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The whole point of neighborhood watch is to watch people acting suspicious or people your not familiar with being in the neighborhood. What if this guy didn't follow him as instructed by the police and he broke into someones house and stole money, a gun to be used in a crime later or raped a woman who was home alone? Then everybody would be looking at this Zimmerman dude, its a lose lose situation for him at this point. no they wouldnt, they would look at police whose job it is to respond when neighborhood watch calls them if he had not been so aching to catch someone , he would not have imagined some possible crime scenario and approached a kid with a gun and the risk of taking that kids life,,,, Maybe 50 years ago, but today police are stretched too thin and show up after the fact 99.999% of the time so it is up to us to protect ourselves. thats exactly the kind of thinking that will get more innocent people killed ,, because they 'could' be on their way to commit a crime,,,,, |
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The whole point of neighborhood watch is to watch people acting suspicious or people your not familiar with being in the neighborhood. What if this guy didn't follow him as instructed by the police and he broke into someones house and stole money, a gun to be used in a crime later or raped a woman who was home alone? Then everybody would be looking at this Zimmerman dude, its a lose lose situation for him at this point. Did you listen to the 911 call? Zimmerman never said he was going to follow the guy.
Zimmerman's father released a statement saying his son in fact did not follow Martin. This does not say what did happen, only what did not happen. If anything that begs answers to other questions. I saw this case pretty much right after it happened, it was posted to one of my news feeds. I knew right from the get go that many details were missing. I did listen to the recording,, wow,,,,its amazing that this is so hard for some to see or aknowledge the dispatcher asked him DIRECTLY if he was following the boy and he said YEP |
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http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-killing-friend-phone-teen-death-recounts-063243901--abc-news.html video here also One fact here that has not been addressed in any of the reports I have seen. Martin had a cell phone, he knew some guy was following him, why did he not call the police? Zimmerman claims he did not confront Martin, that Martin confronted him, and then attacked him. << this is the key claim that needs to be refuted with evidence for there to be a case. If that is true, the teen became angry at being followed and instead of calling the police decided to take the situation into his own hands and confronted Zimmerman. If no evidence exists to determine if this occurred or not, then authorities have done the right thing in not bringing a case to trial that is doomed to fail. They should continue to gather evidence unless they have a definitive case. he claims he did not confront Martin, but, on the call he says 'these ******** always get away' on the phone when asked if he is following Martin, he response 'yes' and you can hear the background of the phone the sound of him moving thats pretty clear evidence that HE initated a threat, not the boy so, if you are a teenager walking in a new neighborhood in the rain at night and some big man gets out his car and starts following you you can run,, which apparently (according to zimmerman himself on the call to dispatch) he did,,,or you can fight and if you end up being the one who dies, I Guess the perp can claim it was self defense because of your choice to fight but its still bs,, and the person this boy was on the phone with will most likely be the key to refuting his claim that he got out his car to look at a sign and was attacked by Martin,,,, |
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Before weighing the story... Whos gun was it? (my watch carries only spray and speak techology). Who cried 'help'? the reports say the teen had just a cell phone, skittles and a pop, after returning from the store to try to finish watching the ball game my guess is , it was the 'watchmans' gun its not clear who cried help, but the watchman had 100 pounds on the teen and followed him,,,and (so far it seems) had a gun,,,, my guess would be that poor kid was crying out after some grown man followed and assaulted or tried to restrain him,,, the police also said not to bother the kid too...that would be a matter for the police, not a "watchman" The whole point of neighborhood watch is to watch people acting suspicious or people your not familiar with being in the neighborhood. What if this guy didn't follow him as instructed by the police and he broke into someones house and stole money, a gun to be used in a crime later or raped a woman who was home alone? Then everybody would be looking at this Zimmerman dude, its a lose lose situation for him at this point. no they wouldnt, they would look at police whose job it is to respond when neighborhood watch calls them if he had not been so aching to catch someone , he would not have imagined some possible crime scenario and approached a kid with a gun and the risk of taking that kids life,,,, |
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What is most sad (other than a person being killed) is the way people are fixated on details which are irreverent to the actual altercation. The color of their skin is irrelevant. The skittles are irrelevant. That one of them had a gun is also irreverent. All that matters is the details of the altercation from the time that the two men started talking, to the time they started wrestling, to the time the shot occurred. That is all that matters to detail whether Zimmerman was justified, or not. If Martin attacked Zimmerman, as Zimmerman claims, they began wrestling, his shirt came up exposing the weapon, and Martin reached for the gun. Then his actions to pull his weapon and fire where %100 justified. No matter how much anyone wants to paint one or the other as a saint, or as a fiend matters not. the gun is not irrelevant if it is the cause of the death the likeliness of this grown man, 100 pounds heavier than the teen and carrying a gun, telling a dispatcher that he is watching this boy, and following this boy, and then having this boy attack HIM , is low and even then, it wouldnt justify a shooting, if you are the person pursuing someone when they decide to defend THEMSELF thats why stand your ground is too vague,, which male had more of a right to do so in this case the teen walking from the store and not bothering the man or the man, departing from his car in the rain with a gun to follow the teen ? why shouldnt the teen have been scared too, or felt threatened,, if he felt threatened why wouldnt he be justified in defending himself too (without a weapon, the old fashioned way)? no,, the likelihood here is that an overvigilant man with a gun saw someone his mind said was 'suspicious' and wanted to make sure he didnt 'get away' |
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Where is the outrage mob here? 2 Charged in 6-Year-Old's Murder Rash of weekend shootings leave 39 others wounded At least 10 people were killed and 39 others wounded during a bloody Saturday and Sunday throughout the city, police said. Saturday’s fatal shootings started about 3:40 p.m., when a 6-year-old girl -- identified by the Cook County Medical Examiner’s office as Aliyah Shell -- was shot dead outside her house in the 3100 block of South Springfield Avenue, police said. A pickup truck approached and somebody inside began shooting, striking the girl in the abdomen, police said. The little girl's sister was inside the house when she heard a popping sound outside. "They started shooting but I thought it was fireworks. I heard like five or six gunshots. I thought they were fireworks," said Desiree Valzquez, Aliya's sister. "I ran outside, and my mom was holding my sister. My sister wasn't talking anymore. She wasn't breathing." Sunday afternoon, police charged two teens with Aliyah's murder -- 18-year-old Juan Barraza, and a 16-year-old boy. Both teens are charged with murder and aggravated discharge of a firearm. Police said they recovered a gun at the scene. http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Six-shot-dead-17-others-wounded-in-citywide-violence-6-year-old-killed-Aliyah-Shell-143095046.html#ixzz1pemCi1Xn/ both teens are 'charged',,, that would be a good start in this case,,, |
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Zimmerman's father, 64-year-old Robert Zimmerman of Lake Mary, delivered a one-page letter to the Sentinel on Thursday, saying that the depiction of his son in the media has been cruel and misleading. George Zimmerman is Hispanic and grew up in a multiracial family, the statement says. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-trayvon-martin-shooting-zimmerman-letter-20120315,0,1716605.story/ I find it interesting that the lamestream media is portraying this guy as being white.. If this dude was the one that got shot he would certainly be called hispanic.. Pretty pathetic attempt at pushing the racist whitey to wind up the outrage mobs.. here is the rub: IN the us HISPANIC is an etnicity but not a race, so a person can be both White and Hispanic,,,, |
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to tell or not to tell
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To be together in my book is to be able to share all. I can only be with another if they are willing to treat us as one. Not that we have to be alike, do everything together or view things the same way. Basically if I can't feel complete with them, knowing they have my back in all things, I don't want to be with them at all. reasonable howdy Sis 
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Topic:
to tell or not to tell
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To be together in my book is to be able to share all. I can only be with another if they are willing to treat us as one. Not that we have to be alike, do everything together or view things the same way. Basically if I can't feel complete with them, knowing they have my back in all things, I don't want to be with them at all. reasonable |
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I think there is no point in communicating, verbally or in writing, if you dont care whether you are understood.
I try to use spelling and grammar that will make it easiest for others to understand me. I also was raised in a home where education, reading, writing, math,,etc,,, were all very important so its usually second nature for me to pay attention to the words I use the way I use them. |
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Cheating
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Do you think people are capable of staying faithful? Is one gender known to cheat more? What makes us cheat? would you forgive a cheater? Any last words on the topic? I think people are capable of staying faithful. I think males were 'known' to cheat more because our culture raises males to think of sex as a way to conquer a challenge or entertainment BUT since women have become more 'equal' to men they are being raised the same way so its hard to say which is worse People cheat because they are too scared to be honest, scared of what they might loose I have forgiven a cheater before, I wont forgive a SERIAL cheater, if its a habit and not a mistake, ,,Im not interested My last word is in this day and age when so many males and females are perfectly willing to lay down with no ocmmitment and barely any knowledge of each other, I dont see why people still feel a desire to hook up with someone that wants a commitment if they still want to play the field I think if it comes to that , AS soon as the urge is hitting to stray, an adult should be honest with their partner and give them the opportunity to work it out or move on,,, |
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Topic:
to tell or not to tell
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so, if you cheat, and your partner is oblivious to it and happy with you,,,,
should you come clean for honesty sake, or leave well enough alone? do you think the answer is the same for males and females? I only ask because I watched something earlier where the couple actually thought it would be best not to tell each other because of the 'unnecessary' pain it would cause,,, I could never cheat in the first place, and I think I would want to know the truth and deal with it if my partner had (it would be the absolute worst to find from someone else first), but I wondered how others feel about it,,, |
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or she will restructure and continue being successful
and probably never having to file bankruptcy to do it,,,, even people that dont concur with your political choices deserve to be compensated for hard work,,,, |
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it would be strange if the teen was armed and noone mentioned it,, but I guess its possible,,,,
still leaves a bad taste that noone was there to protect this boy who was, indirectly, part of the neighborhood the man was supposedly watching out for to be a teen and see someone following you around, must be a scary thing if you arent yet familiar with the territory,, |
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Before weighing the story... Whos gun was it? (my watch carries only spray and speak techology). Who cried 'help'? the reports say the teen had just a cell phone, skittles and a pop, after returning from the store to try to finish watching the ball game my guess is , it was the 'watchmans' gun its not clear who cried help, but the watchman had 100 pounds on the teen and followed him,,,and (so far it seems) had a gun,,,, my guess would be that poor kid was crying out after some grown man followed and assaulted or tried to restrain him,,, |
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no doubt
its why I put the word look in parentheses because Im from an asthetically diverse family myself, I know how diverse appearances can be within any given race... |
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snoops is a liberal website... it may or may not be in the new bill, but it was in the original bill, and thats what obama wants, so it can be easier for him to be a dictator. they revise it 100 times, then they sneak that crap in there. the original bill didnt even require a chip, it was referring to keeping a registry of medical devices not mandating a chip you might wanna read that again... it was required that all people have them installed by march of 2013, withing 3 years of the bill passing.but the revisions removed that part. read the link... where do I start? the bill states something about a registry to keep track of the devices,,,nowhere does it say people HAVE to have them the sentence (most likely out of context) 'Not later than 36 months after the date of the enactment”.' is not clearly about a chip, and more likely about the registry to which the bill is referring clearly is a strong word there... if it was clear, we wouldn't be debating it now...
exactly |
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I don't think this was racially motivated because the shooter is Mexican. As stated by someone on here over and over and over only white people can be racist. and thats why obama don't care, there are no white people involved... the original story did report zimmerman as white,,,has that changed? They had his picture on one of the news channels Saturday! the reports say he is white,, some mexicans 'look' white and some whites 'look' mexican |
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snoops is a liberal website... it may or may not be in the new bill, but it was in the original bill, and thats what obama wants, so it can be easier for him to be a dictator. they revise it 100 times, then they sneak that crap in there. the original bill didnt even require a chip, it was referring to keeping a registry of medical devices not mandating a chip you might wanna read that again... it was required that all people have them installed by march of 2013, withing 3 years of the bill passing.but the revisions removed that part. read the link... where do I start? the bill states something about a registry to keep track of the devices,,,nowhere does it say people HAVE to have them the sentence (most likely out of context) 'Not later than 36 months after the date of the enactment”.' is not clearly about a chip, and more likely about the registry to which the bill is referring |
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I don't think this was racially motivated because the shooter is Mexican. As stated by someone on here over and over and over only white people can be racist. and thats why obama don't care, there are no white people involved... the original story did report zimmerman as white,,,has that changed? |
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