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Topic: God or Religion?
prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Tue 10/27/15 10:49 AM
[ Regarding Comment Before Last ] Independent and dependant variables ? Better,be more explicit.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 10/27/15 10:52 AM
The fact is that I need a beer, the truth is that I might not have any ! Until I confirm this truth only then will there be determined chaos or euphoria.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 10/27/15 10:52 AM Edited by SheikOfLaBroquerie on Tue 10/27/15 10:55 AM
I guess I'm just saying that the facts can have/be both independent and dependant variables, I guess.

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Tue 10/27/15 11:06 AM
Thanks to you too and sorry I'm not agreed to consider FACT anyway different from REALITY. Don't apologize for thinking differently about things. Our diversity enlightens us. Where is the fun in discussion if we all agree about everything. Personally, I find this fun. FACT is state of the matter ...as the state of matter too keeps on changing Fact / Reality too changes over period of time. By your statement Reality (Fact) is matter. One proven Fact is that matter is made up of energy. This is the basic science of atomic weapons. Releasing the energy of matter. It could be said then, that the entire Universe is made of energy and that could be accepted as fact. Energy itself is not matter but matter is energy, just in a different form. Absolute Zero is the cessation of movement. Frozen. Movement is energy in the form of heat. Change is the product of energy. It is the difference in the state of matter according to its movement (Heat). If everything in the Universe, all matter, were frozen to absolute zero there would be no heat and thus no movement. With no movement of matter there can be no change. Time is the progression of change. If there is no change there is no time. Reality requires no observation to exist. Fact requires an observer for it to exist.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Tue 10/27/15 11:07 AM
I mentioned [TRUTH = FACT - PERCEPTION ERROR] then well...let me clear that it doesn't mean that FACT is a variable. We can also put it like TRUTH = K - PERCEPTION ERROR Perception is understanding. If you completely understand something you know everything that can be known about it. Until you know everything about everything you cannot know any fact. REALITY = FACT - CHAOS CHAOS being the random interaction of reality over time. When everything is known about everything Chaos will no longer be Chaos. Chaos will be fact. For Chaos to be fact, every interaction of every possible outcome must be known. Not only that but every POSSIBLE interaction must also be known. Then, to really complicate everything, Every IMPOSSIBLE interaction must also be known. Until Chaos becomes Fact, Truth and Fact cannot be known. Thus: REALITY = FACT - CHAOS Well... if REALITY = FACT- CHAOS andif "When everything is known about everything Chaos will no longer be Chaos. Chaos will be fact." So, IF everything is known about everything Then CHAOS = FACT Hence REALITY = FACT - FACT = 0 ? Meaning reality doesn't exists?? Sorry....I'm not inclined to REALITY = FACT- CHAOS IMO FACT = REALITY

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 10/27/15 11:10 AM
Okay Tom... If the beer doesn't move that's too cold and that isn't good either !

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Tue 10/27/15 11:11 AM Edited by Tomishereagain on Tue 10/27/15 11:12 AM
The fact is that I need a beer, the truth is that I might not have any ! LOL I understand The reality is that your body does not require beer to exist so therefor you don't NEED a beer. You WANT a beer and if there is not one in your body's local vicinity you must venture to the nearest one to obtain one. If you obtain two and bring it to me I will share your enjoyment only not at the same degree. In other words...."I want one Too"

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Tue 10/27/15 11:15 AM Edited by Tomishereagain on Tue 10/27/15 11:17 AM
If the beer doesn't move that's too cold and that isn't good either If the beer is at absolute zero when you touch it your warmth will transfer to the beer and eventually the beer will be just the right temperature. Your hand will suffer catastrophic damage from the heat transfer so you will need many beers. Many, many beers. Example of Thermodynamics, a current truth.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 10/27/15 11:16 AM
Hey... ! I NEED to keep drinking or I'll end-up pooping marbles.

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Tue 10/27/15 11:19 AM
I guess I'm just saying that the facts can have/be both independent and dependant variables, I guess. Sorry...never given a thought to it.

SheikOfLaBroquerie Joined Thu 01/31/13 Posts: 1973	Tue 10/27/15 11:20 AM
I know... ! The cans pop and the bottles break ! (All Things In Moderation Is The Message Here)

prashant01 Joined Wed 05/06/09 Posts: 14148	Tue 10/27/15 11:23 AM
I know... ! The cans pop and the bottles break ! (All Things In Moderation Is The Message Here) So you won...!!

Tomishereagain Joined Thu 11/06/14 Posts: 457	Tue 10/27/15 11:52 AM Edited by Tomishereagain on Tue 10/27/15 11:52 AM
So you won...!! Yay! Now, Where is my beer?

Omega_Supreme Joined Wed 10/28/15 Posts: 21	Wed 10/28/15 12:19 PM
Everything you posted is predicated on the belief that God has no expectations of his creations. I believe in a God who has expectations of us. God expects us to worship Him as He has requested, which means only Him. God does not want to share us with other gods: sex, drugs, money...whatever you use to fill the empty spot in your soul where your love for God should go. God expects us to pray frequently, not because he hasn't heard us, but to show our devotion to what we have asked for. If you ask for a friend to be healed, but can't be bothered to pray more than once, why should God take you seriously? If you really want something, you ask for it daily. Respectfully, I disagree with your idea of God. Of course, I am coming directly from a Christian perspective, I'm sure you disagree with my idea of God as well.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 10/28/15 12:28 PM
Everything you posted is predicated on the belief that God has no expectations of his creations. I believe in a God who has expectations of us. God expects us to worship Him as He has requested, which means only Him. God does not want to share us with other gods: sex, drugs, money...whatever you use to fill the empty spot in your soul where your love for God should go. God expects us to pray frequently, not because he hasn't heard us, but to show our devotion to what we have asked for. If you ask for a friend to be healed, but can't be bothered to pray more than once, why should God take you seriously? If you really want something, you ask for it daily. Respectfully, I disagree with your idea of God. Of course, I am coming directly from a Christian perspective, I'm sure you disagree with my idea of God as well. why does god want you to worship it?

Omega_Supreme Joined Wed 10/28/15 Posts: 21	Wed 10/28/15 12:36 PM Edited by Omega_Supreme on Wed 10/28/15 12:36 PM
... why does god want you to worship it? Because He deserves your worship. In the Old Testament, worship literally means "to bow down". The implication goes right along with the modern definition "adoring reverence or regard". People worship sex, drugs, money, themselves...all things created by or that exist in part due to the efforts of God.

Conrad_73 Joined Sat 09/29/07 Posts: 22488	Wed 10/28/15 12:50 PM
... why does god want you to worship it? Because He deserves your worship. In the Old Testament, worship literally means "to bow down". The implication goes right along with the modern definition "adoring reverence or regard". People worship sex, drugs, money, themselves...all things created by or that exist in part due to the efforts of God. For all that "Fatherly Love" he has shown his Creations throughout the ages?

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 10/28/15 12:51 PM
... why does god want you to worship it? Because He deserves your worship. In the Old Testament, worship literally means "to bow down". The implication goes right along with the modern definition "adoring reverence or regard". People worship sex, drugs, money, themselves...all things created by or that exist in part due to the efforts of God. so it needs you to bow to it? does it have some kind of complex that makes it constantly need this attention? seems like a god that created everything in the universe would have better things to do than worrying about people that don't thank it for every little thing around them... always sounded like an ego trip to me...

Omega_Supreme Joined Wed 10/28/15 Posts: 21	Wed 10/28/15 01:19 PM
so it needs you to bow to it? does it have some kind of complex that makes it constantly need this attention? seems like a god that created everything in the universe would have better things to do than worrying about people that don't thank it for every little thing around them... always sounded like an ego trip to me... Wants, not needs. God, by definition, needs nothing. If you want to be in God's presence for all of eternity, you have to show God the proper reverence. It's entirely up to you.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Wed 10/28/15 01:20 PM
so it needs you to bow to it? does it have some kind of complex that makes it constantly need this attention? seems like a god that created everything in the universe would have better things to do than worrying about people that don't thank it for every little thing around them... always sounded like an ego trip to me... Wants, not needs. God, by definition, needs nothing. If you want to be in God's presence for all of eternity, you have to show God the proper reverence. It's entirely up to you. no thanks, the gods i would believe in wouldn't be so egotistical...