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Where is the media on this?
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doesnt matter
let it go to court, figure out who was the AGGRESSOR and who was 'defending' themself |
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Where is the media on this?
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msharmony
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Tue 03/27/12 01:03 PM
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one person has a gun, one person doesnt
Its ongoing, but with no new facts its self defense.
there needs to be an investigation,,,, Its pretty hard to imagine what facts could come out that would change that based on the assault that clearly was taking place. there was a fight clearly taking place, but who was in the wrong is up for dispute it takes two to fight, but either both are right or both are wrong,,otherwise some determination must be made somehow about the REASONABLENESS of the actions leading up to and during the confrontation,,, as well as the honesty or dishonesty of the 'victim' giving the account,,, |
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Cheney had heart transplant
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I cant begrudge people getting necessary medical care. I hope he has a speedy recovery.
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The Stand Your Ground Case
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Im not sure which 'news' reports to take seriously because few of them have to actually VALIDATE their information before they print it and many just regurgitate what other news sources are reporting
as to the investigation into the cell phone laying beside the dead boy,,,,,,im sure they were gonna get around to it,,,,, 
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Where is the media on this?
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yes, we have a court system to prove guilt, however guilt doesnt have to be 'proven' to arrest
No but they do need probable cause to arrest. You can't just say he's guilty and arrest him. I know that's hard to comprehend because you have already found Zimmermann guilty. probable cause could be one unarmed person dead on the street and another having the gun which shot him,,,, just saying My opinion is anyone who does that is dishonest. I guess we can cherry pick which witnesses account you choose to be valid considering Several witnesses not all saying the same thing,,, I guess I would side with law enforcement. If they had enough they would arrest him. I'm pretty sure they have more information then the media is letting on. No one is unarmed. So what if Zimmerman had a gun. Did he pull it and threaten Martins life with it? What I he still had it holstered and concealed and Martin didn't know he was carrying, but during the altercation Martin saw the gun and went for it but Zimmerman got to it first? one person has a gun, one person doesnt there needs to be an investigation,,,, |
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Where is the media on this?
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so all witnesses , so far, can validate is that the two were in a fight,,,,, Your ignoring the guy who saw the fight. He is the key witness who puts it all together.
Without someone who can call into question Zimmerman's statement on how the fight started then there really is no case. Regarding racism, speak for yourself, I am not racist. I grew up with an adopted Vietnamese brother in a bad neighborhood with more people who did not look like me, than did. allegedly, no 911 tape released to validate he actually saw it or reported it that night,,, there is someone who can call into question the word of a shooter that the dead person 'started it',,,(so to speak)... the POLICE INVESTIGATION, and the parents and friends who know the deceased |
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Where is the media on this?
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yes, we have a court system to prove guilt, however guilt doesnt have to be 'proven' to arrest
No but they do need probable cause to arrest. You can't just say he's guilty and arrest him. I know that's hard to comprehend because you have already found Zimmermann guilty. probable cause could be one unarmed person dead on the street and another having the gun which shot him,,,, just saying My opinion is anyone who does that is dishonest. None of this matters, becuase racism is in the mind, and minds dont have color. racism is ingrained in the culture and the history,,,this is true,,, What would? Yes, but I consider myself a recovering racist racism is like overweight, there are various DEGREES,,,,, some are subconscious and some are blatant and intentional but MOST americans are,, in my opinion |
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Where is the media on this?
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yes, we have a court system to prove guilt, however guilt doesnt have to be 'proven' to arrest
No but they do need probable cause to arrest. You can't just say he's guilty and arrest him. I know that's hard to comprehend because you have already found Zimmermann guilty. probable cause could be one unarmed person dead on the street and another having the gun which shot him,,,, just saying My opinion is anyone who does that is dishonest. I guess we can cherry pick which witnesses account you choose to be valid considering Several witnesses not all saying the same thing,,, Later Mary Cruther decided she heard Trayvon crying, except she doesn't know him . .. at all. She wouldn't know his voice from Zimmerman's, so does that really amount to a witness? No its someone who is emotionally involved with the case trying to reach conclusions she cannot rationally make (sounds familiar). The little boy who was walking the dog, well his statement also backs up Zimmerman's account. Later he decided it was Trayvon crying . . . yea guess what, he didn't know Trayvon either . . . None of this amounts to what you want it to. this is conjecture the statements are that there was a FIGHT the statements have various(inconsistent) accounts of what clothes the attacker was wearing the woman hearing someone crying is evidence but not of WHO was crying, just that someone was crying the little boy verified someone was crying and someone was laying on the ground WHO WAS CRYING or WHO WAS LAYING on the ground was not verified by the little boy either so they verify there was a physical altercation but not that it STARTED as he claimed,,,, so all witnesses , so far, can validate is that the two were in a fight,,,,, |
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Where is the media on this?
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yes, we have a court system to prove guilt, however guilt doesnt have to be 'proven' to arrest
No but they do need probable cause to arrest. You can't just say he's guilty and arrest him. I know that's hard to comprehend because you have already found Zimmermann guilty. probable cause could be one unarmed person dead on the street and another having the gun which shot him,,,, just saying My opinion is anyone who does that is dishonest. I guess we can cherry pick which witnesses account you choose to be valid considering Several witnesses not all saying the same thing,,, |
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Where is the media on this?
Edited by
msharmony
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Tue 03/27/12 11:58 AM
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yes, we have a court system to prove guilt, however guilt doesnt have to be 'proven' to arrest
No but they do need probable cause to arrest. You can't just say he's guilty and arrest him. I know that's hard to comprehend because you have already found Zimmermann guilty. probable cause could be one unarmed person dead on the street and another having the gun which shot him,,,, just saying |
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Where is the media on this?
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None of this matters, becuase racism is in the mind, and minds dont have color. racism is ingrained in the culture and the history,,,this is true,,, |
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and people wonder why us nuts rail on and on about why individual liberty and right to privacy is so important.. No doubt!
But if a potential employer asked for it, Id ask for the companies profile password, and when they said the company didn't have one id say, hey whadya know . . . neither do I. 
now THATS funny 
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If a prospective employer asked for your bank account numbers, to check your balances, would you give them? Ridiculous. It seems more to me it is about the havers and the have not'ers. Those with jobs are free to discriminate and use whatever tools are at hand. Those without are at their mercy. exactly, another way for employers to make a list of 'outsiders' |
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Where is the media on this?
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it's only when white's kill blacks, not when a black kills whites... i think i do see a pattern... That's not true. With the Martin case, Zimmerman is Hispanic. But for some reason the media and the likes of Al Sharpton And Jesse Jackson have made up a completely new race of "white Hispanic" Just trying to divide the country further. And Obama making a statement that he did just goes along with the divide. its not made up,, his mother is WHITE, his dad is hispanic,,,, ah... so you agree with someone calling Obama a white african.. I knew you would come around.. it wouldnt seem as logical to me asthetically but it wouldnt exactly raise my blood pressure either in Zimmermans case, he could be white or hispanic harder to make the grasp asthetically that Barack Obama is a white man if you saw him at a crime scene,,,,just saying its not made up,, his mother is WHITE, his dad is hispanic,,,, I don't see aesthetics being applied to this quote I replied to.. Based on this a white mother and an african father would be considered a white african.. the officers arrived and saw a white hispanic,, not likely they would have thought him to be black or black hispanic if officers arrived at a scene with obama, its not likely they would have cause to believe he was a 'white' anything,,,, |
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Where is the media on this?
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what makes MArtin stand out is that the person who is DEAD is not receiving the same benefit of the doubt that he was KILLED,,,and the killer is given the benefit of being a 'victim'
what makes MArtin stand out is he was not armed and the killer was,,, ,, its a HUGE Difference between cases where people have been killed and they are looking for 'suspects' Innocent until proven guilty. Is this not still being investigated? I don't see Zimmerman being givin the benifits of the doubt. If the investigators had enough to charge him with they would. With all the media and people demanding justice, a million dollar bounty being placed on Zimmerman doesn't help the investigation. All it does is hamper it. And taint the witnesses. yes, we have a court system to prove guilt, however guilt doesnt have to be 'proven' to arrest or else we wouldnt need courts,,,,, |
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Where is the media on this?
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it's only when white's kill blacks, not when a black kills whites... i think i do see a pattern... justice statistics dont quite back that up,,,, really? how come i never hear of a black man charged with a hate crime? I dont know, maybe because they are only 18 percent of hate crime offenders,,,,, and victims can probably be assured of prosecution,,,, |
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Men and women who work for the Pagan news media and lie for a living have not gotten around to Minchin that Zimmerman had a broken nose and a wound on the back of the head. well, they have not released any INFORMATION confirming that he did,,,although I guess they can always speculate,,,, Speculation is happening on both sides. The media is feeding the frenzy of the justice now crowd while he investigation isn't complete. Instead of jumping to conclusions why don't people lay off and let the police finish the investigation. All the speculating will do nothing but taint peoples views who could potentially be witnesses. this is what media does, shine a light, especially when people come together to insist upon it,,,, the speculation is annoying, but a price worth it to ensure a thorough investgation and serious consideration is given to this situation. |
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Where is the media on this?
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Here’s a story you won’t hear about in the mainstream media. Bob Strait, 90 a veteran of the 101st Airborne, was married to his wife Nancy, 85, for 65 years. A few days ago, their home in Tulsa, Oklahoma was invaded by Tyrone Dale David Woodfork, 20, a black thug armed with a BB gun. Tyrone beat the aged couple and raped Nancy to death. Tyrone Dale David Woodfork Our post-racial President has made no statement about this outrage. And except for the local media in Oklahoma, no one has noticed. Instead, all the self-righteous attention is on black victim Trayvon Martin, and the demonized George Zimmerman, described by the NY Times as a “white Hispanic” a racial classification of which I have never heard, but leave it to liberals to out-Nazi the Nuremberg Laws. George Zimmerman will be charged with a hate crime. Again, leave it to liberals to invent a victim hierarchy based on race. Let me state the obvious: The Straits are not the victims of a hate crime, they don’t even exist and count for nothing in the cynical calculus that animates the mainstream media and the politicians who feed on politically correct corpses. As for President Obama, you can be sure he does not imagine Bob or Nancy Strait as his parents. http://www.seraphicpress.com/does-obama-imagine-bob-and-nancy-strait-as-his-parents/ the difference here is that the assailants were IN SOMEONES HOME(private property), and the victims SURVIVED and had they not survived, I think dna evidence in the house showing people that didnt have any right in the house were there, along with what is probably a criminal record,,,,would convict and have the suspects ARRESTED and if the victims died, how many people do you think would buy that the suspects were minding their own business and were enticed into the home and then attacked by the homeowners and were defending thsmselves? probably not many How about this one. http://www.cdispatch.com/news/article.asp?aid=16252 police are trying to get justice , notice the word 'suspects'.... this is as it should be, not alot to make it stand out,,, I could post thousands of these. What makes martins case stand out? Because the media and the likes of Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson, and the president intervined and made it political. what makes MArtin stand out is that the person who is DEAD is not receiving the same benefit of the doubt that he was KILLED,,,and the killer is given the benefit of being a 'victim' what makes MArtin stand out is he was not armed and the killer was,,, ,, its a HUGE Difference between cases where people have been killed and they are looking for 'suspects' |
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The Stand Your Ground Case
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yes, illegal touch will be the hard thing to prove
Again you fail. Past illegal touch cannot be used to PROVE current illegal touch. Only the evidence gathered in THIS case can be applied to showing in THIS case a person was committing a crime.
until or unless circumstantial evidence of lies on Zimmermans part and a past of 'illegal touch' in Zimmermans past tie together circumstantially to hold him accountable Civil it might be enough, Criminal not even close. not quite past history is often used to prove CHARACTER of a defendant, it can tie in very well in a criminal case,,,, remember the domestic abuse calls being used against OJ? remember past allegations of sexual misconduct being used against MJ? yes, history of behavior goes towards character and character can be a big part of how REASONABLE someones action seems,,, Not always. 9 times out of 10 a good defense attorney would get a PBA (Prior Bad Acts) hearing to not have them brought up in the trial. People make mistakes, $hit happens. and 9 times out of ten the other lawyer would also argue that his (Dead) clients past should likewise not be brought up that would be a fun trial,,,,,,nothing but witness testimony of the night,, (When witness testimony is statistically not extremely reliable either)..... |
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Men and women who work for the Pagan news media and lie for a living have not gotten around to Minchin that Zimmerman had a broken nose and a wound on the back of the head. well, they have not released any INFORMATION confirming that he did,,,although I guess they can always speculate,,,, |
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