cheating is doing something that you would not do if your significant other was there.

As soon as they are 21, arm them, train them, and pass Campus Carry.

In Most states at age 18 you can open carry a firearm as long as you have obtained it legally.

Hard work? Sitting on a couch talking to someone is hard work now?

Not to mention she hasn't been successful with this OWN flop, and it wont be successful.

Plus she definately hurt her career supporting the campaigner in chief.

I am not going to speculate. Its my opinion that speculating without all the facts leads to these emotional displays which we see in the media, which sadly prevent a fair trial and subvert the system in favor of emotional justice.

His story which so far has been corroborated is that he did not confront the teen, he was attacked, which matches the physical evidence, and that he cried for help for nearly a minute and continued to be beaten, then shot after a struggle for the gun ensued.

I am sorry msharmony, I can tell how much you want this to be in favor of the teen, but unless evidence surfaces that contradicts these events then prosecution will have a hard time convicting. (Also its election year for officials, so you can bet this wont be settled until October at the very least)

No amount of him walking the neighborhood was illegal, no amount of him asking the teen a question is illegal. Nothing he did so far (as the evidence can show), was illegal, the shooting itself was legal based on the current set of evidence. If more evidence is available that we do not have, it would seem to favor Zimmerman, or else Id imagine he would be arrested.

That he had wounds to his nose, and the back of his head and grass stains on his back indicate he was in a defensive position on his back on the ground being beaten on. You do not attack someone from your back on the ground.

If the 911 tapes can be used to determine if the screaming was not in fact his (Zimmermans) that might be a way to call into question the events as depicted by Zimmerman.

Lets hope some audio wizardry can parse the vocal range and distinguish between the two.

I do not know the contents of the call to the girl friend, does anyone know if that was recorded?

(Also everyone keeps talking about the weight difference, the teen was 6'3 140 lbs of pure muscle, he was an athlete and football players, fully capable with good leverage with that height. Do we know Zimmermans physical characteristics? I heard somewhere he was 220, but looks fat, short, and out of shape in his pics. To my knowledge the teen had no marks on his body indicating taking blows in a fight, this may indicate that Zimmerman did not fight back at all.)

I am not going to speculate. Its my opinion that speculating without all the facts leads to these emotional displays which we see in the media, which sadly prevent a fair trial and subvert the system in favor of emotional justice.

His story which so far has been corroborated is that he did not confront the teen, he was attacked, which matches the physical evidence, and that he cried for help for nearly a minute and continued to be beaten, then shot after a struggle for the gun ensued.

I am sorry msharmony, I can tell how much you want this to be in favor of the teen, but unless evidence surfaces that contradicts these events then prosecution will have a hard time convicting. (Also its election year for officials, so you can bet this wont be settled until October at the very least)

No amount of him walking the neighborhood was illegal, no amount of him asking the teen a question is illegal. Nothing he did so far (as the evidence can show), was illegal, the shooting itself was legal based on the current set of evidence. If more evidence is available that we do not have, it would seem to favor Zimmerman, or else Id imagine he would be arrested.

That he had wounds to his nose, and the back of his head and grass stains on his back indicate he was in a defensive position on his back on the ground being beaten on. You do not attack someone from your back on the ground.

If the 911 tapes can be used to determine if the screaming was not in fact his (Zimmermans) that might be a way to call into question the events as depicted by Zimmerman.

Lets hope some audio wizardry can parse the vocal range and distinguish between the two.

I do not know the contents of the call to the girl friend, does anyone know if that was recorded?

(Also everyone keeps talking about the weight difference, the teen was 6'3 140 lbs of pure muscle, he was an athlete and football players, fully capable with good leverage with that height. Do we know Zimmermans physical characteristics? I heard somewhere he was 220, but looks fat and out of shape. To my knowledge the teen had no marks on his body indicating taking blows in a fight, this may indicate that Zimmerman did not fight back at all.)

Well hear in Northeast ohio a few miles from chardon things are finaly settling down a bit. The red and black plastic ribbons (Chardons school colors) are all fadeing and tearing away from werever some kind hearted soul thought to put them thinking they would do some good. The future remains bleak for most american kids. Hug them if you got em.

I have an answer, why not treat voting in government like voting in a corporation. The more you pay in taxes is like the more stocks you own. The more you have invested the more you have to say about what is done. That sounds fair. Shouldn't the person who pays 10,000 in taxes have more a say in how those tax dollars are spent than the person who pays 1000?

msharmony please make sure to tell your kids about my three rules. Better yet print it out, and make sure they understand what rule two really means more than any other.

Scuffles are all well and good in play grounds, but in the real world they are unacceptably dangerous.

A person can get you into a compromising position and choke the life out of you, sometimes even on accident, during a scuffle.

The only way to take control of such a scuffle when you are being overpowered is to use deadly force. (When the SCOTUS agrees you have the right in such a scenario to defend using deadly force you must learn this and act accordingly even if you disagree with it)

Scuffles are unacceptably dangerous

Maybe that will be rule #4


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57366771-504083/cops-man-65-shoots-teens-who-pushed-him-off-bike-kills-one/
Another example of a justified shooting, where if the kids had followed my rules no one would have died.

Of course it doesn't add up, you dont have all the facts.

It doesn't add up for me either, all the more reason to not take sides when all the facts are not available.

If you rule out conspiracy, and racism then we must all assume the PA is withholding indictment for good reasons.

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Complete side bar here for me. (regardless of outcome these are words of wisdom for everyone)

Rule #1
--Treat others as you would like to be treated.

Rule #2
--Never mess with anyone, you dont know them, treat everyone as if they are armed and dangerous, becuase they could be.

Rule #3
--Record anything and everything anytime you get those bad suspicious feelings about something.

This may seem paranoid, but if you follow these three rules you will be able to navigate life and remain justified in your own actions.

These three rules make me a pacifist for all intents and purposes. I want no one to harm me, so I cannot harm anyone else. If I treat every person with the respect due to an armed and highly capable person I will never underestimate them and find myself in a situation of my own creation that I cannot handle and was not prepared for.

If Both parties had called the police, and REMAINED on the line, or continued to record using a personal device then we the people who are trying to judge the situation would not be so want to imagine what we want to imagine in coming up with the events that surround this tragedy.

Of course it doesn't add up, you dont have all the facts.

It doesn't add up for me either, all the more reason to not take sides when all the facts are not available.

If you rule out conspiracy, and racism then we must all assume the PA is withholding indictment for good reasons.

Where are the facts that show he confronted Martin?
It is just as likely that Martin recognized him from being followed earlier and decided to confront Zimmerman.

Please let me know if you have additional facts.

Too much speculation without facts.

We need facts msharmony. You are speculating on how it went down.

To convict you need evidence that amounts to BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT.

You are filling in the details with no regard to the facts on the ground, which currently only the authorities have available.

In this forum all you are doing is showing you cannot be an unbiased commentator on this subject.

I understand the emotional responses from the family, but as someone who works in law you should try to remain unbiased.