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Topic: Philadelphia PA- Amtrak Terror / Terrorism?
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Wed 05/13/15 07:57 PM
"" WASHINGTON/PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - The
commuter rail route where an Amtrak train left
the track on Tuesday was not governed by an
advanced safety technology meant to prevent
high-speed derailments, investigators said on
Wednesday.
A system called "positive train control" (PTC)
automatically slows or even halts trains that
are moving too fast or heading into a danger
zone. Under current law, the rail industry must
adopt the technology by the end of this year.
The investigation into the cause of Tuesday's
crash, in which seven people were killed, has
only just begun but initial examination of the
train's data recorders determined the train
was traveling 106 miles per hour (171 km per
hour) in a 50-mph (80-kph) zone.
It would have been impossible for a train to
reach such speeds if PTC had been in place,
officials said.
"Based on what we know right now, we feel
that had such a system been installed in this
section of track, this accident would not have
occurred," said Robert Sumwalt, a board
member of the National Transportation Safety
Board.
Amtrak has begun installing components of a
PTC system but the network is not yet
functioning, federal officials said.
Amtrak officials did not respond to calls for
comment.
Federal rules require the national rail network
to have an operating PTC system by the end
of the year, though many lawmakers have
endorsed rail industry appeals for more time
to comply.""
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN0NY2DW20150513?irpc=932

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Wed 05/13/15 08:25 PM
why do they need someone driving the train anyway? they have pilotless planes, do they really need a train driver anymore?

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Wed 05/13/15 08:43 PM

why do they need someone driving the train anyway? they have pilotless planes, do they really need a train driver anymore?

they need someone to wear those cool hats.

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Wed 05/13/15 10:33 PM
I don't thing it was terrorism. From what I read he applied the emergency brakes.. too late of course. A terrorist would have just opened the throttle more

Let see what pops up when they look at his cell phone records. I would bet he was texting...or sleeping.... has happened before

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Wed 05/13/15 10:48 PM
i agree with moe on this 1, the train should drive itself, with someone there to make sure everything goes like it should. just incase of a malfunction the driver would be able to correct it. but the thing is on tracks for gods sake, it should be able to drive itself. theyre talking about having driverless cars within the next 10 years, but yet we cant have a train that drives itself?

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Thu 05/14/15 06:20 AM

i agree with moe on this 1, the train should drive itself, with someone there to make sure everything goes like it should. just incase of a malfunction the driver would be able to correct it. but the thing is on tracks for gods sake, it should be able to drive itself. theyre talking about having driverless cars within the next 10 years, but yet we cant have a train that drives itself?


Airbus designed a flight control system that would correct pilot errors.

But that didn't stop their planes from crashing.

Nothing is infallible.

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Thu 05/14/15 09:38 AM
Edited by 2OLD2MESSAROUND on Thu 05/14/15 09:40 AM
Knee - Jerk reaction to piss poor employee behavior; or something that we tax payers need to keep supporting regardless of the amount of money that Amtrak has paid out over the years for their negligence and numerous wrecks?



House Passes Amtrak Bill That Could Boost Northeast Service
March 4, 2015 5:12 PM
UPDATED: March 4, 2015 11:04 p.m.

WASHINGTON -�� In a rare burst of bipartisanship, the House moved Wednesday to boost Amtrak'��s popular service between Boston and Washington while giving states a greater say in the local routes they help subsidize.

The bill, approved by a vote of 316 to 101, authorizes $7.2 billion in federal subsidies for passenger rail, including about $1.4 billion a year over four years in subsidies for Amtrak. That'��s nearly the same as current spending levels, disappointing Amtrak supporters who had urged a significant increase to help the railroad address its deteriorating infrastructure and aging equipment.

But in a compromise between Democrats and Republicans, the bill separates Amtrak'��s Northeast Corridor service between Boston and Washington from its long-distance routes. That would allow Amtrak to use profits from the money-making corridor for improvements that could speed up trains and enhance service on the route. Amtrak officials have long complained that they'��ve had to use Northeast Corridor profits to subsidize 15 unprofitable long-distance routes around the country.

The bill would also give officials in 19 states “a seat at the table” with Amtrak when deciding changes and budgets for service in their states, said Rep. Bill Shuster, R-Pa., chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. And it directs Amtrak to make changes in the financial information it provides state and local governments and the public so that the information is more “transparent,” he said.

The bill also includes a provision by Rep. Jeff Denham, R-Calif., that would permit Amtrak passengers to bring pets with them.
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/03/04/house-passes-amtrak-bill-that-could-boost-northeast-service/


The Union Pacific is spending money on improvements for infrastructure that Amtrak utilizes in my area...Hmmmm



Yesterday and today, Union Pacific Railroad announced plans to improve rail infrastructure in Colorado, Illinois, Iowa and Missouri.

In Iowa, UP plans to spend more than $109 million this year, including $105 million to maintain track, $1.5 million to enhance signal systems and $2.8 million to maintain or replace bridges in the state. Key investments include:
$18.3 million to replace more than 34 miles of rail, repair the surfaces at 37 grade crossings and replace seven switches on a line between Bradford and near Mason City;
$13.3 million to replace nearly 23 miles of rail, repair the surfaces at 30 crossings and replace nine switches on a line between Garden City and Grant; and
$12 million to replace 83,300 ties and install 25,100 tons of ballast on a line between Ames and near Belle Plaine. In addition, crews will repair surfaces at 67 crossings.

In Missouri, UP has budgeted $66 million for maintenance-of-way (MOW) work, including nearly $48 million to maintain track, $8 million to enhance signal systems, and $10 million to maintain or replace bridges. Key investments include:

$12.2 million to upgrade a line between Marshall and near Jefferson City by replacing 82,600 ties, installing 46,000 tons of ballast and repairing surfaces at 84 crossings;
$9.7 million to improve a line between St. Louis and near Grey Summit by replacing 61,300 ties, installing 31,600 tons of ballast and repairing surfaces at 49 crossings; and
$6.9 million to bolster a line between Kansas City and near the Missouri/Kansas border by replacing 47,000 ties, installing 23,300 tons of ballast and repairing surfaces at 138 crossings.

In Colorado, the railroad plans to spend $41 million on MOW, including $34 million to maintain track, $860,000 to enhance signal systems, and nearly $6 million to maintain or replace bridges. Key investments include $20.5 million to upgrade a line between Dotsero and near Palisade by replacing 141,300 ties, installing 53,000 tons of ballast, replacing more than three miles of rail in various curves and repairing surfaces at 40 crossings; and $2.7 million to bolster a line between Denver and near Phippsburg by replacing more than four miles of rail in various curves.

And in Illinois, the Class I has budgeted about $8 million to replace 71,650 concrete ties and install 21,800 tons of ballast on a line between Elburn and East Clinton. The project began April 5 and is scheduled to be completed in August.
http://www.progressiverailroading.com/union_pacific/news/UP-unveils-plans-to-upgrade-infrastructure-in-four-states--44374


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Thu 05/14/15 09:45 AM


i agree with moe on this 1, the train should drive itself, with someone there to make sure everything goes like it should. just incase of a malfunction the driver would be able to correct it. but the thing is on tracks for gods sake, it should be able to drive itself. theyre talking about having driverless cars within the next 10 years, but yet we cant have a train that drives itself?


Airbus designed a flight control system that would correct pilot errors.

But that didn't stop their planes from crashing.

Nothing is infallible.
true, but your also talking about flight... trains just need to worry about starting and stopping

metalwing's photo
Thu 05/14/15 10:54 AM
Looks like Mr. Train driver was on the phone or asleep. He is gonna get fried.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 05/14/15 10:56 AM

Looks like Mr. Train driver was on the phone or asleep. He is gonna get fried.


or prison time...

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Thu 05/14/15 11:53 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Thu 05/14/15 11:58 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/05/13/11-things-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-amtrak/

Lie Campaign: 11 Things The Media Won't Tell You About Amtrak

by John Nolte
13 May 2015

Before the dead were counted and the facts known, the craven, partisan ghouls in our mainstream media were already using a terrible domestic tragedy to call for more government spending.

The media's politically-loaded word of the day is "infrastructure". This comes as absolutely no surprise when you understand that the foundation of all media bias is to increase the size and power of our centralized government. And what better way to do that than to feast off the fresh corpses of those killed on a passenger train run by our bloated, incompetent federal government.

And what better way to distract from the fact that 6 innocent people died on a passenger train run by our bloated, incompetent federal government than to blame-shift to the selfish taxpayers and the evil Republican Party.

You see, Amtrak is like Baltimore: although government has had its fingers in everything for decades, the only solution is more government.

Heads up! This is the media's game-plan for the rest of the week: At least through the Sunday shows, the media will exploit the Amtrak tragedy to call for more government spending and blame Republicans.

That makes this a perfect time to arm yourselves with the facts:



The Federal Government Owns and Operates Amtrak

Because train travel is an 18th century invention, by 1971 the passenger train business in America was dying. In its infinite wisdom, the government formed the publicly funded railroad service known as Amtrak.



Amtrak Loses Hundreds of Millions of Dollars a Year

Although a law was passed in 1997 that required Amtrak to become profitable by 2002, since 2009, Amtrak has lost somewhere around a whopping $2 billion.



American Taxpayers Subsidize a Service They Don't Use

Most Amtrak lines service what's known as the Northeast corridor ,where most of the taxpayers subsidizing this government owned and operated service do not live. Not only are we (and future generations) funding Amtrak, it isn't conveniently available to those of us paying for it.



Very Small Percentage of the Population Use a Government Service We All Pay For

There are more than 300 million people in America, yet ridership is only around 25 million per year. That is a very small percentage of the population using this taxpayer-funded white elephant we all are forced through government coercion to subsidize.



Amtrak Has Already Been Subsidized to the Tune of a Whopping $45 billion

Since the government took it over, Amtrak has sucked up about $45 billion in taxpayer-funded subsidies over the last 44 years.



Amtrak Is Set to Receive Another $7 Billion Over the Next 5 years

The same media telling you Amtrak is under-funded is not telling you that Amtrak will receive $7 billion in welfare through 2020.

Manhattan Institute:

The bipartisan Passenger Rail Reform and Investment Act of 2015 would subsidize Amtrak by an estimated $7 billion from 2016 to 2020. It passed the House by 316 votes to 101 votes on Wednesday and is now headed to the Senate and, presumably, President Obama's signature. Amtrak has been operating without official funding authorization since the previous bill expired in October 2013.



Amtrak Is Not Under-Funded, It Is Criminally Mismanaged

Manhattan Institute:

Amtrak's largest expense is labor, salary, and benefits, which cost over $2 billion in 2014. Maintaining fully-staffed trains on infrequently-traveled routes has contributed to high labor costs, but the pay rate of Amtrak's employees raise its costs substantially. The average onboard employee made $41.19 an hour on Amtrak in 2012, while railroads that contracted out services to private companies paid their employees $7.75 to $13.00 an hour.

Base pay may already be substantial, but regulations and poor oversight allowed employees to pocket $185 million in overtime pay in 2013. The management allowed employee misconduct and wasteful business practices to thrive, even as at the same time it hindered plans to make train stations accessible to the disabled to comply with the Americans with Disability Program.

Amtrak's did not meet ADA's goals due to lack of structure and a strategy, according to a 2014 IG report. Management activities took up 46% of the $100 million budget, $6.5 million was spent on unrelated projects, and an undetermined amount was shipped out of state on non-ADA projects.



American People Subsidize $60 of Every Amtrak Ticket Sold

When you look at the figures, the math is not difficult:

With a ridership of only 25 million people, that means for every person boarding a train, the American people are paying $60. I did a quick check on Amtrak's Web site to travel from New York City to Washington, D.C., will cost the traveler $69. Does it make sense that it costs the person traveling $69 and the American government $60?

And now for the most galling factoid:



Taxpayers Subsidize Passengers Who Can Afford to Make Amtrak Profitable

The welfare queens riding in Amtrak luxury at the benefit of the American taxpayers are mostly not the poor. Nevertheless, you and I and future generations are subsidizing every ticket purchased by those who can afford to pay the fare required to make Amtrak profitable.

Many of the same media elite already using Tuesday night's tragedy to call for more government spending on Amtrak, also are guilty of welfare queening on Amtrak between their Emerald Cities of Washington DC and Manhattan.

This is from a 1997 Cato Institute Study. There is nothing, though, that indicates anything's changed much. In fact, with the labor force so diminished and Washington DC attracting more and more of the connected and wealthy, it would not surprise me to learn that even fewer of the poor benefit from Amtrak:

Amtrak's typical riders are not low-income Americans. The poor are less likely to travel by Amtrak than by most other travel options. Only 13 percent of Amtrak passengers have incomes below $20,000. The average Amtrak rider has a higher household income than the average taxpayer. In fact, the clientele for Amtrak Metroliner service between Washington and New York consists largely of Wall Street traders, K Street lobbyists and other affluent business travelers. These folks aren't poor.



There Is No Good Reason for The Government To Own Amtrak

Other than misguided nostalgia and the screaming welfare queens in the media, there is no logical or justifiable reason not to give Amtrak away for free to a private business that can make it profitable, and save the taxpayers billions.

The selfish harpies in the mainstream media might lose a few more dollars out of their fat checks by paying full fare, but that sounds like a one-percent problem to those of us in the real world.



The Amtrak Derailment Might Be Yet Another Failure of the Federal Government

We don't know yet what caused the crash. Here's what we do know:

The Federal Government owns and operates Amtrak.

Instead of spending money on improved safety, the Federal Government wastes hundreds of millions of dollars on unnecessary rail lines and labor costs.

If safety or infrastructure were indeed the cause of this crash, the Federal Government mismanaging a business they have no business running is at fault not the taxpayer.


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Thu 05/14/15 03:04 PM
8th body recovered from the scene.

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Thu 05/14/15 03:16 PM
A drug test should be given to the operator. I would think that it is required.

metalwing's photo
Thu 05/14/15 03:34 PM

A drug test should be given to the operator. I would think that it is required.


They took blood and his cell phone.

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Thu 05/14/15 03:36 PM



i agree with moe on this 1, the train should drive itself, with someone there to make sure everything goes like it should. just incase of a malfunction the driver would be able to correct it. but the thing is on tracks for gods sake, it should be able to drive itself. theyre talking about having driverless cars within the next 10 years, but yet we cant have a train that drives itself?


Airbus designed a flight control system that would correct pilot errors.

But that didn't stop their planes from crashing.

Nothing is infallible.
true, but your also talking about flight... trains just need to worry about starting and stopping


It is the same principle. You have inputs and outputs. A control computer processes the signals that are sent to it and then it determines what should happen.

Any failure within that system can cause an accident.

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Thu 05/14/15 03:37 PM




i agree with moe on this 1, the train should drive itself, with someone there to make sure everything goes like it should. just incase of a malfunction the driver would be able to correct it. but the thing is on tracks for gods sake, it should be able to drive itself. theyre talking about having driverless cars within the next 10 years, but yet we cant have a train that drives itself?


Airbus designed a flight control system that would correct pilot errors.

But that didn't stop their planes from crashing.

Nothing is infallible.
true, but your also talking about flight... trains just need to worry about starting and stopping


It is the same principle. You have inputs and outputs. A control computer processes the signals that are sent to it and then it determines what should happen.

Any failure within that system can cause an accident.

lol, so can a drunk engineer...

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Thu 05/14/15 03:44 PM





i agree with moe on this 1, the train should drive itself, with someone there to make sure everything goes like it should. just incase of a malfunction the driver would be able to correct it. but the thing is on tracks for gods sake, it should be able to drive itself. theyre talking about having driverless cars within the next 10 years, but yet we cant have a train that drives itself?


Airbus designed a flight control system that would correct pilot errors.

But that didn't stop their planes from crashing.

Nothing is infallible.
true, but your also talking about flight... trains just need to worry about starting and stopping


It is the same principle. You have inputs and outputs. A control computer processes the signals that are sent to it and then it determines what should happen.

Any failure within that system can cause an accident.

lol, so can a drunk engineer...


haha... no doubt

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