I also believe christians often judge behaviors and not the people participating in them, but that the two get confused quite often

just as atheists judge the 'sensibleness' of a belief and not the person believing it,,,,

I dont know a quantifiable way to tell how much of those types of judgments exist within one group or the other, I just know both do it and I dont personally think one does it more or less than the other

I just think MOST people believe what they believe and believe it to be 'sensible', thus believing those who differ as being less sensible,,,,...

ie judging,,,,


I do feel its sad for anyone to not be able to seperate actions from people who commit them as none of us are perfect and do the right or good thing EACH TIME

I think often when christians speak out against HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE, its equated with being less than nice to homosexuals

and often when atheist speak out against how irrational they believe certain christian claims to be, its equated with being less than tolerant or nice to christians


,,it happens across the board, you hear about it more from christians because they gather in ORGANIZED groups which are easily observable,, where as atheists are much less likely to have such organization or publicity or visibility

,,,just my two cents,, I feel persecuted and judged daily for what I believe as a christian, and it would be nice to see some upstanding atheists unite to apologize at a christian event for how some in their group have managed to do that,,,,

its very nice to see that kind of warmth

maybe atheists may show up to some tent revivals with apologetic signs about how some of them judge christians,,,,


it will be progress in uniting all imperfect people

I do like the phrase

"Id call evil, good and good, evil."

sounds like advice from a great book I read,,,,,

the history of the justice system leaves me confident that is exactly what will happen,, without need for a sharpton or a jackson ,,,,,,,

I will wait on the evidence.

If I thought I lost someone, the threat has passed, what would I call police for then? and in my experience and many other peoples (no doubt Treyvons, being from the hood) the police are hardly gonna come out for some paranoid claim that Im suspicious of someone who happens to be behind me in a public place,,,(unless they are familiar with you already and you are a magistrates son.)

Zimmerman was not FAT, even when being taken into the police station he doesnt appear anything like FAT to me. He wouldnt be someone I would want to tussle with as a woman. It is yet to be seen if Treyvon chose the confrontation,,,

He had lost Trayvon at that point, by his own admission on the 911 call. Why didn't Trayvon simply go home? Why did Trayvon come up to Zimmerman and attack him? Why do you give him a pass on his illegal assault of Zimmerman, but are outraged by Zimmerman legally following Trayvon

because this seems like a BS story,,,,basically

Z had the frame of mind of someone making sure a messed up AHOLE didnt get away

M seemed to have the mind of someone trying to get rid of their pursuer

how, why, or when,, within one minute of hanging up from dispatchers,
Z would have changed his frame of mind and simply 'given' up to return to his car,, and at the same time M would have changed his frame of mind of 'getting rid' of his pursuer to follow him and confront him,,,,,, will most likely never be explained adequately enough for most people

Z was the pursuer, M was trying to retreat, Z ended up shooting M,,claiming at some point M pursued AND attacked him after trying several times to lose him instead,,,,fishy story, and I will wait for what the evidence shows,,,,


I dont give anyone a 'pass' in this, I dont know that M did anything but try to talk on the phone with his girl and get rid of some creep following him around. I was outraged that someone shot a kid that was unarmed and there was almost NOTHING done about it. i was outraged that someone within a couple hours of such an incident was released without charge. I was outraged that such a hyper paranoid adult was permitted to carry a weapon after THREE violence related incidents in his police record, one involving violence against a COP.


Im no longer outraged because this boys death is being taken more seriously than just chalking it up as a 'thug' getting what they deserved because they had written on their locker and had marijuana residue on them at school,,,,,and because there were black teens committing robberies in the area. That shouldnt give people open season on all black teens there, who just by that similarity will be considered 'suspicious'.

and the thousands of women killed by their spouses each year dont get AS MUCH attention as OJ did,,,,

but news cant be expected to cover every story happening every where at every moment,,,,

its news worthy, its on the local news ALL the time in the areas it happens,,,,

its not a NATIONAL story because crime is not unusual and same race crime is the LEAST unusual of all,,,

well , lets see,, he was ON his way to the store but he decided on the way to WATCH this person while in his car,,,,,

so the boy changed direction and went the opposite way and in response this man EXITED the car to continue following him but (by his own words) lost sight when the boy RAN AWAY

so THEN the man follows him again ,,,,,,,thats pretty excessive to me

if I were walking and some man did this to me,, I would feel quite concerned about his intentions,,,,

and if he was disgusted that he might get away, why wouldnt he DO WHAT HE COULD to see that didnt happen , up to and including following, confronting, and trying to detain the 'suspicious' male...?

its not the motivation that caused the support and uproar it was the ABSENCE of action on the crime,,,,,

absolutely,,,its sad really,,,,

am I taking CRAZY PILLS? seriously

let me repost the significant difference once more


An black 18-year-old suspected of a violent attack on a white teen told Chicago police the beating was motivated by his anger over the Trayvon Martin case in Florida, MyFoxChicago reports.

Alton Hayes III was charged with a hate crime after he and a 15-year-old attacked the 19-year-old man at about 1:00 a.m. on April 17 in Oak Park, a Chicago suburb.

...ASSUMING he was just charged today,,,

the person is not DEAD
and the charge took all of nine days to bring forth,,,,


REPEAT,,, noone was KILLED
and someone was held ACCOUNTABLE for the harm that was done rather expediently,,,

yep, and they dont wait for you to drive or have kids to pay those taxes that go to roads and schools, ,,,just dont pay your taxes and go to jail,,,,!!

stories evaporate and get replaced with new ones as the 'natural' cycle of media,, nothing to do with racial heritage

anymore than the jobs he has held or the privileges he has been given had to do with his (unknown and unassumed)'racial heritage'

I grant that following someone 'suspicious' doesnt make him guilty,

but following him excessively,(even after he had run in another direction) while calling him names, and expressing disgust that he might 'get away',,,does make him look 'suspicious' himself,,

thats a good start,, we have to cut back on what we do for others until we are able to get ourself more stable

huh

what did I say about high school?

be specific about what you think Im not saying,,,,,

no character trait has been successfully and completely excluded from any walk of life,,,be they good traits or bad, you can find them amongst people everywhere, and in every profession,,

sad that we dont evolve a bit quicker though

Dershowitz said she was obligated to include any and all pertinent evidence.

Im not sure what law this person studied or what documents he was privy to being not on the case, but this is BLATANTLY false in regards to bringing charges

'all' the evidence does not have to be included in the initial filing,,

I am confident an actual CURRENT PROSECUTOR AND JUDGE are aware of the mandates,,,,,law professor or not,,

Alton Hayes III was CHARGED with a hate crime after he and a 15-year-old attacked the 19-year-old man at about 1:00 a.m. on April 17 in Oak Park, a Chicago suburb.

...you really cant see the significant difference here...?

the system is following through as it should,, what other involvement is needed?

who cares about his great grandfather, Im sure his dad put on all his documents as a child that he is 'black'
,,,,,,


IM sure the police saw him and thought he was 'black'

the father didnt mention this 'black' heritage either


and it wouldnt change the details of a grown man stalking a kid and ending up causing his death with almost no real investigation into it,if the public had not kept attention on it,,,,