Topic: Does using the N word make you a racist ?
searay260's photo
Tue 08/02/16 07:22 PM
Yes I think it does. I have Afro-American family and
that word is not used. We feel its in very poor taste
as that word has been used in such a derogatory manner
for so long, that it is has become vulgar.

peggy122's photo
Tue 08/02/16 09:16 PM



the context of the relationship between the speakers will always matter


'double standard' or not

my labeling of someone racist is by the context of their speech, especially over time, and always will be





... which is why I said that if black people feel entitled to use that word in a positive context with each other, then they should refrain from the popular practice of labelling whites ae racist when they are excercising their right to use the word ****** in a positive context too, as they see their black friends do.


msharmony's photo
Tue 08/02/16 10:41 PM




the context of the relationship between the speakers will always matter


'double standard' or not

my labeling of someone racist is by the context of their speech, especially over time, and always will be





... which is why I said that if black people feel entitled to use that word in a positive context with each other, then they should refrain from the popular practice of labelling whites ae racist when they are excercising their right to use the word ****** in a positive context too, as they see their black friends do.






I partially agree, the history of whites oppressing blacks makes the word offensive when used by whites towards blacks,, UNLESS It is being used by a white person in a circle of blacks who use it with that person and are ok with including that person in the usage of that word

but its up to the person to whom the word is being applied to if its 'offensive',, whatver the word

my husband and friends call me certain pet names, but they arent appropriate for others to call me , even if they hear my husband or friends doing it

its best to use the proper name unless the person has expressed approval of being called something else



mightymoe's photo
Wed 08/03/16 06:47 AM





the context of the relationship between the speakers will always matter


'double standard' or not

my labeling of someone racist is by the context of their speech, especially over time, and always will be





... which is why I said that if black people feel entitled to use that word in a positive context with each other, then they should refrain from the popular practice of labelling whites ae racist when they are excercising their right to use the word ****** in a positive context too, as they see their black friends do.






I partially agree, the history of whites oppressing blacks makes the word offensive when used by whites towards blacks,, UNLESS It is being used by a white person in a circle of blacks who use it with that person and are ok with including that person in the usage of that word

but its up to the person to whom the word is being applied to if its 'offensive',, whatver the word

my husband and friends call me certain pet names, but they arent appropriate for others to call me , even if they hear my husband or friends doing it

its best to use the proper name unless the person has expressed approval of being called something else





so blacks dictate what can or can't be said by whites?

peggy122's photo
Wed 08/03/16 08:33 AM
Edited by peggy122 on Wed 08/03/16 08:38 AM







the context of the relationship between the speakers will always matter


'double standard' or not

my labeling of someone racist is by the context of their speech, especially over time, and always will be





... which is why I said that if black people feel entitled to use that word in a positive context with each other, then they should refrain from the popular practice of labelling whites ae racist when they are excercising their right to use the word ****** in a positive context too, as they see their black friends do.






I partially agree, the history of whites oppressing blacks makes the word offensive when used by whites towards blacks,, UNLESS It is being used by a white person in a circle of blacks who use it with that person and are ok with including that person in the usage of that word

but its up to the person to whom the word is being applied to if its 'offensive',, whatver the word

my husband and friends call me certain pet names, but they arent appropriate for others to call me , even if they hear my husband or friends doing it

its best to use the proper name unless the person has expressed approval of being called something else





so blacks dictate what can or can't be said by whites?


Yes.. But if we get permission to use the word ****** by a black person, its then o.k.

I think its by committee, so you have to apply a few times before your given the final o.k. to say it. I guess you get slapped around a bit the first few times you throw it out there... then after you are worthy.. your allowed to say it..

The power.. if you don't have the power.. you can't give the o.k.






This made me laugh Greeneyes because the irony of the scenario you painted is not lost on me laugh

But to be fair to Ms H,(and she can correct me if I am wrong), I think the broader context of what she is saying ,is that no one has the right to dictate or condemn the rules of engagements that OTHER PEOPLE have adopted for THEIR relationships, whether that relationship is with a white or black person.

I do have some concerns with how that noble ideal actually translates in reality, but first things first...
Did I interpret you correctly Ms. H.?


msharmony's photo
Wed 08/03/16 08:51 AM






the context of the relationship between the speakers will always matter


'double standard' or not

my labeling of someone racist is by the context of their speech, especially over time, and always will be





... which is why I said that if black people feel entitled to use that word in a positive context with each other, then they should refrain from the popular practice of labelling whites ae racist when they are excercising their right to use the word ****** in a positive context too, as they see their black friends do.






I partially agree, the history of whites oppressing blacks makes the word offensive when used by whites towards blacks,, UNLESS It is being used by a white person in a circle of blacks who use it with that person and are ok with including that person in the usage of that word

but its up to the person to whom the word is being applied to if its 'offensive',, whatver the word

my husband and friends call me certain pet names, but they arent appropriate for others to call me , even if they hear my husband or friends doing it

its best to use the proper name unless the person has expressed approval of being called something else





so blacks dictate what can or can't be said by whites?



nope, whites can call each other ni&&a all they like,,,lol

already been covered


see, I dont want any stranger referring to me or about me as sweetcheeks,,

my husband, and close circles might do it all day long,,

different context makes it offensive or not,,, if I am involved as the one being spoken to or about


however,,, if I am not being spoken to or about, its not really my concern or business


msharmony's photo
Wed 08/03/16 08:58 AM








the context of the relationship between the speakers will always matter


'double standard' or not

my labeling of someone racist is by the context of their speech, especially over time, and always will be





... which is why I said that if black people feel entitled to use that word in a positive context with each other, then they should refrain from the popular practice of labelling whites ae racist when they are excercising their right to use the word ****** in a positive context too, as they see their black friends do.






I partially agree, the history of whites oppressing blacks makes the word offensive when used by whites towards blacks,, UNLESS It is being used by a white person in a circle of blacks who use it with that person and are ok with including that person in the usage of that word

but its up to the person to whom the word is being applied to if its 'offensive',, whatver the word

my husband and friends call me certain pet names, but they arent appropriate for others to call me , even if they hear my husband or friends doing it

its best to use the proper name unless the person has expressed approval of being called something else





so blacks dictate what can or can't be said by whites?


Yes.. But if we get permission to use the word ****** by a black person, its then o.k.

I think its by committee, so you have to apply a few times before your given the final o.k. to say it. I guess you get slapped around a bit the first few times you throw it out there... then after you are worthy.. your allowed to say it..

The power.. if you don't have the power.. you can't give the o.k.






This made me laugh Greeneyes because the irony of the scenario you painted is not lost on me laugh

But to be fair to Ms H,(and she can correct me if I am wrong), I think the broader context of what she is saying ,is that no one has the right to dictate or condemn the rules of engagements that OTHER PEOPLE have adopted for THEIR relationships, whether that relationship is with a white or black person.

I do have some concerns with how that noble ideal actually translates in reality, but first things first...
Did I interpret you correctly Ms. H.?





yes, exactly


the 'double standard' applies in most relationships based upon context

it is up to the person being spoken to or about, if they are offended and in what contexts

between A the speaker, and B the person spoken to or about

all others should C their way out of it


other examples

its a double standard that my friends can hug me , but I dont like strangers to even touch me


its a double standard that jewish can call each other jew but a nazi sympathizer probably comes across much more insulting in context

foxworthy can talk about rednecks, but kanye west,,, probably much more of an insulting context and not ok


,,etc,,,etc,,,etc


speaking to and about each other, is an agreement between the people in the conversation or the subject of the conversation



Dodo_David's photo
Wed 08/03/16 09:44 AM
I understand what msharmony is saying, but I still don't understand why members of a private group would call each other by a derogatory word.

msharmony's photo
Wed 08/03/16 09:46 AM

I understand what msharmony is saying, but I still don't understand why members of a private group would call each other by a derogatory word.



and thats understandable, I dont understand alot of things other cultures do,, but thats life



Dodo_David's photo
Wed 08/03/16 09:54 AM


I understand what msharmony is saying, but I still don't understand why members of a private group would call each other by a derogatory word.



and thats understandable, I dont understand alot of things other cultures do,, but thats life


I can't argue with that, msharmony. flowers

adj4u's photo
Fri 08/05/16 05:32 PM
Edited by adj4u on Fri 08/05/16 05:39 PM

Definition of nixxer

1
offensive; see usage paragraph below —used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a black person

2
offensive; see usage paragraph below —used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a member of any dark-skinned race

3
now often offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of a class or group of people who are systematically subjected to discrimination and unfair treatment <it's time for somebody to lead all of America's niggers … all the people who feel left out of the political process — Ron Dellums>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/******

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In the Merriam-Webster dictionary the definition of the word "******" reads: Usually offensive; a black person, a member of any dark skinned race. A member of any disadvantaged class of persons. All non-white skinned people are not offensive! All non-white people are not disadvantaged. It is offensive to ME an African American male to have my child look up the word "******" and to begin to cry! What has been printed in Merriam-Webster needs to be changed to what it previously read. It referred to Ignorance not color. It is Ignorant to hate another human being just because of their skin color! I am offended,

https://www.change.org/p/merriam-webster-change-the-definition-of-the-word-******

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Usage alert
The term ****** is now probably the most offensive word in English. Its degree of offensiveness has increased markedly in recent years, although it has been used in a derogatory manner since at least the Revolutionary War. The senses labeled Extremely Disparaging and Offensive represent meanings that are deeply insulting and are used when the speaker deliberately wishes to cause great offense. It is so profoundly offensive that a euphemism has developed for those occasions when the word itself must be discussed, as in court or in a newspaper editorial: “the n-word.”
Despite this, the sense referring to a “black person” is sometimes used self-referentially among African Americans in a neutral or familiar way. The sense referring to other victims of prejudice, especially when used descriptively, as to denounce that prejudice, is not normally considered disparaging—as in “The Irish are the niggers of Europe” from Roddy Doyle's The Commitments—but the other uses are considered contemptuous and hostile.
noun
1.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive.

a contemptuous term used to refer to a black person.
a contemptuous term used to refer to a member of any dark-skinned people.

2.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a contemptuous term used to refer to a person of any racial or ethnic origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3.
a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by black people; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/******

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Did the Definition of ****** Change?

There is a widespread belief that the original meaning of ******, as defined in dictionaries, was "an ignorant person," and a related belief that current dictionary definitions describing its use as a hateful, racist epithet are a recent change. We do not know the source of those beliefs, but they are not accurate. The word was first included in a Merriam-Webster dictionary in 1864, at which time it was defined as a synonym of Negro, with a note indicating that it was used "in derision or depreciation." There has never been a definition like "an ignorant person" for this word in any subsequent dictionary published by this company. Nor do we know of such a definition in any earlier dictionary.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/******

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it appears from the history of the word those that are offended by the use of the word have claimed the word thus being derogatory against themselves as much if not more so than the one using the word

but hey what do i know

i do know i have looked up the word a few decades ago and it was basically defined as those of any race that expects to receive goods or services free of charge just because they want them

Dodo_David's photo
Fri 08/05/16 08:31 PM

i do know i have looked up the word a few decades ago and it was basically defined as those of any race that expects to receive goods or services free of charge just because they want them


Gee, I thought the word for that was Democrat. indifferent

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/06/16 12:39 PM


i do know i have looked up the word a few decades ago and it was basically defined as those of any race that expects to receive goods or services free of charge just because they want them


Gee, I thought the word for that was Democrat. indifferent



lol,, you must not have reviewed all the fed assistance going to republican states then,,,,:tongue:

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 08/06/16 12:42 PM



i do know i have looked up the word a few decades ago and it was basically defined as those of any race that expects to receive goods or services free of charge just because they want them


Gee, I thought the word for that was Democrat. indifferent



lol,, you must not have reviewed all the fed assistance going to republican states then,,,,:tongue:


No, I just read what the supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton want. :tongue:

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/06/16 12:49 PM
cause what people say and what they do almost always match,,,

that's why there are no republican politicians who were gay, and no democratic politicians who were financially stingy

laugh

Dodo_David's photo
Sat 08/06/16 12:51 PM

cause what people say and what they do almost always match,,,

that's why there are no republican politicians who were gay, and no democratic politicians who were financially stingy

laugh


You didn't refute what the supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have demanded.

yellowrose10's photo
Sat 08/06/16 12:55 PM

freedom of speech is grand




Unless it is against site rules. Freedom of speech doesn't apply. Move on

no photo
Sat 08/06/16 12:58 PM
Selm :wink:

msharmony's photo
Sat 08/06/16 12:59 PM


cause what people say and what they do almost always match,,,

that's why there are no republican politicians who were gay, and no democratic politicians who were financially stingy

laugh


You didn't refute what the supporters of Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have demanded.



mostly because the thread is about the N word,,,

and somedays I don't wish to waste energy on such empty accusations,,


yellowrose10's photo
Sat 08/06/16 01:00 PM
I won't hijack this with politics, but ifI hear that word, I have every right to speak up against it. It is a vile wordamd those that use it degrades themselves and others