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Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday he is opposed to tightening gun laws in the U.S. but is in favor of addressing mental health to prevent shootings, one day after�a man shot two journalists on live television.
"This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem," Trump told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." "It's not a question of the laws, it's really the people." Calling the gunman a "very sick man," Trump said mental illness is "a massive problem" in the U.S. He suggested more resources should be devoted to addressing mental health -- hoping to prevent shootings like the one in Virginia, which he called "really, very sad." Trump did not offer specific solutions to addressing the mental health problem, but said there are '"so many things that can be done" and repeatedly said�the Virginia shooter, who killed himself Wednesday after killing two others, should have been "institutionalized." "In the old days they had mental institutions for people like this because he was really, definitely borderline and definitely would have been and should have been institutionalized," Trump told Cuomo. "At some point somebody should have seen that, I mean the people close to him should have seen it." Gun control advocates once again pressed for reforms in the wake of Wednesday's tragedy, with President Barack Obama calling the shooting "heartbreaking" and "one more argument for why we need to look at how we can reduce gun violence in this country." "What we know is that the number of people who die from gun-related incidents around this country dwarfs any deaths that happen through terrorism," Obama said, as his spokesman Josh Earnest earlier in the day reaffirmed Obama's plea for "common sense" gun legislation. Trump insisted Thursday that changes in the nation's gun laws were not the solution needed, saying he is "a very strong Second Amendment person." And he insisted it should not be more difficult for "sane people" to get guns, pointing to Chicago's tough gun laws failing to prevent the scourge of gun violence in that city. Again, Trump pivoted to mental health. "I guarantee you there are a couple of people that knew this man that did the killing yesterday that probably said, 'Wow he's really got problems I mean he really should be institutionalized,'" Trump said. Trump also praised the reaction of the journalists' colleagues, who continued to broadcast live throughout the day on Wednesday. "The reaction of the colleagues and the station has been really incredible and it's really inspiring to watch," Trump said. "It's too bad that we can't figure it out beforehand, but it's a pretty tough thing to do." http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/donald-trump-virginia-shooting-mental-health-gun-laws/index.html/ ------------------------------------------ Hillary Clinton also made a similar case on Wednesday. On Thursday, she tweeted: "We are smart enough -- compassionate enough -- to figure out how to balance legitimate Second Amendment rights with preventive measures." ------------------------------------- #16 Donald Trump thread 
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Washington (CNN)Donald Trump said Thursday he is opposed to tightening gun laws in the U.S. but is in favor of addressing mental health to prevent shootings, one day after�a man shot two journalists on live television. "This isn't a gun problem, this is a mental problem," Trump told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." "It's not a question of the laws, it's really the people." Calling the gunman a "very sick man," Trump said mental illness is "a massive problem" in the U.S. He suggested more resources should be devoted to addressing mental health -- hoping to prevent shootings like the one in Virginia, which he called "really, very sad." Trump did not offer specific solutions to addressing the mental health problem, but said there are '"so many things that can be done" and repeatedly said�the Virginia shooter, who killed himself Wednesday after killing two others, should have been "institutionalized." "In the old days they had mental institutions for people like this because he was really, definitely borderline and definitely would have been and should have been institutionalized," Trump told Cuomo. "At some point somebody should have seen that, I mean the people close to him should have seen it." Gun control advocates once again pressed for reforms in the wake of Wednesday's tragedy, with President Barack Obama calling the shooting "heartbreaking" and "one more argument for why we need to look at how we can reduce gun violence in this country." "What we know is that the number of people who die from gun-related incidents around this country dwarfs any deaths that happen through terrorism," Obama said, as his spokesman Josh Earnest earlier in the day reaffirmed Obama's plea for "common sense" gun legislation. Trump insisted Thursday that changes in the nation's gun laws were not the solution needed, saying he is "a very strong Second Amendment person." And he insisted it should not be more difficult for "sane people" to get guns, pointing to Chicago's tough gun laws failing to prevent the scourge of gun violence in that city. Again, Trump pivoted to mental health. "I guarantee you there are a couple of people that knew this man that did the killing yesterday that probably said, 'Wow he's really got problems I mean he really should be institutionalized,'" Trump said. Trump also praised the reaction of the journalists' colleagues, who continued to broadcast live throughout the day on Wednesday. "The reaction of the colleagues and the station has been really incredible and it's really inspiring to watch," Trump said. "It's too bad that we can't figure it out beforehand, but it's a pretty tough thing to do." http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/27/politics/donald-trump-virginia-shooting-mental-health-gun-laws/index.html/ ------------------------------------------ Hillary Clinton also made a similar case on Wednesday. On Thursday, she tweeted: "We are smart enough -- compassionate enough -- to figure out how to balance legitimate Second Amendment rights with preventive measures." ------------------------------------- #16 Donald Trump thread you missed a couple.. but that is the truth, democrats want to put a band aid on the issue to cover up the fact that gun control isn't the real issue, but crazy people are... a gun never killed anyone, the person holding the guns have killed them all... |
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#16 Donald Trump thread Are we taking bets on how high that number will go? 
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Thu 08/27/15 04:22 PM
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On the 4473, the federal gun purchase form, that all persons must fill out, when purchasing a firearm from a licensed gun dealer... has a question on it, directly addressing the potential purchaser's mental health.
The Feds do a criminal history search, before deciding if the transaction can be made. Thanks to Obonzo care, the feds have access to health and mental health. Under long existing laws, looney tunes people, aren't legally allowed to purchase or possess firearms. If the law were actually enforced, certified wackjobs, would have the same difficulty making a legal gun purchase, that convicted felons do. Of course, I'm in favour of re-establishing involuntary E.C.T.. Electro Convulsive Therapy... Yanno? Shock treatment.
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Of course, I'm in favour of re-establishing involuntary E.C.T.. Electro Convulsive Therapy... Yanno? Shock treatment. You go first. 
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Its absolutely true. Well over 95% of the US's mass shooters were on SSRI's and the numbers of suicides under similar medication (usually ex-servicemen) places this beyond arguing the stats.
Democrats have an agenda that cannot be played out while the constitution is in force. ECT also more often than not, causes more problems than it cures. Many have to deal with seizures all their lives (half life of 7 years) after this. It was never based on proper scientific rules, along with cutting the brain in two (lobotomy). Many have labelled the psychiatric game the business of death. |
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ECT also more often than not, causes more problems than it cures. Many have to deal with seizures all their lives (half life of 7 years) after this. It was never based on proper scientific rules, along with cutting the brain in two (lobotomy). Many have labelled the psychiatric game the business of death. I'm okay with that. |
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Also, in other Trump news today....
"" GREENVILLE, S.C. — Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump says his trademark hairdo is for real. He told 1,800 people in South Carolina Thursday: “It’s my hair … I swear.” The billionaire developer waved a copy of The New York Times shortly after taking the stage, saying the newspaper accused him of wearing a toupee. Then he called a woman onstage from a front table and instructed her to tug on his hair. As she pulled, he asked her to confirm that it’s real. She said, “I do believe it is,” to laughter and applause, and Trump tossed his copy of the Times into the crowd."" http://nypost.com/2015/08/27/trump-i-swear-my-hair-is-real/
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The mental health problem in this country will never be fixed until the insurance companies stop deciding what kind of and how long care will be provided to people that are crazy..
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mental health to prevent shootings This is just pandering to a meme. How does the federal government address the mental health of an individual? Inefficiently and horribly. Especially without growing government exponentially, or without creating a far more massive big brother presence. I wonder what type of person would agree to some kind of common core psychological norming laws every citizen must adhere to. gun control isn't the real issue, but crazy people are... Police have killed twice as many people in the last year than all of the mass shootings for the past decade+ combined. Are all police crazy? Thanks to Obonzo care, the feds have access to health and mental health. Doesn't mean they can use it. If your background check is denied or delayed, the purchaser (not the FFL) can appeal and find out why. If the FBI can only point to a persons private medical information as reason for denial? Then either the FBI/government is screwed, the person gets their gun, or both. Well over 95% of the US's mass shooters were on SSRI's and the numbers of suicides under similar medication (usually ex-servicemen) places this beyond arguing the stats. At best that is an argument for making SSRI's illegal. I'll bet well over 95% of the US's mass shooters also wore pants. 1 in 10 (and growing fast) Americans are on SSRI's. If the law were actually enforced, certified wackjobs, would have the same difficulty making a legal gun purchase, that convicted felons do. "Certified" is the key term. You can only be denied a firearm on mental grounds if you've gone through due process and are "adjudicated" as mentally deficient, or involuntarily committed (which can't be done except via the courts). You have to have a legal/criminal record. Medical records don't count, legally. Federal government is 18 trillion bucks in debt. Current "enforcement" of gun laws is about 1% or less of all known violations (e.g. approx. 70,000 applications known to be fraudulent, where they've lied on form 4473, 77 prosecuted, approx 2800 cases of kids bringing guns to school, 22 prosecuted). How much money do you think it would take to raise that to 10%? 50% 100%? Is it worth the cost to increase the "enforcement" by 1%? 5%? 10%? greater than it is now? Even so, at least 40% of gun sales occur through private party sales. The same laws don't really apply to those as they do to FFL dealers. You can heavily enforce all the gun laws in existence you want, you can increase the budget to the necessary degree to enforce the existing laws to their highest potential, but it won't affect private party sales. Of one guy meeting another in a parking lot and selling them a gun. Or one guy setting up a booth at a gun show and selling from his private collection. Many have labelled the psychiatric game the business of death. "Many" meaning scientologists and their offshoots. |
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Ciretom, could you delve a little further into these 'other than FFL' gun sales? The private owner to owner to owner.... the gun show sales? Perhaps some figures or current legal status of said sales, resales, crossing State lines.... ? I think you might be on to something here.
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