The human's mind is limited, so tends to not to believe great events. So every Prophet has miracles to prove his prophecy. However some people trust him and others deny.
(Alas for My servants! Never does a Messenger come to them but they mock him.) Quran 36;30
Muslims and Christians believe the a mountain is the final resting place of Noah's ark, which the Quran and the Bible says protected Noah, his family, and pairs of every animal species on Earth during a divine flood that wiped out most of humanity.

Stories of a gre¬at ancient flood are part of hundreds of cultures. We-sterners might be most familiar with the story of Noah told in the Old Testament book of Genesis, but a great flood is reported in folklore from cultures around the world, from the Middle East to the Americas, India, China and Southern Asia to name just a few.
In the late 1990s, Columbia University geologists William Ryan and Walter Pitman proposed that a great flood in the Middle East resulted from rising water levels at the end of the last Ice Age about 7,000 years ago. At that time, the Black Sea was a freshwater lake and the lands around it were farmlands. When the European glaciers melted, the Mediterranean Sea overflowed with a force 200 times greater than that of Niagara Falls, converting the Black Sea from fresh to saltwater and flooding the area [source: National Geographic].

so far,all you have shown that some big natural Catastrophe might have taken place sometime in the Past!

It appears to me, that the title of this thread is the only actual functional argument being presented by the OP.

In response, with respect, I will say that I don't find the fact of any great catastrophe to be proof of the existence of anyone or anything.

I have searched throughout my life for logical ways to answer such ultimate questions, and have succeeded in the end, of proving to my own satisfaction, that is it logically impossible to prove or to disprove the existence or non-existence of magical beings and things.

Why, because by definition, logic does not apply to anything truly magical. And magic cannot use logic as a tool from it's own point of view, for the same reason.

Edited for off-topic.

soufie
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Uh, which great flood proves that God exists?

All ancient floods - including the formation of the Black Sea - have natural explanations.

As for the flood story recorded in Genesis, plenty of Christians (including plenty of Christian pastors) haven't paid close attention to what the biblical text says about the final resting place of Noah's Ark.

The Bible story doesn't say that the Ark landed on Mount Ararat.
Instead, it says this: "On the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat." - Genesis 8:4 (NIV)

Ararat is the biblical name for the ancient nation of Urartu.



Here is a map of the mountain ranges in that part of the world.



Notice that there are several mountains in the area that was home to the ancient nation of Ararat/Urartu.

Definition of NATURE;: the physical world and everything in it (such as plants, animals, mountains, oceans, stars, etc.) that is not made by people.
What you call 'Nature' we call it God.
The Biblical data places the Flood at 2304 BC ± 11 years.
Bible and Quran said the Flood was an order from God;
The Bible, in Genesis 5–9, gives us the bulk of what we know about Noah and his life.
Quran (54:11) Thereupon We opened the gates of the sky for water to pour down,
(54:12) and We made the earth burst forth with springs, and all this water converged to fulfil that which had been decreed.
(54:13) And We bore Noah on the vessel built of planks and nails,
(54:14) which sailed on under Our supervision: a reward for him who had been shown ingratitude.
(54:15) And We left the Ark as a Sign. Is there, then, any who will take heed?

That Timeline is based on the Young-Earth-Hypothesis!
No Basis in Fact!

this argument keeps resurfacing n i don't understand Conrad,
why you waste prodigious energy here.

Mr. Lung is in deep
& trying his best to cleave out Muslim world from ISIS.
can we really help??

at least he's trying..., testing his ideas from history..
Pope has already washed people's feet...
thereby assuring of a timeless compassion

now up to Lung to decide, whether religion is paramount
or in the heavenly community of America,
where freedom of thought n expression n pursuit of happiness
is fundamental rights of life

or stay with dead past.

I believe the timeline Lung is referring to is based on the ages of the people mentioned in the bible from the time of Adam to the birth of Jesus (hence the almost exact +/- 11 years).This is using the Bible as a record of history and not a religious book.It happens to fit neatly with the young earth hypothesis Conrad refers to and the findings of Ryan and Pitman he referred to.The problem this creates is that the Bible and the Quran says the water came from the sky and the springs of the earth.Ryan and Pitman and others say it came from melting ice.Whilst it is easy to dismiss The Bible and Quran as books inspired by God/Allah or the magical beings Igor refers to (reminds me of Jack and the Beanstalk) we are still faced with the problem of explaining why there is something rather than nothing or why there is an appearance of order and design rather than chaos.

Thank you Mr. JaiGi you understood me.

The reference is;
The Date of Noah’s Flood
by Dr John Osgood
The Biblical data places the Flood at 2304 BC ± 11 years.
http://creation.com/the-date-of-noahs-flood

The "order versus chaos" argument to try to prove that a "designer" exists is an old one. I wont argue it one way or the other in general, because there again IS no way to prove anything about it either way.

The part of it which falls apart completely, is where someone tries to use it to declare that whatever IS, is therefore due to the intelligent will of a "designer." The reason it falls apart, is that we already know that all sorts of results ("designs," if you will) have come and held sway, sometimes for millions of years, and then disappeared.

This means that although declaring the possible existence (at least at some time in the distant past) of a "designer," doesn't actually answer the question that such a postulation is supposed to resolve. There is always a "okay, but what was there before that?" question/response waiting for anyone who goes down that line of reasoning.

Several religions have tried to deal with this inherent conundrum by either declaring that the works of a god may not question the mind of that god, or have set the concern aside, declaring that finite beings are inherently incapable of comprehending the infinite. It's the intellectualized version of the old schoolyard retort of "why? Because!"

For myself, I am fine with anyone who wants to, declaring that a "designer" exists. My only stipulation is that I will not accept anyone declaring that they know more than everyone else does, what said "designers" intentions are, and that therefore they should be empowered to run our lives.

LUNG1954: "What you call 'Nature' we call it God."

Just who is "we"?

i think all this proves is that a flood happened, one of millions in the 4.5 billions years of earths history...

BTW, a great flood happened here in the US around the same time, from montana to the pacific ocean...


http://www.glaciallakemissoula.org/

We, who believe that the flood in Noah's time was sent as a punishment which God promised.
11;42 And it sailed with them through waves like mountains, and Noah called to his son who was apart [from them], "O my son, come aboard with us and be not with the disbelievers."
11;43 [But] he said, "I will take refuge on a mountain to protect me from the water." [Noah] said, "There is no protector today from the decree of Allah, except for whom He gives mercy." And the waves came between them, and he was among the drowned.

Some said the flood was local others said it covered the whole earth.
In the Genesis the words and phrases used to describe the Noah's flood, paint the picture of it being a worldwide catastrophe.
Noah's Flood May Have Happened, But Not Over the Whole Earth
http://ncse.com/rncse/29/5/yes-noahs-flood-may-have-happened-not-over-whole-earth
Quran says; 11;44 And it was said, "O earth, swallow your water, and O sky, withhold [your rain]." And the water subsided, and the matter was accomplished, and the ship came to rest on the [mountain of] Judi. And it was said, "Away with the wrongdoing people."
Where did Noah's Ark land?
The Bible says: "the mountains of Ararat". The Qur'an says: "Mount Judi".
According to The Observer (London); Noah's Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian border, 32 kilometres from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists that has been investigating the site for six years.
http://www.arksearch.com/najudi.htm

i can promise you it wasn't a worldwide thing... back then, any flood over a twenty mile radius would look like a world wide flood to anyone in it... they didn't even understand about the curvature of the earth, and only have a limited distance view to the horizon...

...my thoughts as well...not to mention all the different races...although it has been said two whites can have a black..or the opposite...to repopulate the earth with all the different races to me...seems impossible

The scholars differed in how many people were in the ship. The number is between 8 and 80 men and women. When Noah came out of the ship all men died. Only his three sons and the rest of the women lived. All human races of Adam attribute to the children of Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth.
According to ALAN R. TEMPLETON Department of Biology Washington 1999. Human Races: A Genetic and Evolutionary Perspective
Came to conclution;
Hence, human races do not exist under the traditional concept of a subspecies as being a geographically circumscribed population showing sharp genetic differentiation. A more modem definition of race is that of a distinct evolutionary lineage within a species. The genetic evidence strongly rejects the existence of distinct evolutionary lineages within humans.
http://www.unl.edu/rhames/courses/current/readings/templeton.pdf

i think you would need to look at it in a much broader time scale...
people that live near the equator live in much more sun than people living in cold climates, hence they become darker over time, or vice versa... also, there are different food staples in different regions, especially back then, and that could change their genetics.