Topic: What is BLM?
Smartazzjohn's photo
Wed 07/20/16 02:27 PM



Amusing and ironic how the same people who note that Zimmerman was found not guilty, and want that mess permanently put to bed, still insist that Clinton go to jail after being found not guilty.

All rather clearly demonstrates how it really isn't about rational thinking or real personal principles of justice to a lot of people.


Who found Hillary "not guilty"???
I take it you are talking about what Comey said.
He didn't say Clinton wasn't guilty, in fact quite the opposite, he outlined what she was guilty of doing.

Any one who is intellectually honest with themselves and others would acknowledge that a decision not to prosecute someone isn't a declaration that they aren't guilty.


kind of like not prosecuting Darren Wilson,,,,I agree

and even prosecuting and finding 'not guilty' doesn't mean being proven innocent,, just that there wasn't enough there to 'prove' up to that courts standard and the legal definition of the charge,,,


In Wilsons case there were witnesses that came forward and corroborated what he said happened. That is why the grand jury found that his actions were justified and an indictment wasn't warranted. The DOJ investigated and agreed.

In the Hillary case the FBI and State IG investigations didn't corroborate what she said, they actually did the opposite and definitely didn't justify what she did.

The results of those investigations both resulted in no prosecution but that is where the similarities end.


msharmony's photo
Wed 07/20/16 02:33 PM
in Wilsons case 'witnesses' came forward to corroborate that he was not charging the officer

'witnesses'(I Actually only read one witness saying so,,but I didn't read the 4000 paged of grand jury documents) came forward claiming to have seen mike charging


prosecutor decided, for his own reasons, that the latter were to be considered more credible than the former



in Clintons case, the DOJ concluded Hilary was careless but didn't do anything illegal

so, they have in common, that neither were found to be guilty of a crime

Smartazzjohn's photo
Wed 07/20/16 02:52 PM

in Wilsons case 'witnesses' came forward to corroborate that he was not charging the officer

'witnesses'(I Actually only read one witness saying so,,but I didn't read the 4000 paged of grand jury documents) came forward claiming to have seen mike charging


prosecutor decided, for his own reasons, that the latter were to be considered more credible than the former



in Clintons case, the DOJ concluded Hilary was careless but didn't do anything illegal

so, they have in common, that neither were found to be guilty of a crime


The DOJ didn't conclude anything, they went with the FBI's recommendation.
Comey didn't say Hillary was or wasn't guilty of a crime, he said that there has never been a case like hers that had been prosecuted so his recommendation was not to prosecute.

And just for the record, because this was never adjudicated in a court she isn't protect by "Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment" nor the statute of limitation if the next DOJ decides to prosecute.

msharmony's photo
Wed 07/20/16 02:57 PM


in Wilsons case 'witnesses' came forward to corroborate that he was not charging the officer

'witnesses'(I Actually only read one witness saying so,,but I didn't read the 4000 paged of grand jury documents) came forward claiming to have seen mike charging


prosecutor decided, for his own reasons, that the latter were to be considered more credible than the former



in Clintons case, the DOJ concluded Hilary was careless but didn't do anything illegal

so, they have in common, that neither were found to be guilty of a crime


The DOJ didn't conclude anything, they went with the FBI's recommendation.
Comey didn't say Hillary was or wasn't guilty of a crime, he said that there has never been a case like hers that had been prosecuted so his recommendation was not to prosecute.

And just for the record, because this was never adjudicated in a court she isn't protect by "Double Jeopardy Clause of the Fifth Amendment" nor the statute of limitation if the next DOJ decides to prosecute.




great, and still,neither were convicted of any crime

IgorFrankensteen's photo
Wed 07/20/16 03:37 PM
Edited by IgorFrankensteen on Wed 07/20/16 03:38 PM


Amusing and ironic how the same people who note that Zimmerman was found not guilty, and want that mess permanently put to bed, still insist that Clinton go to jail after being found not guilty.

All rather clearly demonstrates how it really isn't about rational thinking or real personal principles of justice to a lot of people.
Clinton was found Not Guilty in WHAT COURT?
better read that pesky Rule she repeatedly broke!
Love your Pineapples and Potatoes!:laughing:


She was found not to be in sufficient violation of any laws to even warrant a charge, much less a trial.

Yet someone who WAS formally charged, arrested, and then tried, is supposed to be MORE innocent?

By that kind of reasoning, every American who hasn't been charged with a crime should also go to jail.

no photo
Fri 07/22/16 08:36 AM



Teaching kids to riot and disrespectfully disrupting the events of others rather than sponsoring their own....

Isn't that just adding more to the problem?



teaching kids to 'riot' or be 'disrespectful' aren't on the BLM agenda





And yet, this is exactly what many BLM activists do. They teach kids that its okay to riot, that its an understandable expression of their frustration.


I remember when the media consistently declared the tea party racist, and acted like 'being racist' was the entire motive for its existence. I looked into it, and there was very little racism being expressed by any tea party members. A very few bad apples were cherry picked and then lied about to making the tea party look like a racist organization.

So way back in the beginning when conservatives said that BLM was racist and hateful I assumed they were doing the same thing - cherry picking a very few racist examples.

I was wrong. It turns out that racism is part of the DNA of the movement. It isn't just a very few cherry picked examples, its found in their leadership in many parts of the country.

Its the same thing with other values. The local leaders of BLM don't value facts, nor reason, nor honesty. They don't even value black lives.


no photo
Fri 07/22/16 08:40 AM


a jury finding someone not guilty doesn't mean anything except what their legal fate is


Of course it means something. It doesn't mean that its impossible for a jury to be wrong, but for it still means a great deal. Its even more so when they trial is highly publicized and scrutinize and mobs of irrational people are poised to riot if they don't get the verdict they want.

And in that particular case, much of the trial could be found on youtube. Its obvious that zimmerman wasn't guilty.

no photo
Fri 07/22/16 08:43 AM

I know how its uncomfortable to face other peoples realities,,

I will leave it at that,,,sigh


That has nothing to do with it. Like so many SJW 'values', the doctrine of 'lived experiences' is about denying accountability, avoiding facts, avoiding the truth, and silencing dissenting viewpoints.

We'd like to believe that its about listening to people, trying to understand their point of view, having empathy and compassion; but it simply isn't. BLM activists and other SJWs have shown this again and again.

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/22/16 09:30 AM
ye.. all those black folks are just delusional about what they experience in their communities

or liars


whoa

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/22/16 01:46 PM
smh


and there was a sticker on their head saying 'my blm parent taught me this'?

seriously,, some of these posts are batcrap ridiculous

adj4u's photo
Fri 07/22/16 03:51 PM

individuals showing up to protests for a movement and committing violence isnt the same as the movement inciting, encouraging, causing, or promoting violence


its not a humiliation, its just proof that like in all other times in us history, there are many americans who would rather silence minorities than see them progress,,,



black lives matter definitely have called for violence and death

so yes they are responsible

adj4u's photo
Fri 07/22/16 03:52 PM




BLM is Bureau of Land Management, isn't it?


Yep. Another criminal organization! laugh


Yup, just like the MOB, they own Nevada...

rofl rofl rofl


The gaming control board ran the mob out of town in the 80's and 90's. Your watching to many movies.....


i think they meant the blm owns nevada over 80% of nevada is federal
property

adj4u's photo
Fri 07/22/16 03:56 PM

HAAAAA

same old insane distractions



that addressing peoples grievances with police makes people kill police

and that a community that has crime therefore has no standing to take issue with police brutality


suck it up sallies, its a new age and people aren't going to stop speaking up for change




but I give credit to the devotion of having pages of these ridiculous rebuttals on hand






""""same old distractions""""""

absolutely the elite are the masters of slight of hand distraction

look whats happening here --- while they arrange for the theft of
your liberties

adj4u's photo
Fri 07/22/16 03:59 PM



Amusing and ironic how the same people who note that Zimmerman was found not guilty, and want that mess permanently put to bed, still insist that Clinton go to jail after being found not guilty.

All rather clearly demonstrates how it really isn't about rational thinking or real personal principles of justice to a lot of people.


Who found Hillary "not guilty"???
I take it you are talking about what Comey said.
He didn't say Clinton wasn't guilty, in fact quite the opposite, he outlined what she was guilty of doing.

Any one who is intellectually honest with themselves and others would acknowledge that a decision not to prosecute someone isn't a declaration that they aren't guilty.


kind of like not prosecuting Darren Wilson,,,,I agree

and even prosecuting and finding 'not guilty' doesn't mean being proven innocent,, just that there wasn't enough there to 'prove' up to that courts standard and the legal definition of the charge,,,



not quite darran wilson case went before a grand jury

clintons case has not been before any jury

msharmony's photo
Fri 07/22/16 11:03 PM


HAAAAA

same old insane distractions



that addressing peoples grievances with police makes people kill police

and that a community that has crime therefore has no standing to take issue with police brutality


suck it up sallies, its a new age and people aren't going to stop speaking up for change




but I give credit to the devotion of having pages of these ridiculous rebuttals on hand






""""same old distractions""""""

absolutely the elite are the masters of slight of hand distraction

look whats happening here --- while they arrange for the theft of
your liberties


I am not talking about the elite

just about common folks on the internet posting to mingle2

isaac_dede's photo
Fri 07/22/16 11:07 PM
It's trivial that's what it is.....trivial

Conrad_73's photo
Sat 07/23/16 12:11 AM
Ernst Soros' very own SA!

msharmony's photo
Sat 07/23/16 06:12 PM
laughable if it weren't such a passion to continue berating this movement


just an fyi


having individuals show up where something is happening to commit a crime, does not make them spokespersons, or representative of those who organize the event'

A hate group is an organized group or movement that advocates and practices hatred, hostility, or violence towards members of a race, ethnicity, nation, religion, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation or any other designated sector of society.


BLM had never made any official advocation of hatred or violence towards any of the above groups


or anyone else



therefore not a hate group, , however many times people try to id them by the nutcases that occassionally show up to their events


since those eight officers have died at the hands of ex military, why not clarify them a 'hate group'


because that would be nonsense wouldnt it?



msharmony's photo
Sun 07/24/16 11:43 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 07/24/16 11:44 AM
I have as much information as those who feel they are stating 'facts' about what BLM is or what the movement stands for or promotes



what legal right would an organizer have to 'stop' people from using their freedom of speech?


there have been over one thousand demonstrations, and you ask if some people in several places could 'happen to show up' um,,well

YES

in the United States, we have this thing called freedom of movement


just like many racist people with racists signs and words show up to republican conventions



its still irrelevant to if the movement/group encourages or promotes that behavior

eldarbeast's photo
Sun 07/24/16 01:22 PM


Thanks MsH for the explanation.

I think if I had black children and saw what has been seen
over the last few years I too would be finding ways to
protect them. Even if tis only educating others.


I so appreciate that ms soufie

my experience echoes this founder , I have a son who was always tall for his age

I teach him to walk away from trouble if possible, but this male did exactly that TWICE and was still hunted by an armed adult and killed



Except, as the evidence proves Zimmerman's innocence, Trayvon left his father's home and sought out Zimmerman so he could assault him as he had told his friend by cellphone.

Lesson learned? Don't assault an armed person.