i don't shave those everyday either.....

not even every week, no reason to. not like i'm gonna me rubbin up against smooth anything any time soon.....

kinda makes you look like a grocer......

you know we could sit here and argue this all day. you wanted a selfless act, i'm giving you one. if you choose to see it that way i guess i can't really help that.

it doesn't make me feel like a bigger man, actually quite the opposite. i feel like all i'm doing is causing harm because i know that is the eventual outcome to him. i do it because it's his right to know her, not my right to take that away even though i know whats going to happen.

you said selfless act, meaning an act with no benefit to the one performing the act.

so in order to show a selfless act you must show no benefit in any way that person.

ben·e·fit Audio Help /ˈbɛnəfɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ben-uh-fit] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, -fit·ed, -fit·ing.
–noun
1. something that is advantageous or good; an advantage: He explained the benefits of public ownership of the postal system.
2. a payment or gift, as one made to help someone or given by a benefit society, insurance company, or public agency: The company offers its employees a pension plan, free health insurance, and other benefits.
3. a theatrical performance or other public entertainment to raise money for a charitable organization or cause.
4. Archaic. an act of kindness; good deed; benefaction.
–verb (used with object)
5. to do good to; be of service to: a health program to benefit everyone.
–verb (used without object)
6. to derive benefit or advantage; profit; make improvement: He has never benefited from all that experience.
—Idiom
7. for someone's benefit, so as to produce a desired effect in another's mind: He wasn't really angry; that was just an act for his girlfriend's benefit.


ok now with that out of the way. how does my son having the right to know his mother and make his own decisions relate to me gaining in anything?

1. i have no advantage over him nor her for doing so....
2. i get no payment or gift from either for doing this...
3. i'm not performing in public or in a theatrical production...
4. i'm serving no act of kindness nor good deed towards myself by doing so...
5. i'm not doing good or being of service to myself...
6. i'm receiving no advantage, profit or improvement to myself...
7. i'm producing any desired effect in my mind by doing so...


yeah i see no benefits for myself here, i see benefits for him and for her. i'm not getting any. you say there are no selfless acts or people who do the right thing simply cuz it's the right thing to do regardless of how they feel about it. i show you at least one. i don't feel good about myself for doing it, i certainly get no satisfaction from it. no benefit at all, it just is simply the right thing to do.

good reply, no evidence of anything. how does it? i'm not gaining anything here. i have responcibility towards teaching him, thats not a benefit.

maybe we need to look at what a benefit is here.....

ok so your saying by me having nothing to do with her, and i mean nothing. i don't speak about her at all to anyone. our whole relationship now is me dropping him off and asking what time i pick him up. i don't insult her, i don't rag on her. yeah i know eventually she'll screw it up like she does with every other relationship she has with anybody. but no i make it a point not to say anything about her, i want him to learn what she's like on her own.

so once again, how do i benefit here?

emotionally?..... nope
monetarily?...... nope
physically?...... nope

sorry i just don't see it....

i hate it when people start a debate like this and walk away with out even providing any sort of proof for their arguments.

i suppose i'm not getting an answer....

more like a tugboat......

i don't see how me teaching him right from wrong benefits me at all.

frankly i want her gone. i could take full custody with no problems and i really want to. i also know i'm not doing right by him, eventually she'll walk out on him again, he'll learn what kind of person she is and he'll end up not liking her as well.

i really wanna know how i'm benefiting.....

well yeah that goes without saying......

ok, i'll answer this one honestly since you seem to think everybody is out for themselves in sort of way....

i deal with my ex so my son can still have his mother at least what little mother he has. i get nothing from her in any way shape or form. i collect no child support, we don't speak, we're not friendly to each other, i have absolutely no use for her in any way shape or form. we fight constantly, we have nothing nice to say to each other, i have to deal with seeing the woman who cheated on me and walked out on her family for a weekend peice of ass. she see's him strictly because he has a right to know his mother.

what do i gain from this situation? i do it only for him...

whenever a woman has sex with me, it's a selfless act.........

night vision........

i'm filming a new stag film.....

girls gone sleeping......

ok i'll stop by with the video camera in about an hour or so......

first you stop putting them in your mouth
second you stop lighting them
third stop sucking on them

done....