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Anythang new on this here thread? I was bein' a good 'ol Southern baw and was watching NASCAR at Talledaga....yeeeee-haw *spits terbacky*
....BTW, Brad Keselowski won....he's from Michigan. |
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Anythang new on this here thread? I was bein' a good 'ol Southern baw and was watching NASCAR at Talledaga....yeeeee-haw *spits terbacky* ....BTW, Brad Keselowski won....he's from Michigan. jr's steering wheel came off midrace..lol |
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Anythang new on this here thread? I was bein' a good 'ol Southern baw and was watching NASCAR at Talledaga....yeeeee-haw *spits terbacky* ....BTW, Brad Keselowski won....he's from Michigan. jr's steering wheel came off midrace..lol 
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Anythang new on this here thread? I was bein' a good 'ol Southern baw and was watching NASCAR at Talledaga....yeeeee-haw *spits terbacky* ....BTW, Brad Keselowski won....he's from Michigan. jr's steering wheel came off midrace..lol told him to tighten that damn Steeringwheel-Nut!
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"Confederate soldiers should be honored because they bravely fought to keep black people on American soil enslaved." That above statement, while not openly uttered, summarizes the attitude of a certain segment of American society that is in love with symbols of America's nadir, namely the war to preserve slavery, a.k.a the U.S. Civil War. Granted, that institution of slavery was initiated by the British, and the USA's founding fathers reluctantly put the issue of slavery on the back burner when they declared independence from the British. Still, the evil of slavery wasn't something that could be tolerated in a nation which declared that all men are created equal. Over time, as the northern states gained more control over D.C. politics, Americans opposed to slavery gained opportunity to limit (if not completely eliminate) such evil. The rise of the Republican Party, with Abraham Lincoln as its presidential choice, spelled disaster for white southerners who profited from slavery. If slavery were to continue, then the white southerners would have to do something drastic, and they did. Contrary to what pro-southern revisionists keep claiming, the Confederacy was formed for the purpose of preserving slavery. As historian Gordon Rhea states, "The Confederate States were established explicitly to preserve and expand the institution of slavery. Alexander Stephens, the Confederacy's vice president, said so himself in 1861, in unambiguous terms." After the Civil War ended and slavery was eliminated, Confederates consoled themselves by saying,"We lost, but we should be proud of our heroic efforts to keep slavery alive." They and their descendants then set up monuments honoring the defenders of slavery. In 1895, one such monument was set up in Louisville, Kentucky in a location that is now within the University of Louisville. On 04/29/16, the university's president and the mayor of Louisville announced that the monument would be moved from its current location and that it would be cleaned, repaired and stored until another location for it is selected. Typically, whenever such a symbol of the Confederacy is removed from public property, somebody somewhere claims that U.S. history is being scrubbed. On the contrary, such a removal is a recognition of history. University of Louisville professor Ricky Jones says it best in a column published by Louisville's Courier-Journal newspaper: Let me be clear about what the battle flag, statues and other symbols of the Confederacy are. They are representations of hate, emptied-out ideas of racial superiority, inhumanity and devilishness. The Civil War was not a war of "northern aggression" fought by sympathetic, victimized "Gone with the Wind" characters. It was a war about slavery – plain and simple. It was a conflict the South started to maintain its right to continue playing pharaoh and endlessly force its black brutes to make bricks out of straw. Every battle flag, T-shirt, and monument to these inhumane traitors remind us of that fact. It is amazing that, in the 21st Century, symbols of the old Confederacy are still being used to extol the southern states, as if the southern states hadn't changed any since the Civil War. Well, the southern states have indeed changed. Gone With The Wind is just a movie, not a documentary about modern southern living. The nadir of America's history is to be remembered and taught about, but it isn't something to be proud of. If modern-day southerners want to display something that represents southern pride, then they should display symbols of NASCAR, which has long been identified with the southern states. After all, Richard Petty is already a southern icon.  [NASCAR legend Richard Petty] Side Issue: In a 2011 speech to the Charleston Library Society, historian Gordon Rhea states the following: Unlike present-day South Africa, the South had no truth-and-reconciliation commission. Our ancestors did not have to come to grips with their own history at a time when honesty might have carried the day. Instead, we are left with the post-war fantastical tall-tales of men like Stephens and Davis that race and slavery had nothing to do with the South's drive for independence, tall tales that have become grist for the mill of neo-confederates and their present day partisans. Those tall-tales and after-the-fact justifications, however, can survive only if we ignore what the South's leaders actually said as they urged their countrymen to action. Those words are preserved in repositories such as the Charleston Library Society. They are here for the world to read. So long as libraries across the country preserve these original speeches, pamphlets, and sermons, the message remains loud and clear: You can run from the truth, but you cannot hide from it. It is no accident that Confederate symbols have been the mainstay of white supremacist organizations, from the Ku Klux Klan to the skinheads. They did not appropriate the Confederate battle flag simply because it was pretty. They picked it because it was the flag of a nation dedicated to their ideals, i.e., "that the negro is not equal to the white man." The Confederate flag, we are told, represents heritage, not hate. But why should we celebrate a heritage grounded in hate, a heritage whose self-avowed reason for existence was the exploitation and debasement of a sizable segment of its population? * * * * * * * Originally posted @ The Moderate Voice I know you are fully aware of your audience here,,but we never know how many others read but don't post, thanx for contributing to the information those readers have for their use 
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"Confederate soldiers should be honored because they bravely fought to keep black people on American soil enslaved." That above statement, while not openly uttered, summarizes the attitude of a certain segment of American society that is in love with symbols of America's nadir, namely the war to preserve slavery, a.k.a the U.S. Civil War. Granted, that institution of slavery was initiated by the British, and the USA's founding fathers reluctantly put the issue of slavery on the back burner when they declared independence from the British. Still, the evil of slavery wasn't something that could be tolerated in a nation which declared that all men are created equal. Over time, as the northern states gained more control over D.C. politics, Americans opposed to slavery gained opportunity to limit (if not completely eliminate) such evil. The rise of the Republican Party, with Abraham Lincoln as its presidential choice, spelled disaster for white southerners who profited from slavery. If slavery were to continue, then the white southerners would have to do something drastic, and they did. Contrary to what pro-southern revisionists keep claiming, the Confederacy was formed for the purpose of preserving slavery. As historian Gordon Rhea states, "The Confederate States were established explicitly to preserve and expand the institution of slavery. Alexander Stephens, the Confederacy's vice president, said so himself in 1861, in unambiguous terms." After the Civil War ended and slavery was eliminated, Confederates consoled themselves by saying,"We lost, but we should be proud of our heroic efforts to keep slavery alive." They and their descendants then set up monuments honoring the defenders of slavery. In 1895, one such monument was set up in Louisville, Kentucky in a location that is now within the University of Louisville. On 04/29/16, the university's president and the mayor of Louisville announced that the monument would be moved from its current location and that it would be cleaned, repaired and stored until another location for it is selected. Typically, whenever such a symbol of the Confederacy is removed from public property, somebody somewhere claims that U.S. history is being scrubbed. On the contrary, such a removal is a recognition of history. University of Louisville professor Ricky Jones says it best in a column published by Louisville's Courier-Journal newspaper: Let me be clear about what the battle flag, statues and other symbols of the Confederacy are. They are representations of hate, emptied-out ideas of racial superiority, inhumanity and devilishness. The Civil War was not a war of "northern aggression" fought by sympathetic, victimized "Gone with the Wind" characters. It was a war about slavery – plain and simple. It was a conflict the South started to maintain its right to continue playing pharaoh and endlessly force its black brutes to make bricks out of straw. Every battle flag, T-shirt, and monument to these inhumane traitors remind us of that fact. It is amazing that, in the 21st Century, symbols of the old Confederacy are still being used to extol the southern states, as if the southern states hadn't changed any since the Civil War. Well, the southern states have indeed changed. Gone With The Wind is just a movie, not a documentary about modern southern living. The nadir of America's history is to be remembered and taught about, but it isn't something to be proud of. If modern-day southerners want to display something that represents southern pride, then they should display symbols of NASCAR, which has long been identified with the southern states. After all, Richard Petty is already a southern icon. [NASCAR legend Richard Petty] Side Issue: In a 2011 speech to the Charleston Library Society, historian Gordon Rhea states the following: Unlike present-day South Africa, the South had no truth-and-reconciliation commission. Our ancestors did not have to come to grips with their own history at a time when honesty might have carried the day. Instead, we are left with the post-war fantastical tall-tales of men like Stephens and Davis that race and slavery had nothing to do with the South's drive for independence, tall tales that have become grist for the mill of neo-confederates and their present day partisans. Those tall-tales and after-the-fact justifications, however, can survive only if we ignore what the South's leaders actually said as they urged their countrymen to action. Those words are preserved in repositories such as the Charleston Library Society. They are here for the world to read. So long as libraries across the country preserve these original speeches, pamphlets, and sermons, the message remains loud and clear: You can run from the truth, but you cannot hide from it. It is no accident that Confederate symbols have been the mainstay of white supremacist organizations, from the Ku Klux Klan to the skinheads. They did not appropriate the Confederate battle flag simply because it was pretty. They picked it because it was the flag of a nation dedicated to their ideals, i.e., "that the negro is not equal to the white man." The Confederate flag, we are told, represents heritage, not hate. But why should we celebrate a heritage grounded in hate, a heritage whose self-avowed reason for existence was the exploitation and debasement of a sizable segment of its population? * * * * * * * Originally posted @ The Moderate Voice I know you are fully aware of your audience here,,but we never know how many others read but don't post, thanx for contributing to the information those readers have for their use
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Slavery has been around since before the 1500's. Thanks David for sharing a small part of it's history.
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want.
I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. |
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. thank you for a more correct version of the civil war... David knows all this, but decided to post that mess anyway...(this isn't his first time talking about on the civil war on here...) |
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I can understand both sides, honestly''
I am always open to being elightened usually I do that by stepping back to compare something in perspective in this case I can compare situations to people in much the same way a criminal has possibly done much more in their life than the crime, people tend to only view them and identify them as their crime seems the same way about the south,,,,that they fought so hard to KEEP slavery to the point of being willing to no longer be a part of the states,,,,is morally considered crime so no matter what else they may have ever stood for or done,, good or bad,, that is the legacy their flag is remembered for now, being more about people than I am ideals and cute slogans, I have often argued that people are more than any one bad choice they made in their life by that standard, I can understand those who defend the flag by basically minimalizing the 'crime' next to all the other 'good' things about the south and also by that standard, I can understand those negatively impacted or those who care or cared about the negatively impacted only being able to see and identify the flag with the 'crime' that happened under it(moral crime) on a more logical note though, I'm not sure how its consistent to be a patriot of the USA and a defender of the flag that represents ceding from the USA at the same time,,,, |
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. thank you for a more correct version of the civil war... David knows all this, but decided to post that mess anyway...(this isn't his first time talking about on the civil war on here...) You know Moe, it could have been worse. I could have written a post about the theft of native lands.. Lol   
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. thank you for a more correct version of the civil war... David knows all this, but decided to post that mess anyway...(this isn't his first time talking about on the civil war on here...) You know Moe, it could have been worse. I could have written a post about the theft of native lands.. Lol theft? i think not... as in any animal species on earth, the stronger faction won... not much to argue about here, it's history now anyway and nothing can change that... |
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. thank you for a more correct version of the civil war... David knows all this, but decided to post that mess anyway...(this isn't his first time talking about on the civil war on here...) You know Moe, it could have been worse. I could have written a post about the theft of native lands.. Lol theft? i think not... as in any animal species on earth, the stronger faction won... not much to argue about here, it's history now anyway and nothing can change that... Lol just yanking yer chain. Lol. Hey try the decaf! It's pretty good! :wink See I told you it could be worse! Another day my friend, another day. Lol. |
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. thank you for a more correct version of the civil war... David knows all this, but decided to post that mess anyway...(this isn't his first time talking about on the civil war on here...) You know Moe, it could have been worse. I could have written a post about the theft of native lands.. Lol theft? i think not... as in any animal species on earth, the stronger faction won... not much to argue about here, it's history now anyway and nothing can change that... Lol just yanking yer chain. Lol. Hey try the decaf! It's pretty good! :wink See I told you it could be worse! Another day my friend, another day. Lol. Yea, Those Conquistadors were were brutal to the natives. 
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. Thank you for putting into words what I couldn't.. I was so angry when I saw this thread... And the OP knows I respect him as a person. But this thread really angered me as it was maybe intended to do |
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. Thank you for putting into words what I couldn't.. I was so angry when I saw this thread... And the OP knows I respect him as a person. But this thread really angered me as it was maybe intended to do He's a known Maoist too, comes from the Northern Hebei Province of China. 
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^^^^^ I have no idea nor do I care really he just articulated something better than I could and I am thanking him.
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^^^^^ I have no idea nor do I care really he just articulated something better than I could and I am thanking him. You Welcome Sitka. No worries luv. Alley-oop is very funny. That's why I like every body in here. Very passionate people. We are a rarety! |
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Well I took World History in college. Doesnt mean anything really... in the Desert South West we are taught both sides of the issue. The south did use slaves, but so did the north. The freedom trains had been running for a while. Escaped African slaves were being freed from the north and the south. The USA was going broke. It had welched on some British and French loans and they were collecting. The south was booming. Textiles, crops, livestock and railroads. The North saw a chance to get caught up. The South told the North to shove the new taxes. The USGOV decided to "make up a reason to go to war" with the South. (Funny they haven't gotten that out of their system). They said you are slave owners! The south said so are you. The whole idea was to plunder the south to pay for the Norths financial irresponsibility. Just like all red flags or false reasons to go to war, that have been done like 911, the are just smoke for the USGOV to do what Washingtonites want. I have never belived the story that the Dixie flag was a sign of slavery. To me it is a symbol of a nation rising up to meet an adverserial government. It is the media machine that has made African Americans belive that all southerners hate blacks. Thus they belive the Dixieland flag represents slavery. You can say, your a southerner, you are biased. Don't be hard on David. The system is what we should be angry at. In my humble opinion. Thank you for putting into words what I couldn't.. I was so angry when I saw this thread... And the OP knows I respect him as a person. But this thread really angered me as it was maybe intended to do He's a known Maoist too, comes from the Northern Hebei Province of China. Well the only thing you got right was my 25% Chinese heritage. A relative that escaped the railroads construction crews to Mexico. my great grandma a poblano native. Alley, Maoist?? Really? Lol |
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