Hello my good people of M2, what a lovely day in the " Keystone State", plenty of sun today. Shots out to all who follow my " Hot Tea Forum Topics" posting your views, I love it keep it going, don't be shy to voice. First things first I want to talking about an issue that's been brewing up in America's beer mug , to put it lightly been going on with our Black & Brown communities vs the law enforcement in our country today. I'm sure you aware of senseless killing among my young men of my race and your local cops. when you here " Black Lives Matter", " White lives Matter", or " Brown Lives Matter? what do you really know? Is it fare to say as human beings we should value people lives because its just mutual love and respect for your neighbor, ya' feel me so far? Let me ask you my friends of M2, are you open to hear truth even if it conflicts with your views or what you been taught? If you are read on! okay you want to hear my opinion on why our black youth getting killed and the police getting now killed by black profilers? well on a higher scale black kids , men & women being targeted by the cops is that the high-archy in this world hoping to incite a " New Age Civil War" among its citizens or what I call a race riot. see once this agenda pulls off our law officers will be out numbered and they need assistance from our military. Once our military takes over then " Marshall Law" sets in . America, this not good this means our rights to bare arms is token, our constitutional rights down the toilet, and This Country really going to hell. So my " Vocal Avengers" let me hear from you. What's your voice on this controversial topic? I'm want to try something new. I want to hear from those who support local law enforcement actions & I want to from someone who against black retaliation against our men of the shields?
Let's turn it up
we'll talk soon!

Two words, BODYCAM FOOTAGE. After that it should be read on a case by case racist. I mean basis, case by case racist. It just comes out that way

I support police and citizens. I do despise that black lives matter is used by some for racist agenda against whites or police instead of a statement of the system. I also despise the mentality that disobedience or breaking any and all laws makes death excusable and acceptable.

There was an edit with a lot more on it than that but now that's not an option.... Anyway, expect some staunchly racist opposition with little to no moderation followed by the topicbeing locked.

Give him the joincampaignzero link.

If we do not have EQUAL PROTECTION of OUR RIGHTS UNDER THE RULE OF LAW, adherence to the Law by officers serving in an official capacity and professional manner of their jurisdiction, the officers have not discharged the duties of their office faithfully as sworn in their oath to PROTECT and serve ALL citizens.

If they did, would we really have war?

"Human lives matter....as long as they are part of our group, our beliefs, and only to the extent they have something to offer us that makes us feel good."


Not much.
But there's a lot of speculation and opinion.


"Fair?"
Sure.
It's fair to say we "should" value peoples lives, everyone's life.
In reality, though, no, we shouldn't.
There's always going to be a hierarchy.
Always situations where you're going to have to choose to value one more than another.

"Sorry I had to shoot you in the leg and cripple you for life, son, but you were about to shoot the intruder that was going to rape your mom and kill him. And, well, I value everyone's life equally. So it was either your crippling and low possibility of death, to their guaranteed death. And, well, we can get your mom rape counseling and make her alllll better, and thanks to Obamacare we can keep you on the iron lung for 100 years. So, you see son, I had no choice."

Let's say that happened. How do you think the family is "really" going to treat that guy?


You ever hear a saying, something like "it's laudable for sheep to venerate pacifism, but stupid when the butcher is of a different mind?"

The U.S. has just accepted a bunch of refugees from a foreign culture, asking for little to no acculturation, sent all over the U.S. willy nilly.
There are millions of illegal immigrants. Bused to states and just sent on their merry way.
Millions to billions of dollars remitted to foreign countries as illegal immigrants come to this country, take jobs avoiding the mandated minimum wage, send the money home, then go back home after years to retire. Never acculturating, never contributing, simply making money for their foreign retirement and the betterment of their family in foreign countries at everyones local expense.

Who is my neighbor? I don't know anymore. A Chinese investor through a Canadian REIT purchased the house and is renting it to god knows who.

Why should I love them? Just because they exist?
I should love the person stabbing me in the back?
How about all those pedophiles I can look up and see around the neighborhood?
If not, then there needs to be a hierarchy.
So...not all neighbors get love and mutual respect.


Are you?


Do you really envision "race riots" or " New Age Civil War" to take place in every state, every county, every city?

Do you really believe there are enough black people to really cause a nationwide war?

Black people are like 12-14% of the population. What percent are actually going to participate in violence? Insurrection? Domestic abuse? Right infringement?

At best "race riots" or "new age civil war" will affect a few major cities, where there are dense populations.

In those cities the national guard may be called up to support overwhelmed police, it's very doubtful the military would actually be called up.

Even if it were, maybe martial law would be declared only in a few cities.


I saw a recent news story noting a study that finds body cams are contributing to shootings.
When cops feel their actions are justified and they actually have proof to back up their story, they're more likely to do something.
Like shoot.

Germanchocolate1981,

you put so nicely...yes it is a racist system we live among. this system may or may not change but we can.

ms harmony,

hey may favorite vocal one, I agree I respect true law enforcement, you know that one who does there job with no racist agenda or a scary bone to shoot. the police is scare of us blacks because of our spirits. they can't read us and with a divine light we was born with the evil is nervous about our shinning light.

nice to hear...

more racist babble... blacks are treated the same as everyone else that doesn't do what the cops tell them to do...this "poor me" attitude needs to stop, all it's gunna do is lead to a race war/riots..

ciretom

hello my good vocal avenger, I got to say you nail it on the board. its too bad we live in a society where we judge each other by class, religion believes, race, and sometimes economically. far as human lives matter? to me yes. I as a citizen of the U.S. I would not have the right to take a life regardless of if I am a cop and the roles was reverse and I pulled a white motorist over im already on stand by mode I don't know this suspect, I speak to the motorist and ask get out the car, my hand on my gun, the motorist may be a little difficult because they may know there rights but me as the authority orders them out and drag them out the car. turn the car camera to the side and assault or kill the suspect. that's not justice that's pure senseless. too many of us meaning people look like me or less are targets of shoot to kill orders and guess what black kids isn't the only ones get a *** kicking from law enforcement. white kids now getting it too they just edit it out of film or cut the camera off...
so in a case like that do " Human lives matter?"

mightymoe

okay a supporter of law enforcement

I'm glad you voice that, I again support good o' fashion policing. its nothing wrong being a cop. protecting the public as well as enforcing the rules is necessary. you do your job, you proud of your accomplishments, your ranking, and support your family.

I'm totally for that.

I don't condone my people retaliating against cops as pay back. I don't support racists people using - lives matter as a shield to start a organization of hate. if I support those who do then I have to support the Klux Klux Klan.

let me break down for those who don't really know about what " Black Lives Matter" really about & got started.

" Black Lives Matter" started by at first the mothers of children of lives was toking by the hands of the police. the mothers got together and others found it to be beneficial. " Black Lives Mater" isn't racist and lets not forget its white folks also marching with the movement. you never see a black guy marching along in a Klan March...lol.

I don't think 'White Lives Matter" is racist either.

"White Lives Matter" started after the buzz of "Black Lives Matter'.
a gathering among whites that felt like there people shouldn't be murder by angry black people targeting them because there color is the same as the police that's killing us.
there organization simply saying " hey don't kill me and my loved ones because you guys retaliating against my people because we are white.

So my people both organizations aren't each other enemy, they both tired of being targets.

the only thing that BLM does thats irks me is thinking it's just blacks it happens to... bush started with the fascist police state after 911, and i was thinking the liberal obarry would at least slow it down, but he sped it up... BLM could have been a good idea, but the racists took it over and made it a hate group... but trust me when i say it happens more to white people than it does blacks, and the police are being told to keep it a police state to everyone, not just blacks...the liberal media is lying to everyone, making it a black-white thing when it's actually not...

Mightymoe,

Its funny, I had a conversation about this whole ordeal and I said the same thing, its an executive order to push this force of action like I mentioned before and I stand by it. the powers that be wants to push a domestic civil war among all of us . I totally agree with your view I mean not everybody will side with evil on both sides of the fence. there's an remedy to this nasty problem. you know how we stop this we unify. black, white, green, purple, red...ect. once we come together and put the petty beefs as side and protect our families and your neighbors family they won't have to chance and laws would have to change. It goes back to that saying" it's strength in numbers"

i don't think i could agree with you more...

Bovine feces.

Ciretom,

So then this would nullify the falsehood of cops being 'afraid to do their job' with cameras rolling, thus putting cops in more danger?

I'd like to see this study but I don't believe there is enough data just yet to determine a direct statistical correlation between the presence and use of BODYCAMS increasing the likelihood of police encounters ending in an officer involved shooting. Especially not in the case when the suspect(s) are/were persons of color.

UNLESS.......... They 1. Really just don't give a 5hit whether we live or die crime no crime armed unarmed. 2. They are so poorly trained that they can no longer persue, give chase, capture, call for backup etc. without killing someone. 3. Are so sick as we have seen video evidence in quite a few cases that they have no official reason legal penal or physical to even draw their pistol, yet they fire most often more than once into their 'target' until they know the deed is done.

It's like they are joining a club or putting notches in their battons. Sure there are knee jerk reactions and accidents like the reserve deputy that thought he pulled his tazer or the cop at the gas station but those are statistical outliers. They both immediately and repeatedly apologized and called for paramedics. That is excusable. That cant be compared to shooting someone 8 times in the back, purposely speeding up to run someone over or using illegal chokeholds until dead. We aren't talking about a shootout or an armed robbery or shooting in progress, in those circumstances lethal force may be the only option. Everybody understands that BUT many such cases end up with the gunmen surrendering being taken into custody ALIVE, tried and convicted. Every case is not the same, granted but a person running away from you with their back turned who cannot see you DOES NOT HAVE TO BE SHOT TO DEATH. They pose NO THREAT. A person surrounded by police who is trying to put his hands up AS ORDERED poses NO THREAT. A person with a tail light out or without a front license plate poses NO THREAT. 12 year old at a playground with a toy gun...


I am not at all saying that all cops are bad or all cops are racist, but it has been proven that policing for profit effects people of color more than whites in many cities not just Ferguson or Baltimore. They have a quota, they have to fill that quota for tickets, which is a CRIMINAL RACKETEERING OPERATION. You want to believe that it's fair and they're just doing their job, but if they only wrote tickets to keep the roads safe ( serve and PROTECT) they would not have a predetermined number of citations to i$$ue. These BODYCAMS can are and will be manipulated to attempt to show or not show the officers side of the story. Some cut off, are purposely obscured, don't record until turned on, and may not be released to the defendants lawyer, widow, family or even the jury let alone the public. WHY?

Why should we the people NOT be allowed to see or hear what our PEACE OFFICERS are saying and doing IN THE NAME OF THE LAW? Should we not be able to refute the story of an officer as to sequential order, nature, and severity, what or who is or is not present armed or unarmed and cite as evidence in defense the video? Or should we assume that every officer in every encounter is honest and accurate, just and fair, trustworthy and honorable in their speech action and reporting the events exactly as they occurred? Do all officers conduct their duty with integrity, act only to uphold the law IN ACCORDANCE TO THE LAW, to SERVE and PROTECT the people who pay their salary?

Take a look at some statistics of whites and minorities who have committed the same crimes. Compare the length of sentences or prison population. One of Nixon's cabinet members admitted on record that the war on drugs was a war on blacks, just recently his name is Erlichman. Of course the war grew out of the hands of police and the FBI and SBI's to the ATF DEA and god knows who else. Dwight Eisenhower warned us of the danger the Military Industrial Complex posed to the U.S., not our enemies. Now think about the patriot act the drone program, mass data collection, GPS tracking, black boxes in cars, every police car equipped with shotguns and or ar15's that used to be designated to swat teams who now have armored vehicles more suited for war than the unarmored hummers I drove IN A WAR ZONE for a year! You see nothing wrong with this? You are smart enough to see the agenda against semiautomatic rifles being attributed to everything under the sun but your everyday beat cop can make a selection from a full arsenal from pepperspray metal batons tazers stun guns pistols shotguns and assault rifles and is just a radio call away from having helicopters and bearcats and explosives fixed to ROBOTS! Eisenhower wouldn't just be rolling over in his grave he would be trying to drag it out to sea.
You think it is exclusively about race and it isn't. Yes race is a MAJOR contributing factor but essentially it is abuse of force/power/office and injustice. If a cop shoots an unarmed white person as just happened in Charlotte I am equally upset. The guy was deaf... Allegedly trying to use sign language when he was gunned down. I want justice for him and his family, in a Court of Law. I have absolute certainty this case will not have the same outcome of the Randall Kerrick mistrial where the victim who hadn't committed any crime at all but had just had a horrific accident and knocked on a door to try to get help was shot 10 times. The deaf man was followed for seven miles and was speeding and failed to pull over, and though he had technically committed a traffic violation and evaded the State Trooper who killed him (with mitigating circumstances) neither of the two had committed a crime whose severity justified use or threat of lethal force I guarantee you the more guilty speeder who evaded police will receive settlement and the officer will face a harsher penalty for his action. The other difference in these two cases in the same State (NC) have one other key difference, one was a mistake. You cannot equate one moving violation and an evasion (ignorance of the law is no excuse though any lawyer could mitigate the evasion charge) to NO CRIME with an injured person looking to neighbors police or EMT for medical attention. Not in an impartial court with an impartial judge who's intent is to decide justly based on facts and evidence. There is no retrial and will be no retrial for officer Kerrick, which means there is no motivation to see that a fair and impartial trial be conducted and decision based on the facts and evidence and result of said trial. Not for wrongful death, manslaughter, negligent homicide or murder in any degree. No violation of rights, abuse of force, and a mistrial is not a verdict of not guilty, it is no verdict, no decision, it is a lack of the Court to carry out due process and no intent to mete out any fine sentence suspension reprimand or termination. Constitution be damned. Equality be damned. Justice be damned.

Germanchocolate1981,

hi, I read your comments and you right-on the money! but let me ask you this? you as a military man, a man with rank, and your career is based on protecting our freedoms, just like true law enforcement, true military I support as well. why most of us on our toilets, playing candy crush on our smart phones , you guys over seas engaging in war for the sake of freedom and and justice. so the question I have is how do you feel personally about all if this going on?

Germanchocolate1981

keep posting my friend, I value your breaking down the visual structure of police vs black youth

Ciretom

well I though I can write alot...lol. but seriously, our country let's face it our country is ran by not governments but a secret club of elite bankers, world leaders, political high-anarchy , and masons. I give you an example, if I'm in a elite club member and I want , remember this is an example, me & my " Brotherhood" members was to pass a executive order to provoke a race war, but first we must have law enforcement kill white youths so the white folks can go against black cops and then the civil war begins. so in a nutshell, its by design. truth is to be baby stepped because some people not ready. I really was trying to stay away from mention powers that be folks don't know how to stomach that kind of truth. but believe it or not with all you wrote and mention valid points with truth I'm totally impressed...

the system was set up , not to benefit all,that helped to create a culture that treasured some lives over others,,,,thats been the historical truth in our very laws up until just the past half century

I am a child of someone STILL living who lived in that culture,,,

the changing of laws with in half century did not magically change the cultures and the socio/eco/political constructs that were the foundation of hundreds of years

I believe that mothers losing their babies have living amongst them loved ones who lived during atrocious times when the LAWS justified and/or looked away when certain lives were lost or taken

I believe many arent confident that those times wont quickly return if the system isnt constantly observed and kept in line

I believe that is why Black Lives Matter is founded,, there is much we can overcome IN SPITE of , but death is not one, it is one of the harshest consequences of a culture where certain lives are so easily disposable by the system allegedly created to protect and serve all its citizens

If white lives matter is in response, which I dont think it is, to not wanting whites to be targeted socially, thats fine,

though I can never equate the harsh words of everyday citizens with the killing of citizens with the systems approval,,,,


I see white lives matter as more nonsense to belittle and distract from black lives matter, just like all lives matter, mostly

as the system has not historically or recently supported any other philosophy than that white lives matter,,,,,,but has historically and recently encouraged the philosophy that 'all' lives do not,,,