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Hell no! The short version.
AR15 guns are remarkable pieces of machinery and fun to shoot. There is a continual push to ban them because they can and are used in mass shootings. Lets just say, AR15s are totally gone. Does that solve the problem? Many think so. So why aren't we doing that? Well, that's because guns don't kill people. People kill people. ______________________________________________________________________ Okay. So, just ban high capacity magazines and semi-auto rifles. That'll solve the mass shootings problem right? Nope Why Not? For example, shot guns do way more damage in a mass shooting situation because they usually occur at close range. With shot guns all you have to do is point in the general direction and spray lead. Yeah but it takes a long time to load shotguns. No, not really. Shotgun Speed Reloading! 3.5 seconds for 8 shots with reload in SlowMo (60P) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXkyEbrqNGw or single shots can be loaded quickly and shot accurately enough. Easily duplicated method of Speed loading a single shot 12 ZRUS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5keKy6i37J0 If a person becomes skilled, there are other extremely quick ways of loading individual shells. ______________________________________________________________________ While the AR15 is simpler to use for mass shootings banning them won't have any large effect. If shotguns become the go to gun for mass shootings the casualties and fatalities will increase due to the nasty nature of shotgun shot. ______________________________________________________________________ Okay Ban all guns. Nope still won't work. Banning all weapons including rocks, cars, bricks, coins, pens, pencils, and just about everything that exists will be the only way to keep people for killing other people. Objects don't kill people. People kill people. So stop blaming the AR15 specifically and/or guns in general. It's the insane / religiously driven people that need to be banned.  Rethink your position on banning AR15s and/or guns in general after first educating yourself. Don't be sheepish by just blindly listening to others. I'm merely bringing up the point. Now go do your own research. |
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I'd rather keep my armalite rifle.
 BAN all liberals 
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Thank you Rockgnome!
Wish more could get thru their heads that AR doesn't mean assault rifle. |
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The old saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people, is worth following up on.
Do what it takes to keep the people who kill people from getting the weapons. Don't pick on the weapons themselves. However, if you are among the people who think that doing nothing at all is a logical or "brave" response to the dangers we face, I would say that you are gravely mistaken. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Sat 07/02/16 11:14 AM
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The old saying that guns don't kill people, people kill people, is worth following up on. Do what it takes to keep the people who kill people from getting the weapons. Don't pick on the weapons themselves. However, if you are among the people who think that doing nothing at all is a logical or "brave" response to the dangers we face, I would say that you are gravely mistaken. yep,Jan 18, 2013 - Biden: We need more gun laws because we don't have time to enforce ... Obama want new laws is because they don't have time to enforce the laws ... Laws Don't Work So Let's Pass Some More « YouViewed/Editorial ..... There is so much stupid pouring out of Biden's mouth now that I can't keep up with it.!     another Biden-Boner! http://hotair.com/archives/2013/01/18/biden-we-need-more-gun-laws-because-we-dont-have-time-to-enforce-the-ones-we-have/ It is a Miracle indeed that the Kneejoints of those Kneejerkers haven't come apart yet!
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sat 07/02/16 10:44 AM
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Nobody wants "bad" people to have guns.... NOBODY! The problem is not in the laws, it's in enforcing the ones already on the books..... and that falls on govt funding and present policy enforcement. Without enforcement, adding more laws or restrictions on law abiding citizens isn't going to make much, if any, difference It's single minded thinking that is the deterrent to a logical solution... 
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However, if you are among the people who think that doing nothing at all is a logical or "brave" response to the dangers we face, I would say that you are gravely mistaken. I try to keep an open mind and educate myself on the issues at hand before I decide. Even then I can be persuaded as there may be something I didn't know or take into consideration. I don't want our society to become one in which we turn in our neighbors. But, how do we identify and control the nuts before they burst? I don't want to be on any damn list good or bad. I enjoy the remaining freedoms that I have. I don't want to shed any of them. So what can be done? |
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Nationwide, there are literally thousands of laws on the books,
regarding "guns". More laws, will only be a kneejerk reaction, from kneejerk politicians, vying for the socialist vote. |
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Banning the ownership of ANY gun will only accomplish two things.
It will mean only criminals will have a banned gun. It will turn otherwise law abiding people into criminals the same way prohibition did. If banning the AR15 doesn't stop "mass shootings" what will be the next thing to be banned? 223 and 556 ammo? All ammo? Increasing the number KNOWN "soft targets" emboldens criminals and terrorists. How many "mass shootings" have been at gun shows? How many have been at gun ranges? How many have been at gun stores? Maybe, just maybe, making it so that there are no known soft targets, that there is a possibility that terrorists could be confronted by lethal force, it would deter some of them. We constantly hear from the anti-gun activists that if one life is save because of a ban then it's worth it.....what if MANY lives could be saved by not banning guns and eliminating known soft targets? Guns don't need to shot to be a deterrent, they just need to be present, just ask any cop most of who NEVER have to draw their guns. Better yet, ask criminals if they select victims they know are armed. |
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Edited by
JOHNN111
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Sat 07/02/16 01:58 PM
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Banning high capacity magazines WILL absolutely make a difference in mass shootings, it all comes down to time and distance.
Time to reload mean more distance between the shooter and the victims, or less distance, to stop the shooter... seconds count |
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Nobody wants "bad" people to have guns.... NOBODY! The problem is not in the laws, it's in enforcing the ones already on the books..... and that falls on govt funding and present policy enforcement. Without enforcement, adding more laws or restrictions on law abiding citizens isn't going to make much, if any, difference It's single minded thinking that is the deterrent to a logical solution... Well, sort of. With ANY law, if all that is done is to make something illegal, nothing is accomplished (except maybe fooling people into voting for the politician). There are at least three basic elements which are required, in order to make a law do what it's supposed to. 1) the law itself; 2) enabling laws and regulations to make it POSSIBLE to enforce it; 3) funding. Complaining that we have enough laws, therefore isn't always or even often, accurate. A lot of the time, what we need are some additional related laws, to make it POSSIBLE to enforce the first one. That's the case with too may of the laws which were supposed to allow gun sellers to be responsible players. If we pass a law to require background checks, but then prevent sellers from accessing the data in a reasonable time, the law wont be enforceable. And if no additional funding is provided, even a correctly written law, with appropriate structural support wont be enforced. |
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Edited by
Sojourning_Soul
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Sat 07/02/16 02:25 PM
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Nobody wants "bad" people to have guns.... NOBODY! The problem is not in the laws, it's in enforcing the ones already on the books..... and that falls on govt funding and present policy enforcement. Without enforcement, adding more laws or restrictions on law abiding citizens isn't going to make much, if any, difference It's single minded thinking that is the deterrent to a logical solution... Well, sort of. With ANY law, if all that is done is to make something illegal, nothing is accomplished (except maybe fooling people into voting for the politician). There are at least three basic elements which are required, in order to make a law do what it's supposed to. 1) the law itself; 2) enabling laws and regulations to make it POSSIBLE to enforce it; 3) funding. Complaining that we have enough laws, therefore isn't always or even often, accurate. A lot of the time, what we need are some additional related laws, to make it POSSIBLE to enforce the first one. That's the case with too may of the laws which were supposed to allow gun sellers to be responsible players. If we pass a law to require background checks, but then prevent sellers from accessing the data in a reasonable time, the law wont be enforceable. And if no additional funding is provided, even a correctly written law, with appropriate structural support wont be enforced. And therein lies the problem. If we, or our congress, can't find a way to get past the PC and funding issues of laws already on the books, how is passing more regulation or unfundable, unenforcible laws going to help? It merely infringes upon more freedoms and complicates the issue further! Voting to, or having congress voting to, infringe even more upon our already diminishing rights does nothing to protect the public! Voting away your own rights in favor of govt is the reason for the 2nd amendment in the 1st place!   
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Banning high capacity magazines WILL absolutely make a difference in mass shootings, it all comes down to time and distance. Time to reload mean more distance between the shooter and the victims, or less distance, to stop the shooter... seconds count Shooting a gun and hitting an intended target is tough and takes several seconds. You can easily go through clips without hitting any high value targets. Some people, most can be taught, can reload single shot shot guns as fast as you can AIM and pull the trigger of an auto. With buck shot in shot guns you don't have to aim thereby saving lots of time. You can also hit several targets with one pull of the trigger. Most people hide or cower together in a corner or under something. Therefore spraying shot will hit multiple targets. |
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I wonder how many background checks these fine upstanding citizens passed.....
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Banning high capacity magazines WILL absolutely make a difference in mass shootings, it all comes down to time and distance. Time to reload mean more distance between the shooter and the victims, or less distance, to stop the shooter... seconds count Shooting a gun and hitting an intended target is tough and takes several seconds. You can easily go through clips without hitting any high value targets. Some people, most can be taught, can reload single shot shot guns as fast as you can AIM and pull the trigger of an auto. With buck shot in shot guns you don't have to aim thereby saving lots of time. You can also hit several targets with one pull of the trigger. Most people hide or cower together in a corner or under something. Therefore spraying shot will hit multiple targets. That depends on the choke , and the load your using . Ever hear of pumpkins ? Then theirs buckshot #00 , ect, Dove a quail #2 , ect . |
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I wonder how many background checks these fine upstanding citizens passed..... Touche'
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 Decebal Stefan Emilian Mătăsăreanu right before he bled out....part of the two man bank robbing team during the infamous North Hollywood shootout.....which took place DURING the last "assault weapons" ban...they also used illegal fully automatic weapons. Both were convicted felons prohibited from possessing firearms. Whodathunkit...criminals breaking laws...shocker there, I tell ya.....
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Banning high capacity magazines WILL absolutely make a difference in mass shootings, it all comes down to time and distance. Time to reload mean more distance between the shooter and the victims, or less distance, to stop the shooter... seconds count Shooting a gun and hitting an intended target is tough and takes several seconds. You can easily go through clips without hitting any high value targets. Some people, most can be taught, can reload single shot shot guns as fast as you can AIM and pull the trigger of an auto. With buck shot in shot guns you don't have to aim thereby saving lots of time. You can also hit several targets with one pull of the trigger. Most people hide or cower together in a corner or under something. Therefore spraying shot will hit multiple targets. Spraying shot might hit multiple targets but kill shots are almost unheard of in the Medium ranges. Let's not argue this point shall we? shotguns are mostly useless in mass shootings and practically never used in them. Semi-Auto with large capacity mags, no use for them and they should absolutely be banned.
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Banning high capacity magazines WILL absolutely make a difference in mass shootings, it all comes down to time and distance. Time to reload mean more distance between the shooter and the victims, or less distance, to stop the shooter... seconds count Shooting a gun and hitting an intended target is tough and takes several seconds. You can easily go through clips without hitting any high value targets. Some people, most can be taught, can reload single shot shot guns as fast as you can AIM and pull the trigger of an auto. With buck shot in shot guns you don't have to aim thereby saving lots of time. You can also hit several targets with one pull of the trigger. Most people hide or cower together in a corner or under something. Therefore spraying shot will hit multiple targets. Spraying shot might hit multiple targets but kill shots are almost unheard of in the Medium ranges. Let's not argue this point shall we? shotguns are mostly useless in mass shootings and practically never used in them. Semi-Auto with large capacity mags, no use for them and they should absolutely be banned. We are talking a few yards,not tens of yards!
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