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Put it this way the youth from the Miami area are all pretty much rough, criminals in gangs. Treyvon had recently relocated from that area. Actually, I take that back most of the kids in Florida are pretty tough, rough, and dangerous (race has nothing to do with it either). Im not sure of the point of this statement.....?? was Zimmerman aware that Treyvon had transplanted from Miami? are ALL youth truly violent in the whole state of Florida? I find that quite hard to beleive,,,, I didn't say all......ISAID MOST......and you find everything hard to believe.......live in it first I dont find it hard to believe that many children in Florida are violent, numerically speaking, that seems logical Most or All,, not as logical,,,,, |
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Edited by
msharmony
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No the gun wasn't the problem.......a person in a place doing something that seems suspicious is a problem......carrying the gun in a peaceful situation is a problem(which wasn't the case)......following someone you were told not to for safety reasons is a problem......one attacking another is a problem.....I do not see where the gun did anything wrong in this situation.....did it load itself? did it pull its own trigger.....a gun is an inanimate object until an individual activates it......he protected himself from an attack....its very sad he was attacked....but let us think that a person would be dead in this situation period even if he hadn't had the gun and that would be a shame too......there are all sorts of problems with this story.......bet it wouldn't have as much media attention if Zimmerman was dead from head wounds from Treyvon beating him to death now would it?? nope, hand to hand gives people a bit more of a chance, and it would be a clearer case of 'excessive' force because an expectation of retreat would be reasonable,,,, a gun in unstable hands is as unwise as a gun in untrained hands |
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Topic:
Religion is Child Abuse?
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what else is there to cover?
people have outlooks and perceptions which lead to philosophy... philosophy can encourage unhealthy behaviors and foster abuse depending upon how extreme religion covers a WIDE span of beliefs that can range from loving your neighbor to an eye for an eye patriotism covers a wide span of beliefs that can range form loving your country, to killing to protect the constitution,,,, but I would not stretch that to say patriotism is abuse,,,,its more about the person and how they teach any philosophy to others ,,whether the philosophy is religious or wordly in its nature,,, |
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Just goes to show, it's not Al Sharpton or any other mobs decision or choice. Once again, the Justice System has once again worked. I agree, lets see what the investigation continues to turn up,,,,and what happens from there,,,, It's a Done Deal. dont bet on it they didnt use a grand jury for OJ either,,,its not an absolute,,, Where is O.J now? look in Nevada. when Obama leaves office There will be a Pardon for him. what? OJ is serving a ridiculous sentence for a ridiculous offense to punish him for not receiving the verdict the authorities wanted him to receive in his first trial there wont be a pardon,,,they worked too hard to get him where he is,,,, Robbery is a ridiculous offense?!?!?!?! when the items are yours,, yep.... If the items were his , why did he use a gun instead of the law to get them? The authorities that you speak of, would they be white authorities in your mind? 
they would be any shade that feels above the law in how they 'get their man' |
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Just goes to show, it's not Al Sharpton or any other mobs decision or choice. Once again, the Justice System has once again worked. I agree, lets see what the investigation continues to turn up,,,,and what happens from there,,,, It's a Done Deal. dont bet on it they didnt use a grand jury for OJ either,,,its not an absolute,,, Where is O.J now? look in Nevada. when Obama leaves office There will be a Pardon for him. what? OJ is serving a ridiculous sentence for a ridiculous offense to punish him for not receiving the verdict the authorities wanted him to receive in his first trial there wont be a pardon,,,they worked too hard to get him where he is,,,, Robbery is a ridiculous offense?!?!?!?! when the items are yours,, yep.... If the items were his , why did he use a gun instead of the law to get them? The authorities that you speak of, would they be white authorities in your mind?
HE didnt use a gun the people who rolled on him and got deals, and told him about the items and took him to where they were,, are the ones who actually had weapons,,,, |
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Topic:
Religion is Child Abuse?
Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 04/10/12 12:56 AM
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Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation A correlation proves its worth talking about though. I know my arguments are flawed, im not the sharpest tool in the box. This should only help those that disagree with me. It is very possible to prove me wrong in many things, and i am also willing to be proved wrong. Whether or not i am wrong on this subject, it is right to talk about it, and wrong to dismiss it. Very wrong. how many comments should be made for it to not be 'dismissed' if there just isnt much else to say about it,,,what then? |
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Topic:
Religion is Child Abuse?
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Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation A correlation proves its worth talking about though. I know my arguments are flawed, im not the sharpest tool in the box. This should only help those that disagree with me. It is very possible to prove me wrong in many things, and i am also willing to be proved wrong. Whether or not i am wrong on this subject, it is right to talk about it, and wrong to dismiss it. Very wrong. |
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Topic:
Religion is Child Abuse?
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Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, If the assumption is flawed, then it should be discussed properly how it is flawed, rather than not discussed at all. And we dont always know the reasons why people arent talking about something you are right. Im not condemning anyone by name, people know themselves if they are uninterested or unwilling. Of course it is always people that do the abusing. But there is most definately a lot of abuse done in the name of religion. So its basically the same thing. it is flawed to say that because A happens often when B is present , then B and A are the same thing a correlation does not prove a causation |
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Topic:
Religion is Child Abuse?
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Its not a pointless conversation. How could talking about how not to abuse kids be pointless? It isnt a baseless conversation because there are valid points which should be discussed. If people arent interested in talking about it, then that is fine. It is the people that are unwilling to talk about it, that i condemn. Some kids are without doubt being abused by religion. You cannot disagree(If you do, please let us never bother to talk again). So it must therefore be a valid topic to discuss. its pointless because its founded on a flawed assumption that the ABUSE is directly caused by RELIGION and when people arent talking about it,, how do we know if its because they are uninterested or unwilling,, whats the difference? children are abused by ABUSIVE people, not by religion religion becomes the scapegoat, but a religion cant kill,, killing involves HUMAN ACTION, which involves HUMAN CHOICE,,,, |
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excellent,,
I find imbalance is at the root of everything negative in our lives,,, |
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Topic:
The Stand Your Ground Case
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Let's review, it's Florida it wasn't cold and that is why senior citizens go there during the winter. It didn't warrant wearing a hooded sweatshirt with the hood up to conceal your identity in a store(which is never warranted btw). NICE TRY,, why is he heard saying its cold on the tape then? Florida does get cold at night,,,,it doesnt stay hot 24/7 365,,,,,travel a bit,,,, No, it is pretty warm there around the clock, much like Vegas. But you will whatever you can to defend the PUNK. Pah. Wishful thinking on your part. As per the 911 tape... Zimmerman stated it was raining... ergo Hoody UP. I would like to see this tried in a court of law. I will not convict either man... Nor will I stand by and say nothing when twisted facts are relayed. Those tropical rains are just so cold........... 
still no answer on why Zimmerman was wearing a HEAVY JACKET,,,much heavier than what a hoody is,,,,,???? Yes, we will probably never know everything. 
no, but we can make logical conclusions if someone was wearing a heavy coat and taped saying 'its cold' and the average nighttime low in that ragion at that time is in the mid fifties to sixties ,,,it was probably cold enough for a hoody,,, and if that fails, there is generally a weather forecast that can be recalled and reviewed, to help with that particular knowledge It get's a lot colder here then they could ever dream of and I have NEVER wore a hood up on a hoodie......... still not sure why these posts are stated so matter of factly simple research of the two areas and their climates is all it would take to refute the notion that its never colder in florida than in nevada, or that there is not hoody weather in either place hoodies are not HEAVY material, they hust have hoods and ZIMMERMAN himself is seen on tape wearing a HEAVY jacket so the very claim that Florida is not ever cold enough for a hoodie must come from intellectual dishonesty or plain ignorance,,,, Hoodies with hoods up are what gang members and PUNKS do and wear to try to be hard a$$e$. just the type of philosophy I dont want coupled with somoene bearing a weapon,,,,, teens of all ages and backgrounds wear hoodies, because they are a fashion trend,,,,, |
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Just goes to show, it's not Al Sharpton or any other mobs decision or choice. Once again, the Justice System has once again worked. I agree, lets see what the investigation continues to turn up,,,,and what happens from there,,,, It's a Done Deal. dont bet on it they didnt use a grand jury for OJ either,,,its not an absolute,,, Where is O.J now? look in Nevada. when Obama leaves office There will be a Pardon for him. what? OJ is serving a ridiculous sentence for a ridiculous offense to punish him for not receiving the verdict the authorities wanted him to receive in his first trial there wont be a pardon,,,they worked too hard to get him where he is,,,, Robbery is a ridiculous offense?!?!?!?! when the items are yours,, yep.... |
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Topic:
Religion is Child Abuse?
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I was hoping that more people were going to come forward to argue how religion doesnt abuse kids. Maybe people know deep down that it does? or maybe its just too ridiculous for most others to address and six pages is really fairly long for such a topic I dont know if I posted 'hoodies kill children',, if it would last six pages,,, When kids are without question being raised to martyr themselves by blowing themselves up and killing others, you cannot disagree that religion abuses children. This is of course a more obvious way it happens. I believe it happens in many less obvious ways too. If there were only a remote possibility that kids are being abused, in any kind of way, then it is only proper to talk through the subject properly, no? It is ridiculous not to discuss the subject. And it is ridiculous to say that 'hoodies kill children' is a comparable subject. People unwilling to talk about this subject, even if i turned out to be completely wrong, are basically condoning the abuse of kids, because it is undeniable that there are questions that need to be asked. so now, disinterest in pointless and baseless conversations is 'condoning' abuse? wow,,, the leap to blame abuse on a philosophy as diverse as 'religion' or items of clothing, is just too ridiculous a stretch for many to consider that doesnt mean they 'condone' actual abuse,, |
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I am so pissed off at the media for blowing this out of proportion and lying and doctoring evidence. They for one deserve criminal charges. Secondly people on neighborhood watches are supposed to be trained by police what they can and cannot do. I am pretty sure Zimmerman received no such training. One big Question is why Treyvon didn't call the police himself. He had a cell phone. He could have said, "Hey, I am being followed." Next the police response was so WRONG! They began to handle this like Firemen and it took a little time for them to get their act together. I feel this was a perfect storm of stupidity that led to a tragic misunderstanding. But some things many choose to overlook, Treyvon was no saint. There is a chance he tried to get all Macho on someone and he may have tried to handle things on his own. That cost him if he made the decision to try to be the man in this situation. If I had a gun following someone who was acting suspicious and that someone punched me chances are I would shoot them and unload the entire magazine into them. But I know all I am allowed to do is follow and observe and avoid contact if at all possible. All I am there for is to make sure the police know what they are getting into and let them do their job UNLESS LIFE IS INDEED ON THE LINE. Now all the parents want if revenge even if the facts do come out against them. It will be like Rodney King all over again and those Ghetto Trolls the Reverend Al Sharpton and the Reverend Jessie Jackson are spewing their hate speak and whipping the black community up into a frenzy. No outreach to protect others from this mistake happening again. No trying to make the community a better place by trying to resolve this issue properly. Just two racist priests, a hoard of Attorneys, and a lot of hate. Yep, this is going to prevent more stupidity from happening, maybe in backwards land. I've been saying this from day one. Martin was trying to be a hard a$$ PUNK. He could have dialed 9-1-1, gone to the nearest house and asked for help or business. help me understand why the kid is the 'punk'? he changed directions, he RAN the other way,,,but because he didnt do even more to lose the pursuit of some stranger,, that makes HIM the punk? |
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That's because this case against Zimmerman is beginning to unravel and the truth is starting to surface. He will be cleared of this then there will be riots in Florida. or, a grand jury was just not needed to make the decision,,,, However from what I know about this case it will not be shocking when they find it justified, in fact the only reason I could see it going to trial would because its election year. October is the month to look for, if they do not start the proceedings prior to that then its not going to court at all. it is true it wont be shocking to be found justified however, a reason it could go to trial is if there is reasonable suspicion that the denfendant has created the circumstances of the death by his own wrongful conduct, which would negate his right to invoke a self defense,, defense which could very EASILY be the case here,,, thats what i'm thinking here... zimmermans actions, whether attacked or not, is the whole point here... he should have never approached the kid, and the kid would still be alive if he hadn't... The PUNK approached Zimmerman as he was getting back in his car and asked if he had a problem and when Zimmerman stated no then the PUNK said you do now and proceeded to start a fight with Zimmerman. that is Zimmermans account, but it hasnt been proven and its just not the likeliest scenario,,,, sounds like something he saw on a movie and decided to repeat as his story,,, |
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Topic:
Religion is Child Abuse?
Edited by
msharmony
on
Mon 04/09/12 11:45 PM
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I was hoping that more people were going to come forward to argue how religion doesnt abuse kids. Maybe people know deep down that it does? or maybe its just too ridiculous for most others to address and six pages is really fairly long for such a topic I dont know if I posted 'hoodies kill children',, if it would last six pages,,, |
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it seems the boy at least TRIED to avoid the man
and there is no evidence the man did the same,,,,, So in the 911 tape when the dispatcher said we don't need you to follow him and Zimmerman said "OK" That doesnt sound like Zimmerman stopped? if zimmerman had stopped, the boy would still be alive... Not necessarily. The punk wanted a confrontation and got more than he bargained for. Justice is being served. The prosecution and defense know the case is weak. I wish someone would come down hard on those howler panthers for putting out an 'ILLEGAL' hit on a still innocent man. huh... i didn't know you were there... maybe you should give a deposition as to what you saw... GZ needs your help! How do you know for sure the punk didn't want the confrontation? How would you know the punk would not have pursued a confrontation? the EVIDENCE, from Zimmermans mouth, is that the 'punk' retreated TWICE,,,, how do you know the pursuer who was pissed that the aholes 'get away' would not have pursued a confontation? |
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Msharmony, can you give it a rest? Or is there some hatred in you that can't forgive? What is that hate? God bless you and forgive all of us for any imperfection that we have. We must love each other. lol whom do I hate? more of that double standard? retreat after retreat that ends in death must mean the RETREATER suddenly decided he 'wanted' a confrontation and the pursuer is just the innocent victim? opinion after opinion about Zimmermans innocence, but someone thinks he is likely to be guilty and they must be hateful? interesting,,, |
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Just goes to show, it's not Al Sharpton or any other mobs decision or choice. Once again, the Justice System has once again worked. I agree, lets see what the investigation continues to turn up,,,,and what happens from there,,,, It's a Done Deal. dont bet on it they didnt use a grand jury for OJ either,,,its not an absolute,,, Where is O.J now? look in Nevada. when Obama leaves office There will be a Pardon for him. what? OJ is serving a ridiculous sentence for a ridiculous offense to punish him for not receiving the verdict the authorities wanted him to receive in his first trial there wont be a pardon,,,they worked too hard to get him where he is,,,, |
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Topic:
Sharpton Re- negs
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can we say
'photoshop'?..... |
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