Topic: Cincinnati Officer Indicted For Murder
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 07/30/15 05:43 PM

Cincinnati Officer Indicted For Murder After Body Camera Reveals False Report

Body camera footage played a vital role in the indictment of University of Cincinnati Police Officer Ray Tensing, after it revealed a different set of events than those reported by both Tensing and his fellow officers in the shooting death of Samuel DuBose during a traffic stop.

http://truthinmedia.com/cincinnati-officer-indicted-murder-body-camera-false-report/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=nl

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Thu 07/30/15 08:41 PM
Thoughts prayers and condolences to the Dubose family.
Currently the charges are murder and voluntary manslaughter.
Hopefully as more information comes forward there will be additional charges brought against the officer(s) that falsified reports and abused their authority.

At least we got an indictment. That's the first step in the right direction.

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Thu 07/30/15 09:44 PM
Edited by germanchoclate1981 on Thu 07/30/15 10:08 PM
Ok I just watched new footage released (snippets) from other officers on the scene and heard tensings attorney Stewart Matthews express his version of what happened. In the footage released today it has tensing trying to establish a reason for shooting.
"I was being dragged. I was afraid he was going to run me over."
We heard this on the original video from tensings body cam. Now we have him saying the same thing from another nearby body cam. We also have more footage of tensing getting up off the ground after firing the shot.
Matthews states that he believes tensing began to be dragged, fired the shot and fell to the ground. Footage from the officer on the opposite side of the car doesn't show the conversation the shooting or any dragging, it only briefly shows tensing sitting on the ground and getting up to persue. Due to several obvious edits I previously thought tensings hand to be on the door handle as he was opening the door. As Anderson Cooper interviewed Matthews a replay of the seconds before and after the shot was fired he asked if the shot was fired prior to or after the car moved. In repeat with this detail in mind, tensings hand is NOT on the door handle. Dubose' hands are in view near the key, not the shifter. Tensings right draws the pistol and the left hand goes untouched into the window around the area of Dubose' chest.
Sunny Hostin CNN Legal Analyst, argues that the car didn't move until the shot was fired and if the car moved first than her eyes were lying to her. The ears of witnesses will validate the doubt one may have as you clearly cannot hear the car accelerating until AFTER the shot has been fired.
Add to this that at the time f the very quickly fired shot, the left hand of tensing which is the only part of his body ABLE to be dragged by, is in open space in the middle of where the window would be. This is NOT the action of an officer who lacks training or is afraid of the very polite driver. If Dubose wanted to drag tensing or had any idea that tensing intended on drawing his weapon he would have grabbed tensing or at least moved his hands towards his face or even straight up to surrender.
It is highly likely that Dubose saw the video of the Sandra Bland arrest and the coverage that followed it. The voice and body language of Dubose was nothing remotely close to the verbal belligerence of Bland.
This man had 10 children. Ten. He didn't have a front license plate, The two university police SUVs were behind his car. He may not have had his drivers license on him but anyone could see that he was not making quick jerky movements towards a place where he might have a gun or knife and he was very polite. Even if he wasn't sober as some have claimed with NO PROOF he did what he had been taught was the right thing to do. Keeping his hands in plain sight, moving slowly, being polite, and staying INSIDE the car until ordered otherwise. He was NEVER ordered to "step out of the vehicle and put your hands on the roof".

Tensing yelled loudly and quickly, STOP, STOP! Dubose had NO ACTION to stop. The shot was fired, then the car moved. I believe that video experts and frame by frame analysis along with audio analysis forensics and even psychological analysis will convince a jury to find the officers guilty.

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Fri 07/31/15 02:04 AM
Edited by unknown_romeo on Fri 07/31/15 02:06 AM
surprised

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Fri 07/31/15 06:54 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 07/31/15 07:32 AM






The cop above was awarded a $38,000 settlement for workmans comp for pepper spraying the students at this protest. Seems it caused him mental and physical anguish dealing with these violent protesters..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/pepper-spray-cop-settlement_n_4152147.html

The students were of course charged with violations and hauled off to jail, but were later released without charges when the video went viral and hit the national news outlets.

Pike was fired in July 2012 after eight months of paid administrative leave..... then later rehired if I remember correctly

When police are rewarded with paid vacations for abusing the public what are we to expect as a result?

Blind obedience to authority is what our children are being taught in our schools now. My Constitution says I have the right to question authority. But what right protects you when they are armed, demanding compliance, even if they are in the wrong, and control the courts you are subjected to?

It has NEVER been about black or white..... it is about control.... and abuse of authority!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 07/31/15 07:42 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 07/31/15 07:44 AM

Police Think They're Above the Law, and for Good Reason: Here's One Way to Change It

Even an attorney isn't safe from police abuse, but when they feel they don't have a chance against the blue wall of silence what can we look forward to in our defense?

It seems we have to die to make our case!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-kaiser/police-think-theyre-above_b_6573806.html

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Fri 07/31/15 08:21 AM
Not all cops are bad. Thankfully there are good ones.

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Fri 07/31/15 09:26 AM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 07/31/15 09:28 AM

Not all cops are bad. Thankfully there are good ones.


I'm in a small community that gets hammered with snowbirds and tourists. I live on a county line. Mostly military and retired residents.

We have our a$$hats (mostly the staters) but for the most part our local city and county guys are pretty decent if you don't look for trouble.

We're not incorporated in my area, only 1 major hwy (Hwy 98) going E & W, 2 or 3 going N and there is no South unless you have a boat, so it's mostly county and state.

It's a little bit of paradise with hardly any crime, gangs, or big city problems.

I love it here, and it's pretty cheap, peaceful, laid back living because we are not incorporated!

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Fri 07/31/15 10:25 AM
It's a step foward in the right direction.

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Fri 07/31/15 11:55 AM
Yea, any improvement is good. Maybe with news coverage as it is today the bad Kops will be exposed and terminated as they should be. Korrupt city governments and officials too.

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Fri 07/31/15 11:58 PM







The cop above was awarded a $38,000 settlement for workmans comp for pepper spraying the students at this protest. Seems it caused him mental and physical anguish dealing with these violent protesters..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/23/pepper-spray-cop-settlement_n_4152147.html

The students were of course charged with violations and hauled off to jail, but were later released without charges when the video went viral and hit the national news outlets.

Pike was fired in July 2012 after eight months of paid administrative leave..... then later rehired if I remember correctly

When police are rewarded with paid vacations for abusing the public what are we to expect as a result?

Blind obedience to authority is what our children are being taught in our schools now. My Constitution says I have the right to question authority. But what right protects you when they are armed, demanding compliance, even if they are in the wrong, and control the courts you are subjected to?

It has NEVER been about black or white..... it is about control.... and abuse of authority!

It isn't about race or creed when it is a general public protest. It is about color or creed when minor moving violations turn into murder, beatings, etc. There are certain cases or incidents that may make news but are not followed up on. This has absolute correlation to population density and demographics. More heinous crimes get more media coverage to an extent, but crimes that are alleged, appear to be or are racially motivated draw more attention from all directions positive and negative. The question I have for people who deny that race isn't a part of the equation is where is there a white 'Rodney King'? Where is there a white Amodou Diallo? A white Eric Garner? A white Sam Dubose? Some cops may be jerks to everyone but if you look at the demographics in prison studies arrest records and the severity showed in these pictures and in what we have all seen in recent years it IS worse to have any kind of encounter with police if you are black.

People don't always fit stereotypes but cases like these make us think, damn, that could have been me. Of all the times I've been pulled over I've had very few warnings. I got a ticket once for driving 7ft without headlights from a fully lit parking lot. I never crossed over the left lane or got up to 5mph. I've been ticketed for driving WITH a registration (for the correct State). On that one I saw the cop before he saw me and set my cruise control at the speed limit. I already knew he was running my plates because he followed me for 4-5 miles to see if I'd be dumb enough to start speeding. The only time I drove without insurance was when I was a victim of fraud and I paid a lot of money to straighten everything out. I didn't drink and drive, don't do drugs, don't sell drugs, don't hang with that kinda crowd. Never once have I been rude obnoxious unkind in any way even when I knew I hadn't done anything to be pulled over in the first place. I even had officers fault me for an accident where a guy speeding on a motorcycle hit me and ripped the back bumper off my car. DWB(assumed, I am mixed but not many acknowledge that).

None of /\that mattered. What mattered was my skin color.

I'm not saying that law enforcement does nothing bad to anyone white, privatization of our prison system is one of the biggest scale scams in the world and we all pay into it one way or another but the numbers are grossly disproportionate.

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Sat 08/01/15 08:12 AM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention keeps data on fatal injuries from 1999 to 2011 and one category is homicides by legal intervention. The term "legal intervention" covers any situation when a person dies at the hands of anyone authorized to use deadly force in the line of duty.

Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, Medved is correct.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/aug/27/fact-checking-claims-about-race-after-ferguson-sho/

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Sat 08/01/15 11:07 AM
However, Brian Forst, a professor in the Department of Justice, Law and Criminology at American University, said this difference is predictable.

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/aug/27/fact-checking-claims-about-race-after-ferguson-sho/

germanchoclate1981's photo
Sat 08/01/15 08:03 PM
Edited by germanchoclate1981 on Sat 08/01/15 08:06 PM

However, Brian Forst, a professor in the Department of Justice, Law and Criminology at American University, said this difference is predictable.

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/aug/27/fact-checking-claims-about-race-after-ferguson-sho/

That's why my GPS can't locate the CDC, they moved to politifact. com on!! slaphead


wait, wait..... Is that white on white crime or a white on white lie?

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Sat 08/01/15 08:05 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 08/01/15 08:06 PM


However, Brian Forst, a professor in the Department of Justice, Law and Criminology at American University, said this difference is predictable.

"More whites are killed by the police than blacks primarily because whites outnumber blacks in the general population by more than five to one," Forst said. The country is about 63 percent white and 12 percent black.

Rather than comparing the raw numbers, you can look at the likelihood that a person will die due to "legal intervention" in the same way you might look at the chance a person will die in a car accident or a disease like lung cancer. When you do that, the numbers flip.

A 2002 study in the American Journal of Public Health found that the death rate due to legal intervention was more than three times higher for blacks than for whites in the period from 1988 to 1997.


http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2014/aug/27/fact-checking-claims-about-race-after-ferguson-sho/

That's why my GPS can't locate the CDC, they moved to politifact. com on!! slaphead



??

the Centers for Disease Control is not the only source of information out there,,,

germanchoclate1981's photo
Sat 08/01/15 08:53 PM
Nope, it isn't. There's also www.cdc.gov/statistics

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Tue 08/04/15 02:37 AM


Cincinnati policeman Ray Tensing for killing a Black unarmed man named Samual Dubose. A clear case of murder.


your on the wrong thread... this thread is about a drunk driver that didn't have a drivers license, that couldn't follow the police orders...

From 'non-compliance how much of a crime?'
The reference was made in the tazing /\ thread to this case.
Dubose' alleged liquor bottle, a Gin bottle, was full of a colored liquid Dubose told the officer was 'air freshener'. The bottle was handed to tensing who puts it in view of the camera then places it on top of the car. This is where the first video footage released begins with tensing asking Dubose if he had a license. There is no cut or edit omitting any line of questioning one would expect in a dui arrest. Tensing does not check to see if the bottle has been opened, open the bottle to see if it smelled like gin mixed with another liquor soda or juice, or even ask why Dubose had air freshener in a gin bottle. He tells Dubose to take off his seatbelt and opens the door of the running car. We know how the video ends.
Another interesting tidbit, unlike tensings lawyer's account of the other officers on scene validating his version of what took place, the officers themselves in their sworn affidavits do not concur with him being dragged by the car or trying to run him over. Listening to the video's audio you can hear tensing himself rehearsing repeatedly waiting for someone to agree or ask if he was hurt.

Opinion- I think when tensing was approaching one of the officers saying 'I was being dragged. I though he was gonna run me over. Did you see that?' answered "yeah" to shut him up.

So back to the burning question... What was in the gin bottle? Gin is clear and the liquidin the bottle wasn't. Analysis from the coroner show aromatic compounds and fragrances- air freshener. CNN'S AC360

There has not been any toxicology reports released to show whether or not Dubose had been drinking, but since that line of questioning and police procedure was ignored, you can see why the university police would want to be seen as distancing themselves from their former employee.
Suspended license or not, air freshener or not, open container or not, this is murder. Dubose' alleged crime(s) were not excused. Tensing had a bad day.