blue was the color used to denote girls and that both gender children wore smocks {lose fitting similar to dresses} until they were about 5 yrs of age and then the boys got knickers or bib overalls if you were a rural-farm child. We sure have changed things around from those days. HUH |
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SassyEuro
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Thu 04/23/15 03:20 PM
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2OLD2MESSAROUND,
Pink & Blue was reversed? I never heard this? I find this disturbing. If you remember where you read it. please let me know. The baby girls & boys in dresses I knew. I think that extended into the 1900's here in the USA (or perhaps my immigrant ancestors, who came through the White Star ship lines). I have seen the documents & photos. And I know it was probably much more comfortable for a toddler & maybe easier, on the mother. Most children did not make it to the age of seven. I have morbid photos of those ancestor deceased babies in gowns in caskets :-( , Many cultures did not name a child until 1, 5 or even 7 yrs old (mine did). The TV show... I did not see. And would not want to (.I don't have TV reception or cable). For spiritual reasons & because I do not think any parent can make that decision for a child. Only in extreme cases of TRUE intersex children should it be considered. IMO. Your question- Yes the PC word is now intersex, because hermaphrodite is actually vague & had been miss used throughout history, &is up to interpretation. Intersex is complicated,.... both male & female organs must be present but... it may differ from the chromosomes , hormones & even the psychology of the individual & there sexual preference ( some do not have a preference or what we consider a desire) IMO- only an adult can make this decision for themselves. |
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2OLD2MESSAROUND
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Thu 04/23/15 03:33 PM
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2OLD2MESSAROUND, Pink & Blue was reversed? I never heard this? I find this disturbing. If you remember where you read it. please let me know. The baby girls & boys in dresses I knew. I think that extended into the 1900's here in the USA (or perhaps my immigrant ancestors, who came through the White Star ship lines). I have seen the documents & photos. And I know it was probably much more comfortable for a toddler & maybe easier, on the mother. Most children did not make it to the age of seven. I have morbid photos of those ancestor deceased babies in gowns in caskets :-( , Many cultures did not name a child until 1, 5 or even 7 yrs old (mine did). The TV show... I did not see. And would not want to (.I don't have TV reception or cable). For spiritual reasons & because I do not think any parent can make that decision for a child. Only in extreme cases of TRUE intersex children should it be considered. IMO. Your question- Yes the PC word is now intersex, because hermaphrodite is actually vague & had been miss used throughout history, &is up to interpretation. Intersex is complicated,.... both male & female organs must be present but... it may differ from the chromosomes , hormones & even the psychology of the individual & there sexual preference ( some do not have a preference or what we consider a desire) IMO- only an adult can make this decision for themselves. It was an article in my Smithsonian Magazine; I was reading about the Roosevelt Family in particular and this led to the info about the gender colors >>> Why have young children��s clothing styles changed so dramatically? How did we end up with two teams ��boys in blue and girls in pink? It'��s really a story of what happened to neutral clothing,�� says Paoletti, who has explored the meaning of children's clothing for 30 years. For centuries, she says, children wore dainty white dresses up to age 6. ��What was once a matter of practicality you dress your baby in white dresses and diapers; white cotton can be bleached ��became a matter of '��Oh my God, if I dress my baby in the wrong thing, they'��ll grow up perverted,'�� Paoletti says. The march toward gender-specific clothes was neither linear nor rapid. Pink and blue arrived, along with other pastels, as colors for babies in the mid-19th century, yet the two colors were not promoted as gender signifiers until just before World War I—and even then, it took time for popular culture to sort things out. For example, a June 1918 article from the trade publication Earnshaw's Infants' Department said, ��The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and blue for the girls. The reason is that pink, being a more decided and stronger color, is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl. Other sources said blue was flattering for blonds, pink for brunettes; or blue was for blue-eyed babies, pink for brown-eyed babies, according to Paoletti. In 1927, Time magazine printed a chart showing sex-appropriate colors for girls and boys according to leading U.S. stores. In Boston, Filene��s told parents to dress boys in pink. So did Best & Co. in New York City, Halle'��s in Cleveland and Marshall Field in Chicago. Today'��s color dictate wasn'��t established until the 1940s, as a result of Americans�� preferences as interpreted by manufacturers and retailers. ��'It could have gone the other way,'�� Paoletti says. So the baby boomers were raised in gender-specific clothing. Boys dressed like their fathers, girls like their mothers. Girls had to wear dresses to school, though unadorned styles and tomboy play clothes were acceptable. Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/when-did-girls-start-wearing-pink-1370097/#OtzPMvRbskb4xoyO.99 Babies don't know what color they are wearing and it's just us - the adults that seem so 'COLOR' sensitive about putting them in specific color classifications! And I wasn't even aware that there was a 'NAME CHANGE' from 'Hermaphrodite - Intersex' either until a morning news program was discussing this show; learn something new every day! |
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We sure have changed things around from I can tell you what hasnt changed......a child born with a penis is a boy, and one born with a vagina is a girl. those days. HUH The particular story about Mia ( "Jacobs" birth name) has been around awhile, since abt 2013 I believe. And the story has made the usual social media circuit as well as being mentioned in several major news publications. Google and look further down the results page for some of the older articles if interested. If I remember correctly, Mia came to her parents and stated she was a boy at the age of........TWO! Seems the parents, for whatever reason, ran with it. They appear to enjoy the attention. As far as terms to call the child, I would suggest "tomboy". I remember several of those from my youth.......and they all grew up to be beautiful women. |
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Transgender in the news-
Adults- Bruce Jenner Orange is the New Black Transparent www.CNN.com/2015/04/23 Children- TV series (Jacob's story) Deadline.com/2015/04/23 |
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I just wish that Bruce Jenner would make up his mind...
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I just wish that Bruce Jenner would make up his mind... |
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Oh, of course it was disturbing!
Corporate America/ Advertising dictating to the masses for their own profit again!  Geez. look what we have done.. to holidays & everything else. No body get me started on Thanksgiving, Easter & Valentines Day , Christmas..   .
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alleoops stated >>> I just wish that Bruce Jenner would make up his mind... This one has me really scrath'n my head; he's got something like 6 kids of his own. Bruce was married to Chrystie Crownover from December 15, 1972 to January 2, 1981 during the height of his athletic career,p and had two children with her: Burton William “Burt” Jenner (born September 6, 1978) was named after Bruce’s younger brother Burt who died in car accident. Burt was followed by Cassandra Lynn “Casey” Jenner on June 10, 1980. He has two sons, Brandon Thompson Jenner (June 4, 1981) and Sam Brody Jenner (August 21, 1983,) born to ex-wife Linda Thompson, who he was married to from 1981 to 1985. He also has two girl with wife Kris: Kendall Nicole Jenner (November 3, 1995) and Kylie Kristen Jenner (August 10, 1997.) I mean it's one thing to decide to do this {I just can't imagine all that surgery & pain} but what this does to the family and those conversations with those grand kids: ya, this was grandpa but now your to call her - grandma  Boggles my wee-little brain!  |
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"Jacob" was born a girl....not "intersex", correct? The kid is 5.....call me she hits puberty and wants to be a girl again. I absolutely agree with the ' tomboy' theory. I have seen it time & time again. I was raised with two sisters & a girl cousin. Two played with dolls & wanted bows in their hair & myself & one sister did not. We braided our hair & had all boy toys. Four girls... allowed... to do & wear what want, raised in the same house. All heterosexual, got married & had at least 2 kids. No family members panic or ran us to a shrink. By the time we were 13-15 years old... we changed. |
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RebelArcher Stated >>> "Jacob" was born a girl....not "intersex", correct? The kid is 5.....call me she hits puberty and wants to be a girl again. SassyEuro stated >>> I absolutely agree with the ' tomboy' theory. I have seen it time & time again. I was raised with two sisters & a girl cousin. Two played with dolls & wanted bows in their hair & myself & one sister did not. We braided our hair & had all boy toys. Four girls... allowed... to do & wear what want, raised in the same house. All heterosexual, got married & had at least 2 kids. No family members panic or ran us to a shrink. By the time we were 13-15 years old... we changed. I fully concur with that; out of 5 siblings my closet set of hand me downs were from my 2 older brothers {1 was 11 months older than I} and being raised on a farm...well it was bib overalls/barefoot/no shirt for me until school started --- that was what all the rural kids wore! I guess I'm just finding this so 'train wreck' fascinating because I just can't imagine 2 adult parents looking at their lovely little girl and saying 'OK, whatever you want?' and the school still going along with it? Now those children born 'Intersexed'...well that's a whole other tough issue and I honestly don't know what/which way to go with that one; I don't think we have a great DNA/chromeazone test to tell what would be the RIGHT THING TO DO in that situation! Geeze - Louise, there's just so many things that can go wrong between birth and adulthood --- I can't imagine what the hell Bruce Jenner's parents are thinking? |
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alleoops stated >>> I just wish that Bruce Jenner would make up his mind... This one has me really scrath'n my head; he's got something like 6 kids of his own. Bruce was married to Chrystie Crownover from December 15, 1972 to January 2, 1981 during the height of his athletic career,p and had two children with her: Burton William “Burt” Jenner (born September 6, 1978) was named after Bruce’s younger brother Burt who died in car accident. Burt was followed by Cassandra Lynn “Casey” Jenner on June 10, 1980. He has two sons, Brandon Thompson Jenner (June 4, 1981) and Sam Brody Jenner (August 21, 1983,) born to ex-wife Linda Thompson, who he was married to from 1981 to 1985. He also has two girl with wife Kris: Kendall Nicole Jenner (November 3, 1995) and Kylie Kristen Jenner (August 10, 1997.) I mean it's one thing to decide to do this {I just can't imagine all that surgery & pain} but what this does to the family and those conversations with those grand kids: ya, this was grandpa but now your to call her - grandma Boggles my wee-little brain! Wait a minute, he is about 65 ? I think Poppy's cheese slid off his cracker. |
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RebelArcher Stated >>> "Jacob" was born a girl....not "intersex", correct? The kid is 5.....call me she hits puberty and wants to be a girl again. SassyEuro stated >>> I absolutely agree with the ' tomboy' theory. I have seen it time & time again. I was raised with two sisters & a girl cousin. Two played with dolls & wanted bows in their hair & myself & one sister did not. We braided our hair & had all boy toys. Four girls... allowed... to do & wear what want, raised in the same house. All heterosexual, got married & had at least 2 kids. No family members panic or ran us to a shrink. By the time we were 13-15 years old... we changed. I fully concur with that; out of 5 siblings my closet set of hand me downs were from my 2 older brothers {1 was 11 months older than I} and being raised on a farm...well it was bib overalls/barefoot/no shirt for me until school started --- that was what all the rural kids wore! I guess I'm just finding this so 'train wreck' fascinating because I just can't imagine 2 adult parents looking at their lovely little girl and saying 'OK, whatever you want?' and the school still going along with it? Now those children born 'Intersexed'...well that's a whole other tough issue and I honestly don't know what/which way to go with that one; I don't think we have a great DNA/chromeazone test to tell what would be the RIGHT THING TO DO in that situation! Geeze - Louise, there's just so many things that can go wrong between birth and adulthood --- I can't imagine what the hell Bruce Jenner's parents are thinking? Some kids have ' gender identity confusion' & it is really not that serious & goes away itself (& there is usually another issue in the home). But a small child saying they are or want to be the opposite sex, is the sane as them wanting or saying they are an animal. They are ' pretending'. It infuriates me, the way we sexualize children ( nowdays). It is the adults who are SICK. |
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Children are sexualied the moment they are born (sometimes earlier with ultrasound imaging) It is the first thing we ask...is it a boy or a girl?? As if this is the most important thing about this new person. Then we proceed to dress them differently, talk to them differently and treat them differently.
I read a story about a family who did not divulge the sex of their child when it was born and gave it an ambiguous name. They wanted to see how the child developed without pressure to behave one way or another. Not sure how successful they were as I haven't seen any follow up stories. Of course males and females are different and think differently with a wide spectrum of behaviors. But I wonder what the world would be like, if we focused more on people as individuals first and obsessed less with their sex. Perhaps people would be able to unfold their resulting sexuality without pressure to perform a certain way and have more freedom to express themselves (in so many areas of their life). It also might allow those who are born intersexed (happens more than you think)and their families live a less pressured life and make unfortunate decisions. Just a thought... 
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