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Topic: Homeowner Shoots, Kills Teen Burglary Suspect
msharmony's photo
Sun 10/09/16 07:53 PM
I have no idea the relevance of any of those examples

if someone is physically assaulting you,, (rape, assault) physical response is to be expected


property damage usually involves seeking money, not ending life

getting pulled over, also doesnt END A LIFE

he was a criminal, and the system prosecutes criminals according to their crime

our system does not include a death penalty for the crime of theft,,,


its undeniable he faced a consequence,, the issue is whether the consequence FIT the crime



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Sun 10/09/16 08:03 PM
but morally, I dont believe its ok to exchange a human life just to retrieve property,,,

So the native americans were in the wrong to kill people settling on their land, then?
They tried to exchange human life to make their land secure.
Okay.
If that's how you feel about it.

And Texans were in the right to keep the mexicans out because they considered texas their "HOME?"

Does property size or worth bear on anything?

why not a 'deterrent' of death for all crimes?

I would be all for that.
Of course that would naturally lead to a lot of decriminalizing of things and make the criminal justice system far more efficient.

IMO mother nature doesn't do a good enough job of keeping the population in check, so we have to do it ourselves.

Although, I'd prefer more like a lottery system where you can get a license, or enter a lottery for a license, where you can kill so many people per year but you have to show some kind of just cause. Like they cut you off in traffic, or they were just a-holes and lots of people didn't like them. It would be perfectly legal for them to defend themselves. Just like a wild bear. I may have gone off topic with that.
No people baiting. Like you can't troll and flame them on the internet and when they snap back use that as just cause.
Or dragging a dollar through a trailer park and call it theft.

if someone jaywalks,, shoot them?

No.
Just run them over with your car when they walk out into the middle of the road and not prosecute the driver.
Teach the dumbasses to use the crosswalk.
Let people crossing the street with the walk sign shoot the drivers that only look left at oncoming traffic wanting to turn right on red and nearly running over their kids crossing the street.

Keep kids from shooting up schools by allowing them to shoot at drivers going over 15 in a school zone and texting.

Put snipers on the back of firetrucks when for when people don't pull over to the right to let them pass.

if someone steals a candy bar ,,shoot them?

Yes.
But make sure it's posted somewhere on the store front.
"It's halloween season, no masks on in the store, please leave all backpacks at the front counter, and you will be shot if caught shoplifting."

if someone pushes you,, shoot them?

Yes.
But if they shoot you, you can shoot them back in self defense.
Mutually assured destruction.
Seems to have worked fine for the U.S. and Russia for so long.

the deterrent is if someone is HOME you could be killed due to being a threat

So, just sit and watch a home and every time someone leaves, just break in and do whatever you want, day after day after day.
As long as they aren't home you are basically just shoplifting.

Seems also great for stalkers. "well, I was hiding in your room planning on beating, raping, killing, and eating you (not necessarily in that order). But, I'm going to say the magic words 'I'm going to leave now, and I promise I was only here to burgle you,' so now that I'm going over to the public sidewalk, you can't shoot me anymore. neener neener neener, see you later. Literally. I'll see you later. Ha ha, can't shoot me, you weren't home, I'm on home base, and if the cops ever catch me I'll just say I was stealing something.'"

The deterrent only works if it's "don't break into other peoples homes." Not "Don't break into other peoples homes, please, but if you're going to do it, make sure they aren't home, then there's no danger to you and they can't do anything but call the police who might not show up and statistically speaking only about 13% of burglary cases actually end up in arrest."

Other than that this:
you are not threatening anyone in an EMPTY HOME

seems little different than saying "you aren't really kidnapping and raping someone if they're completely passed out when you tie them up and rape them. You can only defend yourself if you're present in your body. The deterrent is if someone is AWAKE you could be killed due to being a threat. You are not threatening anyone by having sex with someone completely unaware, EMPTY CONSCIOUSNESS."

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/09/16 08:14 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/09/16 08:15 PM
seems little different than saying "you aren't really kidnapping and raping someone if they're completely passed out when you tie them up and rape them.


LMAO


seriously? you are either in physical danger or not,, being passed out doesnt remove the physical danger

being NOT PHYSICALLY PRESENT,, does,,,


and Im sure someone exiting a window is not attempting to INVADE and TAKE ones home

so , yes, thats also quite different and irrelevant

what bears on it is the physical danger posed to ones life...

someone coming in my home while I AM PRESENT,, <physical danger

someone coming in my home when I am at dinner of a friends home,, NO PHYSICAL DANGER

Rock's photo
Sun 10/09/16 09:21 PM
One less hoodrat,
that'll be burglarizing houses tomorrow.

:thumbsup:

msharmony's photo
Sun 10/09/16 11:01 PM
Edited by msharmony on Sun 10/09/16 11:04 PM
yes, of course

yes, lets execute the hoodrats

whores

and dead beat parents

and bankers, and politicians, and lawyers and salesmen


,,all those unfavorable , people of poor judgment and character,,whose lives should therefore all be expendable

lets see the elite few left standing,,,,
,,,,,,,

isaac_dede's photo
Mon 10/10/16 12:59 AM

yes, of course

yes, lets execute the hoodrats

whores

and dead beat parents

and bankers, and politicians, and lawyers and salesmen


,,all those unfavorable , people of poor judgment and character,,whose lives should therefore all be expendable

lets see the elite few left standing,,,,
,,,,,,,



We should! But only the ones harming someone else..
either property or person.

If the whoring is consensual then no need to kill them....unless the fail to mention having aids amd ruined someone else's life....then fine

hoodrats...if caught stealing from someone's home...yep they can go too...

Salesman....no crime committed only included as a judgemental stereotypes. ...which I thought you were against. ..hmmm

same with bankers unless caught in a crime. ...if they got caught embezzling millions and screwing over their employees sure....they can go too....

lawyers another stereotype...mainly because poorer people are jealous of the money they make....forgetting the YEARS of schooling it takes to become one...but if caught taking bribes and not defending or prosecuting the people they are paid too sure take them out as well

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/10/16 07:37 AM



salesmen lie to people and rip them off for profit sake,, thats a crime in my book

trespassers too,, lets take them out,, which may be all this boy could be charged with if he indeed did not leave with anything,,,






all the rich criminals who dont get 'caught' or charged can go free and the poor folks ,,,well,,, screw them and the cost of their lives,, that tv was so much more important


haaa,, and people claim muslims are barbaric

good luck with that,,,,

Rock's photo
Mon 10/10/16 11:48 AM
Trespassing laugh


At least, he won't be a burden to
taxpayers.

:thumbsup:

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Mon 10/10/16 12:09 PM
MsH, your argument, like most other are laughable.:laughing:

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 10/10/16 12:55 PM

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/case-work/criminal-defense-articles/floridas-stand-ground-law/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

we don't know what altercation might have taken place,so,it will be up to the Florida Authorities to decide whether the Woman acted lawfully or not!

msharmony's photo
Mon 10/10/16 03:58 PM

MsH, your argument, like most other are laughable.:laughing:



no, the argument that people should be killed over any crime, is sad and disappointing....

but Im sure that my belief in human life having more value than that makes many of the barbarians laugh,,,

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Mon 10/10/16 08:35 PM


MsH, your argument, like most other are laughable.:laughing:



no, the argument that people should be killed over any crime, is sad and disappointing....

but Im sure that my belief in human life having more value than that makes many of the barbarians laugh,,,


laugh laugh laugh

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