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for the op religion: : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. As a Christian, I cannot have a God and no religion(personal set of attitudes , beliefs, and practices that fall in accordance with my belief in God) so the answer is BOTH as far as prayer, it is merely the communication between a believer and their creator,,,, the point is not whether God already knows, the point is the effort you put into the COMMUNICATION and the RELATIONSHIP you have with him God is far from 'baseline' he is supernatural in his capacity for just judgement,,,,he made us in HIS image and we also have some of his attributes, like jealousy, or anger, but where they limit us , they do not limit him in the least If we accept that there is a God,then did God create man in His image or did man create God in man's image ? god created man in his image seems more the other way around... all the "good gods" are human like, while all the "bad gods" are non human looking... wonder why that is? |
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for the op religion: : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. As a Christian, I cannot have a God and no religion(personal set of attitudes , beliefs, and practices that fall in accordance with my belief in God) so the answer is BOTH as far as prayer, it is merely the communication between a believer and their creator,,,, the point is not whether God already knows, the point is the effort you put into the COMMUNICATION and the RELATIONSHIP you have with him God is far from 'baseline' he is supernatural in his capacity for just judgement,,,,he made us in HIS image and we also have some of his attributes, like jealousy, or anger, but where they limit us , they do not limit him in the least If we accept that there is a God,then did God create man in His image or did man create God in man's image ? god created man in his image seems more the other way around... all the "good gods" are human like, while all the "bad gods" are non human looking... wonder why that is? I don't know,, the God I refer to is the creator of man, there is only one I don't worship any other 'gods',,,, |
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for the op religion: : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. As a Christian, I cannot have a God and no religion(personal set of attitudes , beliefs, and practices that fall in accordance with my belief in God) so the answer is BOTH as far as prayer, it is merely the communication between a believer and their creator,,,, the point is not whether God already knows, the point is the effort you put into the COMMUNICATION and the RELATIONSHIP you have with him God is far from 'baseline' he is supernatural in his capacity for just judgement,,,,he made us in HIS image and we also have some of his attributes, like jealousy, or anger, but where they limit us , they do not limit him in the least If we accept that there is a God,then did God create man in His image or did man create God in man's image ? god created man in his image seems more the other way around... all the "good gods" are human like, while all the "bad gods" are non human looking... wonder why that is? I don't know,, the God I refer to is the creator of man, there is only one I don't worship any other 'gods',,,, doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... |
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for the op religion: : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. As a Christian, I cannot have a God and no religion(personal set of attitudes , beliefs, and practices that fall in accordance with my belief in God) so the answer is BOTH as far as prayer, it is merely the communication between a believer and their creator,,,, the point is not whether God already knows, the point is the effort you put into the COMMUNICATION and the RELATIONSHIP you have with him God is far from 'baseline' he is supernatural in his capacity for just judgement,,,,he made us in HIS image and we also have some of his attributes, like jealousy, or anger, but where they limit us , they do not limit him in the least If we accept that there is a God,then did God create man in His image or did man create God in man's image ? god created man in his image seems more the other way around... all the "good gods" are human like, while all the "bad gods" are non human looking... wonder why that is? I don't know,, the God I refer to is the creator of man, there is only one I don't worship any other 'gods',,,, doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... a truth is a truth no matter who believes it some can believe something , but that doesn't make it truth truth(as far as I am concerned and I believe I am right) , one God created all, the creator=God the only 'God' that is relevant to me,,,as a Christian,,,, |
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for the op religion: : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. As a Christian, I cannot have a God and no religion(personal set of attitudes , beliefs, and practices that fall in accordance with my belief in God) so the answer is BOTH as far as prayer, it is merely the communication between a believer and their creator,,,, the point is not whether God already knows, the point is the effort you put into the COMMUNICATION and the RELATIONSHIP you have with him God is far from 'baseline' he is supernatural in his capacity for just judgement,,,,he made us in HIS image and we also have some of his attributes, like jealousy, or anger, but where they limit us , they do not limit him in the least If we accept that there is a God,then did God create man in His image or did man create God in man's image ? god created man in his image seems more the other way around... all the "good gods" are human like, while all the "bad gods" are non human looking... wonder why that is? I don't know,, the God I refer to is the creator of man, there is only one I don't worship any other 'gods',,,, doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... a truth is a truth no matter who believes it some can believe something , but that doesn't make it truth truth(as far as I am concerned and I believe I am right) , one God created all, the creator=God the only 'God' that is relevant to me,,,as a Christian,,,, yea, Christians aren't much different from muslims in that respect... they can't acknowledge others faith as well...  the same ole "i'm right and everyone else is wrong" type religious dogma... |
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seems more the other way around... all the "good gods" are human like, while all the "bad gods" are non human looking... wonder why that is? Good question if you choose to believe that God is an animal in form. Perhaps it is because mankind is vain and back when they were forming their control plan it would be something the natives could relate to. I am created in God's image in the fact that I am made of matter, not energy. All of what we think of as reality is part of the Universe (God) and our ability to grasp concepts beyond reality are our purpose so the Universe (God) can expand. God does not resemble a Sapien Sapient. Our form is but one of many forms that is manifest in the Universe (God). All of which are God. Our ability to see beyond the reality of the matter which makes us up is also part of the Universe (God). Since there is nothing within the Universe (God) that is not the Universe (God) all so-called Gods are also part of the Universe (God). We all think of God in different ways. This is how I see it. If you have no problem with the way you see it who am I to argue? If you NEED religion to have God then so be it. If you need to be threatened with punishment or rewarded for your faith that is up to you. For me, God is just God. I am responsible to others for the actions I take, Not God. I choose my future not God. |
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a truth is a truth no matter who believes it Truth is dependant upon relativity. To an ant an anteater is the devil. To me they are just a funky looking animal. Truths are proven wrong all the time. It was truth that the Earth was flat until that truth was proven wrong. Truth is not always the same as reality. Many times what we know as the truth is a delusion that has been forced upon us. Reality cannot be deluded. Reality requires no belief structure to exist. For some people truth means they must have their phone or they will perish. The reality is that nothing is required for life except what your body Needs to survive. Air, Water, Food, temperature, pressure, gravity and so on. the same ole "i'm right and everyone else is wrong" type religious dogma... But do you know why that is? Religions drill it into you. They convince you through fear and rewards that what they say is the absolute truth. You are deluded into thinking that if you allow someone to believe differently you are bad. Thats vanity. doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... Gods are created by our own misunderstanding. If an alien race were to visit us and they had advanced nano-technology, the could materialize objects out of thin air it would seem. If they had teleportation technology they could dissappear and reappear instantly. Our real science is in the infancy of such miracles right now. People tend to label things they don't understand as divine. It is a common delusion. A God doesn't have to be a lifeform to be worshipped. Money is some people's God, Power is still other people's Gods. Any power greater than yourself can become your God. Its all in the way you look at life, your experiences while alive and the wisdoms you have gathered. It really doesn't matter to anyone else whether you worship, trees, money, fame or what have you. What matters is how those expectations build your life wisdom. Are you content? I am. |
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for the op religion: : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices. God: (in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being. As a Christian, I cannot have a God and no religion(personal set of attitudes , beliefs, and practices that fall in accordance with my belief in God) so the answer is BOTH as far as prayer, it is merely the communication between a believer and their creator,,,, the point is not whether God already knows, the point is the effort you put into the COMMUNICATION and the RELATIONSHIP you have with him God is far from 'baseline' he is supernatural in his capacity for just judgement,,,,he made us in HIS image and we also have some of his attributes, like jealousy, or anger, but where they limit us , they do not limit him in the least If we accept that there is a God,then did God create man in His image or did man create God in man's image ? god created man in his image seems more the other way around... all the "good gods" are human like, while all the "bad gods" are non human looking... wonder why that is? I don't know,, the God I refer to is the creator of man, there is only one I don't worship any other 'gods',,,, doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... a truth is a truth no matter who believes it some can believe something , but that doesn't make it truth truth(as far as I am concerned and I believe I am right) , one God created all, the creator=God the only 'God' that is relevant to me,,,as a Christian,,,, yea, Christians aren't much different from muslims in that respect... they can't acknowledge others faith as well... the same ole "i'm right and everyone else is wrong" type religious dogma... I never stated that I don't 'aknowledge' others faith,, people call the CREATOR(only one) by different names,, but there is still only one... |
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a truth is a truth no matter who believes it Truth is dependant upon relativity. To an ant an anteater is the devil. To me they are just a funky looking animal. Truths are proven wrong all the time. It was truth that the Earth was flat until that truth was proven wrong. Truth is not always the same as reality. Many times what we know as the truth is a delusion that has been forced upon us. Reality cannot be deluded. Reality requires no belief structure to exist. For some people truth means they must have their phone or they will perish. The reality is that nothing is required for life except what your body Needs to survive. Air, Water, Food, temperature, pressure, gravity and so on. the same ole "i'm right and everyone else is wrong" type religious dogma... But do you know why that is? Religions drill it into you. They convince you through fear and rewards that what they say is the absolute truth. You are deluded into thinking that if you allow someone to believe differently you are bad. Thats vanity. doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... Gods are created by our own misunderstanding. If an alien race were to visit us and they had advanced nano-technology, the could materialize objects out of thin air it would seem. If they had teleportation technology they could dissappear and reappear instantly. Our real science is in the infancy of such miracles right now. People tend to label things they don't understand as divine. It is a common delusion. A God doesn't have to be a lifeform to be worshipped. Money is some people's God, Power is still other people's Gods. Any power greater than yourself can become your God. Its all in the way you look at life, your experiences while alive and the wisdoms you have gathered. It really doesn't matter to anyone else whether you worship, trees, money, fame or what have you. What matters is how those expectations build your life wisdom. Are you content? I am. if a truth can be proven wrong, it wasn't a truth(synonymous with FACT) an anteater is an anteater, that is a fact that an anteater is the devil is a perception that ants may consider truth, but is still not fact the one who created is the creator, fact,, Christians call the creator God |
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a truth is a truth no matter who believes it Truth is dependant upon relativity. To an ant an anteater is the devil. To me they are just a funky looking animal. Truths are proven wrong all the time. It was truth that the Earth was flat until that truth was proven wrong. Truth is not always the same as reality. Many times what we know as the truth is a delusion that has been forced upon us. Reality cannot be deluded. Reality requires no belief structure to exist. For some people truth means they must have their phone or they will perish. The reality is that nothing is required for life except what your body Needs to survive. Air, Water, Food, temperature, pressure, gravity and so on. the same ole "i'm right and everyone else is wrong" type religious dogma... But do you know why that is? Religions drill it into you. They convince you through fear and rewards that what they say is the absolute truth. You are deluded into thinking that if you allow someone to believe differently you are bad. Thats vanity. doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... Gods are created by our own misunderstanding. If an alien race were to visit us and they had advanced nano-technology, the could materialize objects out of thin air it would seem. If they had teleportation technology they could dissappear and reappear instantly. Our real science is in the infancy of such miracles right now. People tend to label things they don't understand as divine. It is a common delusion. A God doesn't have to be a lifeform to be worshipped. Money is some people's God, Power is still other people's Gods. Any power greater than yourself can become your God. Its all in the way you look at life, your experiences while alive and the wisdoms you have gathered. It really doesn't matter to anyone else whether you worship, trees, money, fame or what have you. What matters is how those expectations build your life wisdom. Are you content? I am. if a truth can be proven wrong, it wasn't a truth(synonymous with FACT) an anteater is an anteater, that is a fact that an anteater is the devil is a perception that ants may consider truth, but is still not fact the one who created is the creator, fact,, Christians call the creator God it can't be a fact for the simple reason it can't be proven anything created anything... |
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a truth is a truth no matter who believes it Truth is dependant upon relativity. To an ant an anteater is the devil. To me they are just a funky looking animal. Truths are proven wrong all the time. It was truth that the Earth was flat until that truth was proven wrong. Truth is not always the same as reality. Many times what we know as the truth is a delusion that has been forced upon us. Reality cannot be deluded. Reality requires no belief structure to exist. For some people truth means they must have their phone or they will perish. The reality is that nothing is required for life except what your body Needs to survive. Air, Water, Food, temperature, pressure, gravity and so on. the same ole "i'm right and everyone else is wrong" type religious dogma... But do you know why that is? Religions drill it into you. They convince you through fear and rewards that what they say is the absolute truth. You are deluded into thinking that if you allow someone to believe differently you are bad. Thats vanity. doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... Gods are created by our own misunderstanding. If an alien race were to visit us and they had advanced nano-technology, the could materialize objects out of thin air it would seem. If they had teleportation technology they could dissappear and reappear instantly. Our real science is in the infancy of such miracles right now. People tend to label things they don't understand as divine. It is a common delusion. A God doesn't have to be a lifeform to be worshipped. Money is some people's God, Power is still other people's Gods. Any power greater than yourself can become your God. Its all in the way you look at life, your experiences while alive and the wisdoms you have gathered. It really doesn't matter to anyone else whether you worship, trees, money, fame or what have you. What matters is how those expectations build your life wisdom. Are you content? I am. if a truth can be proven wrong, it wasn't a truth(synonymous with FACT) an anteater is an anteater, that is a fact that an anteater is the devil is a perception that ants may consider truth, but is still not fact the one who created is the creator, fact,, Christians call the creator God it can't be a fact for the simple reason it can't be proven anything created anything... so the earth wasn't round until someone proved it was? the truth is the truth, before its proven and after, its constant if it is in fact truth(fact) |
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a truth is a truth no matter who believes it Truth is dependant upon relativity. To an ant an anteater is the devil. To me they are just a funky looking animal. Truths are proven wrong all the time. It was truth that the Earth was flat until that truth was proven wrong. Truth is not always the same as reality. Many times what we know as the truth is a delusion that has been forced upon us. Reality cannot be deluded. Reality requires no belief structure to exist. For some people truth means they must have their phone or they will perish. The reality is that nothing is required for life except what your body Needs to survive. Air, Water, Food, temperature, pressure, gravity and so on. the same ole "i'm right and everyone else is wrong" type religious dogma... But do you know why that is? Religions drill it into you. They convince you through fear and rewards that what they say is the absolute truth. You are deluded into thinking that if you allow someone to believe differently you are bad. Thats vanity. doesn't really matter what anyone personally worships, there is more than one god and devil/demon... you can discount them if you wish, but they are still around by others standards... Gods are created by our own misunderstanding. If an alien race were to visit us and they had advanced nano-technology, the could materialize objects out of thin air it would seem. If they had teleportation technology they could dissappear and reappear instantly. Our real science is in the infancy of such miracles right now. People tend to label things they don't understand as divine. It is a common delusion. A God doesn't have to be a lifeform to be worshipped. Money is some people's God, Power is still other people's Gods. Any power greater than yourself can become your God. Its all in the way you look at life, your experiences while alive and the wisdoms you have gathered. It really doesn't matter to anyone else whether you worship, trees, money, fame or what have you. What matters is how those expectations build your life wisdom. Are you content? I am. if a truth can be proven wrong, it wasn't a truth(synonymous with FACT) an anteater is an anteater, that is a fact that an anteater is the devil is a perception that ants may consider truth, but is still not fact the one who created is the creator, fact,, Christians call the creator God it can't be a fact for the simple reason it can't be proven anything created anything... so the earth wasn't round until someone proved it was? the truth is the truth, before its proven and after, its constant if it is in fact truth(fact) didn't make it less of a fact even tho they thought it was flat... they were just wrong... |
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synonymous with FACT Fact is an attenpt to describe a reality Truth is an attempt to justify a belief A rock is a collection of atoms that is bonded together = Fact This rock is heavy = Truth I am but a speck on a grain in a vast region of material = Reality "I am out of Coffee" That is a Truth but knowing that I need to obtain more Coffee to enjoy another cup is a Fact. The reality is that I am NOT out of coffee because in the nooks and crannys of the coffee pot, the empty cannister and in the trash can there is Coffee remaining. I wonder if that example made sense to anyone besides me? LOL |
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a truth is a truth no matter who believes it some can believe something , but that doesn't make it truth truth(as far as I am concerned and I believe I am right) , one God created all, the creator=God the only 'God' that is relevant to me,,,as a Christian,,,, That's funny... Truth is actually just a belief. |
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semantics,,,,
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Truth is purely subjective....it isn't absolute like you described MS. As truth is just a belief...your statements "A truth is a truth no matter who believes it" and "some can believe something , but that doesn't make it truth" doesn't stand valid. |
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I mean... Truth is purely subjective....it isn't absolute like you described MS. As truth is just a belief...your statements "A truth is a truth no matter who believes it" and "some can believe something , but that doesn't make it truth" doesn't stand valid. i disagree... saying 1+1=2 is a universal truth, everyone agrees it's true saying red is the best color is a personal truth, not valid for everyone... |
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saying 1+1=2 is a universal truth, everyone agrees it's true saying red is the best color is a personal truth, not valid for everyone... Firstly, You can believe anything you want. 1+1=2 is not a truth. It is a fact. A fact that is expressed with reality. Saying red is the best color is also not a truth, It is an opinion. I'm not trying to argue, just stating the obvious. Truth is purely subjective....it isn't absolute like you described MS. As truth is just a belief True but don't minimize someone elses beliefs. They have the right to understand their world as they see fit. Just as you do. We all have lived being bombarded by delusions, misinformation and misinterpetations. If one person wishes to believe their truths and they are content with that truth then who has the right to argue with them. It is better to understand them than to attempt to re-educate them with new truths. Religions force truths upon people many times with no backing in reality. To hide that fact they impose a faith truth upon you. If you start to question religion you are told your faith is slipping or you are an infidel. Meaning without fidelity to the belief system they are preaching. For many, many people this is the truth. Their whole lives are wrapped around this truth. They are forced to delusion when reality threatens their truth. It is a very serious thing. This topic was not to bash or praise any religion or belief system. I made it to get a census of which is more important. God or Religion? My father used to say: Never argue religion or politics because everyone is right. He would say: Appreciate the different views and gather wisdom to form your own beliefs. What amazes me is that very few people have actually answered the question at hand? |
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I mean... Truth is purely subjective....it isn't absolute like you described MS. As truth is just a belief...your statements "A truth is a truth no matter who believes it" and "some can believe something , but that doesn't make it truth" doesn't stand valid. what you speak of is PERCEPTION, that is subjective truth is not,,, I believe there are aliens, that doesn't mean it is true, it may be proven true someday, and someday it may not,,,but if it IS true, it will be true,, period,,,,, a belief can be true or untrue, most people function from a place where they cant believe without an assumption of truth, but they can be wrong and find out their 'belief' was untrue,,, |
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saying 1+1=2 is a universal truth, everyone agrees it's true saying red is the best color is a personal truth, not valid for everyone... Firstly, You can believe anything you want. 1+1=2 is not a truth. It is a fact. A fact that is expressed with reality. Saying red is the best color is also not a truth, It is an opinion. I'm not trying to argue, just stating the obvious. Truth is purely subjective....it isn't absolute like you described MS. As truth is just a belief True but don't minimize someone elses beliefs. They have the right to understand their world as they see fit. Just as you do. We all have lived being bombarded by delusions, misinformation and misinterpetations. If one person wishes to believe their truths and they are content with that truth then who has the right to argue with them. It is better to understand them than to attempt to re-educate them with new truths. Religions force truths upon people many times with no backing in reality. To hide that fact they impose a faith truth upon you. If you start to question religion you are told your faith is slipping or you are an infidel. Meaning without fidelity to the belief system they are preaching. For many, many people this is the truth. Their whole lives are wrapped around this truth. They are forced to delusion when reality threatens their truth. It is a very serious thing. This topic was not to bash or praise any religion or belief system. I made it to get a census of which is more important. God or Religion? My father used to say: Never argue religion or politics because everyone is right. He would say: Appreciate the different views and gather wisdom to form your own beliefs. What amazes me is that very few people have actually answered the question at hand? its really a 'subjective' discussion of semantics, because the English language is so complex some may use the term 'truth' to refer to a belief' others may use the term 'truth' to refer to fact when I use the term 'truth', I am using the following definition 'that which is true or in accordance with fact or reality' which is why when I use the term 'truth', I placed(synonymous with fact) next to it hope that clears that up,,,lol but I think I answered earlier,, God AND religion |
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