Topic: Shutdown continues
Argo's photo
Sun 01/13/19 08:28 PM
Trump has *indicated he would sign bi-partisan bills presented
to him in the past and changed his mind ( like... DACA)
this bill should be on his desk first thing tomorrow morning, waiting for his signature, right after he dismounts his
twitter throne..

as it stands now, unless he signs this bill, non-working
furloughed employee's are not guaranteed back-pay

#KeepYourWord......#SignTheBill......#IndicateThis

hardBNhard's photo
Mon 01/14/19 06:56 AM
Heres something dingbat donald cant shut down !
The more then 6 1/2 million people that signed the petition calling for his impeachment.
Go to >>> NEEDTOIMPEACH.COM #needtoimpeach
Lets get this scumbag out of office and on his way to prison

Dodo_David's photo
Mon 01/14/19 09:34 AM

Heres something dingbat donald cant shut down !
The more then 6 1/2 million people that signed the petition calling for his impeachment.
Go to >>> NEEDTOIMPEACH.COM #needtoimpeach
Lets get this scumbag out of office and on his way to prison


That petition is meaningless.

A Congressman doesn't have to cater to the demands of people who don't live in that Congressman's district.

Also, impeachment by itself doesn't remove anyone from public office. Bill Clinton was impeached, and he still remained in the White House until his second term as POTUS ended.

hardBNhard's photo
Mon 01/14/19 09:50 AM
Its not meaningless to almost 7 million people that have signed David .
And it will tarnish the big red baffoons legacy forever . Impeachement will make him alame duck potus and help destroy his chance at a second term .

no photo
Mon 01/14/19 02:54 PM
All government workers have gotten back pay when a shutdown has occurred. Go ahead, swear up, down, sideways that some won't, but I know they do.

hardBNhard's photo
Mon 01/14/19 03:57 PM
whoa . Where did you get that from ? Faux....fox news ?rofl

BeachCruzer77's photo
Mon 01/14/19 04:12 PM

Thats a blessing. now if only banks, renters, utilities and other debtors will agree to not come after payment until whenever the shutdown ends ... but Im not holding my breath there.


only in the loony land of liberals will the banks and landlords postpone payments. Someone needs to tell queen nancy to get off her high horse and negotiate w/president Trump about securing our borders . Imagine that she could do two good things at once, protect U.S. citizens and restart the paychecks of 800, 000 employees. I'm not holding my breath though. I think this is exactly how she wants it.

hardBNhard's photo
Mon 01/14/19 04:17 PM
Protect U.S. citizens from what exactly ? what whoa

Toodygirl5's photo
Mon 01/14/19 04:36 PM
Librals haven't knowledge of what is best for their own Country , US.
Nancy P. Is a perfect example of it. She has many that agree with her on the issue of Border security. Stupid.

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Mon 01/14/19 04:42 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 01/14/19 04:45 PM


Thats a blessing. now if only banks, renters, utilities and other debtors will agree to not come after payment until whenever the shutdown ends ... but Im not holding my breath there.


only in the loony land of liberals will the banks and landlords postpone payments. Someone needs to tell queen nancy to get off her high horse and negotiate w/president Trump about securing our borders . Imagine that she could do two good things at once, protect U.S. citizens and restart the paychecks of 800, 000 employees. I'm not holding my breath though. I think this is exactly how she wants it.


or Imagine the POTUS could keep his word and not make payment about taxpayer money.

I think his tantrums are gonna cost us plenty before he leaves that office.

Its like a mom and dad arguing over their budget. Before they move to the bad neighborood, he assures mom that the landlord pays for security. They move and the landord DOES NOT Pay for security. So Dad says he wants to take a big chunk of their budget and spend it on guns. Mom says no. so dad says he will just not work or pay ANY bills until she agrees to do the 'right thing' and agree to spend that money the way he wants.

so mature.




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Mon 01/14/19 04:48 PM
Edited by hardBNhard on Mon 01/14/19 04:49 PM



Thats a blessing. now if only banks, renters, utilities and other debtors will agree to not come after payment until whenever the shutdown ends ... but Im not holding my breath there.


only in the loony land of liberals will the banks and landlords postpone payments. Someone needs to tell queen nancy to get off her high horse and negotiate w/president Trump about securing our borders . Imagine that she could do two good things at once, protect U.S. citizens and restart the paychecks of 800, 000 employees. I'm not holding my breath though. I think this is exactly how she wants it.


or Imagine the POTUS could keep his word and not make payment about taxpayer money.

I think his tantrums are gonna cost us plenty before he leaves that office.

Its like a mom and dad arguing over their budget. Before they move to the bad neighborood, he assures mom that the landlord pays for security. They move and the landord DOES NOT Pay for security. So Dad says he wants to take a big chunk of their budget and spend it on guns. Mom says no. so dad says he will just not work or pay ANY bills until she agrees to do the 'right thing' and agree to spend that money the way he wants.

so mature.





:thumbsup:

BeachCruzer77's photo
Mon 01/14/19 06:13 PM

Protect U.S. citizens from what exactly ? what whoa
Lol, from what? Man pull your head out of the liberal cloud you're seeing through and see clearly what's going on. Not all trying to cross illegally are scholars and potentates many come here to take advantage of liberal freebies and sanctuary cities to hide in while they rob and rape and kill. We've needed a barrier for years. Ask the experts securing the border now. Oh that's right queen nancy says cut the grass and well be good. What a joke.

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Mon 01/14/19 08:23 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Mon 01/14/19 08:25 PM
Bush 41: we have a border crisis.

Clinton 42: we have a border crisis.

Bush 43: we have a border crisis.

Obama 44: we have a border crisis.

HRC (candidate): we have a border crisis.

Trump: we have a border crisis. Lets build a wall and end the crisis.

Democrat's and Media: OMG, trump manufactured the boarder crisis!

FWIW, I have videos of all the presidents (Bush 41 to Obama 44 and Hillary) stating we have a boarder problem and need to limit illegal aliens. Now they are espousing open boarders. Hippocracy.

Toodygirl5's photo
Mon 01/14/19 08:47 PM
Anything to go against Trump and what he wants for this Country! Demos will try most anything to cause choas. How sad is that.

msharmony's photo
Mon 01/14/19 09:19 PM
Edited by msharmony on Mon 01/14/19 09:25 PM

Bush 41: we have a border crisis.

Clinton 42: we have a border crisis.

Bush 43: we have a border crisis.

Obama 44: we have a border crisis.

HRC (candidate): we have a border crisis.

Trump: we have a border crisis. Lets build a wall and end the crisis.

Democrat's and Media: OMG, trump manufactured the boarder crisis!

FWIW, I have videos of all the presidents (Bush 41 to Obama 44 and Hillary) stating we have a boarder problem and need to limit illegal aliens. Now they are espousing open boarders. Hippocracy.


There are problems, crisis, and emergency, totally different things:

problem: a matter or situation regarded as unwelcome or harmful and needing to be dealt with and overcome.

crisis: a time of intense difficulty, trouble, or danger.

emergency: a serious, unexpected, and often dangerous situation requiring immediate action.


let me give some analogies to further clarify the difference in these descriptions:

A teenager not doing their homework is a PROBLEM with school, you may ground them or get them a tutor.

a teenager getting all Fs is a CRISIS with school, (they are in danger of being left behind.) you may make them go to summer school.

a teenager coming home from school with a black eye everyday is an EMERGENCY with school, (requiring an IMMEDIATE action due to the danger)


I dont think any of the past presidents described the border as an EMERGENCY. I am not sure most of them even said it was a 'CRISIS.

so no, Trump has not created that there are issues at the border, he has only used his TRUTHFUL HYPERBOLE to greatly exaggerate how serious and urgent they are.

Trump quote

“The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration—and a very effective form of promotion.”

"“My leverage came from confirming an impression they were already predisposed to believe.”"


indianadave4's photo
Mon 01/14/19 10:27 PM
Edited by indianadave4 on Mon 01/14/19 10:34 PM
so no, Trump has not created that there are issues at the border, he has only used his TRUTHFUL HYPERBOLE to greatly exaggerate how serious and urgent they are.


Here’s the Reality About Illegal Immigrants in the United States

By VIVIAN YEE, KENAN DAVIS and JUGAL K. PATEL MARCH 6, 2017

There are 11 million of them, the best estimates say, laboring in American fields, atop half-built towers and in restaurant kitchens, and swelling American classrooms, detention centers and immigration courts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html

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... and the President is exaggerating? 11,000,000? Please describe how 11 million is exaggeration?

I still say the democrat's and news media are supporting open boarders because if allowed and they become citizens they will vote democratic. The democrat's and media could care less about the "poor Hispanics" as a people but only as a way to change the voting demographics of America: one way or another. This is about votes (power) not being people friendly.

Up until the night of the 2016 election liberals thought they had the USA in their back pocket. Not so, said much of the country. Allowing in millions of illegals and rewarding them with citizenship will guarantee democrat victories for more than a decade.

By then capitalism will be legislated out and socialism will be legislated in. The riots in Europe are the average citizen displaying their displeasure with socialism. Just where democrat's want to take America.

msharmony's photo
Tue 01/15/19 12:56 AM

so no, Trump has not created that there are issues at the border, he has only used his TRUTHFUL HYPERBOLE to greatly exaggerate how serious and urgent they are.


Here’s the Reality About Illegal Immigrants in the United States

By VIVIAN YEE, KENAN DAVIS and JUGAL K. PATEL MARCH 6, 2017

There are 11 million of them, the best estimates say, laboring in American fields, atop half-built towers and in restaurant kitchens, and swelling American classrooms, detention centers and immigration courts.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/03/06/us/politics/undocumented-illegal-immigrants.html

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... and the President is exaggerating? 11,000,000? Please describe how 11 million is exaggeration?

I still say the democrat's and news media are supporting open boarders because if allowed and they become citizens they will vote democratic. The democrat's and media could care less about the "poor Hispanics" as a people but only as a way to change the voting demographics of America: one way or another. This is about votes (power) not being people friendly.

Up until the night of the 2016 election liberals thought they had the USA in their back pocket. Not so, said much of the country. Allowing in millions of illegals and rewarding them with citizenship will guarantee democrat victories for more than a decade.

By then capitalism will be legislated out and socialism will be legislated in. The riots in Europe are the average citizen displaying their displeasure with socialism. Just where democrat's want to take America.


more false alarm really. Common sense says to me if illegals are scared to even ask police for help when in danger, they probably arent rushing to register to vote. They didnt sneak here to get a say in our government, but to have MONEY and resources to survive.

Not to mention, nearly half of those illegal mentioned did not COME illegally, but had visas that they overstayed.

"A Center for Migration Studies report estimates that 44 percent of those in living in the U.S. illegally in 2015 were visa overstays. That’s up from an estimated 41 percent in 2008."



also not to mention, that even with the border we ALREADY HAVE, the increase in illegals has been STEADILY declining already for the past near decade.

"There’s no official measure of how many people succeed in illegally crossing the border, but authorities use the number of apprehensions to gauge changes in illegal immigration. Apprehensions on the Southwest border peaked in 2000 at 1.64 million and have generally declined since, totaling 396,579 in 2018."




http://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/

and declaring people are here without papers is about as much of an emergency as addressing how many people are driving without 'papers' (insurance, license, etc).

To repeat the fear tactic strategy, in Trumps words:

"“My leverage came from confirming an impression they were already predisposed to believe.”"

I_love_bluegrass's photo
Tue 01/15/19 08:06 AM

Bush 41: we have a border crisis.

Clinton 42: we have a border crisis.

Bush 43: we have a border crisis.

Obama 44: we have a border crisis.

HRC (candidate): we have a border crisis.

Trump: we have a border crisis. Lets build a wall and end the crisis.

Democrat's and Media: OMG, trump manufactured the boarder crisis!

FWIW, I have videos of all the presidents (Bush 41 to Obama 44 and Hillary) stating we have a boarder problem and need to limit illegal aliens. Now they are espousing open boarders. Hippocracy.


You want hypocrisy?

How about why none of THOSE Presidents raised hell about having a wall??
Can't blame it on Democrats havng a majority..they didn't during all* that time..the Republicans had it for quite a while..so, why all of a sudden is this an emergency??

hardBNhard's photo
Tue 01/15/19 09:04 AM


Bush 41: we have a border crisis.

Clinton 42: we have a border crisis.

Bush 43: we have a border crisis.

Obama 44: we have a border crisis.

HRC (candidate): we have a border crisis.

Trump: we have a border crisis. Lets build a wall and end the crisis.

Democrat's and Media: OMG, trump manufactured the boarder crisis!

FWIW, I have videos of all the presidents (Bush 41 to Obama 44 and Hillary) stating we have a boarder problem and need to limit illegal aliens. Now they are espousing open boarders. Hippocracy.


You want hypocrisy?

How about why none of THOSE Presidents raised hell about having a wall??
Can't blame it on Democrats havng a majority..they didn't during all* that time..the Republicans had it for quite a while..so, why all of a sudden is this an emergency??


:thumbsup:
Thats why i asked "protecting citizens from what exactly"?
Still havent got a logical answer . Just more of trumps propaganda and lies .

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Tue 01/15/19 10:26 AM
contrary to what the OP would have you believe,this shutdown is ENTIRELY on Donald trump!!!!

and,unfortunately for HIM,he claimed it,and owned it on camera,so anybody who doesn't have the attention span of a goldfish wont believe his lies when he tries to pass the buck off on to somebody else,so he doesn't have to take responsibility for his actions,like he has done for his entire life.

and,he will not hesitate to continue to behave like a spoiled child throwing a temper tantrum to try to get his way,because that is what he has done for his entire life,and can not comprehend acting in any other way,no matter who else it hurts,because other people's pain does not matter to him,because he is ONLY focuses on what HE wants.

and,i guess I oan't blame trump's supporters for trying to PRETEND like the reality of this shutdown isn't entirely on the shoulders of the person that THEY elected,and want to support,at all costs,no matter WHO it hurts...

I would be too ashamed to admit it too!!!!

but,the moral of this story is...when you double down on stupidity,even when you WIN,the prize is STLL STUPIDITY!!!

[even RATS have enough common sense to leave a sinking ship!!! ]