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Sat 06/13/20 10:20 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 06/13/20 10:21 AM

How would you define each of the following:

1. Racial justice

2. Social justice

3. Economic justice


1/Justice that occurs without regard to race, or policies that correct past racial disparities in an equitable fashion

2/ Justice that occurs without regard to social status/class, or policies that correct past social class disparities in an equitable fashion

3/ I have never heard of economic justice. What comes to mind is being financially compensated equitably

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Sat 06/13/20 10:00 AM

Indy riot damage totals likely in millions

INDIANAPOLIS — For the last week, Sherry Sewiert, president of Downtown Indy Inc. (DII), has tried to get a handle on the cost two nights of rioting did to businesses, buildings and residences in the core of Indianapolis.

When she wouldn’t hazard a prediction on even a low-ball figure, I asked, “Is it well into the seven figures?”

“That’s a fair guess,” Seiwert said.

Surveys conducted by DII and FOX59 News indicate building losses from at least $10,000 at Dick’s Bodacious Barbeque at the corner of Pennsylvania and Market Streets where IMPD fired tear gas to disperse a crowd on the night of May 30th to $500,000 at the Block Building at 110 West Market Street, and Seiwert said her survey of damages likely won’t be complete for another week.

DII listed at least 112 businesses and buildings impacted by the rioting, fires and looting that followed often peaceful protests that began on Monument Circle against racial inequality and police action shootings.

Mayor Joe Hogsett said he is awaiting DII’s report before he can speculate on the total financial loss to downtown Indianapolis.


I hope they catch the individuals responsible and prosecute them so the owners can have justice. I also hope the owners were holding an insurance that will reimburse their losses financially.


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Sat 06/13/20 08:21 AM


Im not taking justice into my own hands. Someone has to yell wrong doing for an arrest to be made.


you, and many others, are sitting on the chests of those officers in the same measure that they did to the criminal. you just aren't doing in physically.

it's still the same thing.




Well, maybe they 'chose' to end their careers and end up in jail, by choosing to sit on the back and neck of this man for so long, even after he stopped moving.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:20 AM


They're gonna get a trial. Mr. FLOYD WON'T


They've already been judged by the Press...any result other than that will result in urban chaos...thus, even if innocent, they will be sacrificed to keep the rabble culled.

Every point I've raised in prior posts, along with his high blood pressure, sickle-cell and heart disease, were contributing factors to this man's death.

NONE of them will be considered to keep the cities from burning AGAIN.


Well, IF people 'bring' these things upon themselves, so be it. Karma.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:19 AM

He killed himself through his poor judgement and actions. Every person has the right to end their own life.

Since there was also no bruising on his throat, according to his autopsy report, his airway wasn't obstructed. Blaming the police for his death is nothing more than trying to calm the crowd. Rushing to judgement on the whole affair is an exercise in bigotry against the police created by the media and racism created by public opinion.


people suffocated by pillows dont show neck bruising either. That is really not proof. Seeing is believing.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:13 AM


At PSX......Wrong! Those Police used a prone position restraint that is known to KILL people. They are trained to reposition. He told them he couldnt breathe. They continued to ignore him and their training. Murderer's.
What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Anyone could have a fake bill and not know. It's happened to me. Maybe he had a past so what he deserved the chance to change.


nope...the cop is guilty so the career criminal must also be...


No. There is no tape or evidence of the 'career' criminal committing any crime. Being claustrophobic is not a crime. Passing A 'counterfeit' bill is not even a crime because bills pass hands all the time. They could discern IF The bill is fake and inquire where that person obtained it. IF there is substantial EVIDENCE of the person knowingly passing false bills, THEN a crime can be charged. The law does not expect most people to know what a few counterfeit bills look like when they get them from a legitimate source.


And there is still no capital death worthy offense for counterfeit bills or 'underlying conditions'.

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Sat 06/13/20 08:09 AM


So he also put three Policemen on top of him too and don't forget the knee on the guys throat also? Don't talk shite!! Do you really know how stupid and absurd that sounds? Get real and stay off the Vodka, as your head is pickled!

Have you read the criminal complaint against Chauvin. CNN 8 notable things criminal complaint is good place to start. Also the Hennepin Co Autopsy. They both state that underlying health conditions and drug use were factors in Floyds death. He was having issues prior to be brought to the ground and resisted arrest. The question is did anything the officers do really lead to his death? Or would have he died no matter what those cops did? Any which way his drug use does have an effect on this case, and had he not resisted he most likely would not of been in arrested in the first place, or had he been arrested and not resisted then he would have never been put to the ground, however there is still a possibility he would of died. Restraining him on the ground may have been the best thing those cops could do. There is nothing that will ever measure the amount of pressure the officers were putting on him. There is nothing saying that these officers could have done ANYTHING to keep Floyd alive.


You did not watch the video. He was complaining of being claustrophobic. THEY HAD HIM IN THE CAR. But then, they yanked him OUT the car and proceeded to constrict his airway for eight minutes, all while telling him to 'get in the car'. It made no sense. There was no excuse. But fors are pointless here because but for them restricting his breathing for that long, his mere 'underlying' conditions would most likely have not caused his death, being that they had not and were not when he was approached.


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Sat 06/13/20 08:06 AM

or maybe it's that I don't have any respiratory illness...or any illegal drugs in my system..

or any heart disease...

Nope, it's all because I'm white...

only white people can spend more than 9 minutes in the prone position without dying...

BREAKING NEWS: The Grim Reaper is Racist....


it is not about JUST being in the position. Come on now. Let us not be silly. Of course, if your airway is not restricted, you can be in prone position. However, if force is being applied to your BACK and NECK, preventing the ability for lungs to expand and contract, that is a different story.



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Sat 06/13/20 08:02 AM

Calling for paramedics makes the police racist.

getting him out of the car make the police racists.

restraining the criminal makes the police racist

forget the trial....just lynch the cops and make everyone happy.


I do not recall anyone in the thread saying any of that. Straw man.

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Thu 06/11/20 03:23 PM
Being shirtless (unless at the beach or pool)


Rich man poses ( in front of fancy houses or cars)

Dishonest eyes, face, or just unpleasant/uncomfortable facial expression in general

Guns, extremism (religious or patriotic)

a longer list of don't likes or don't wants than reasons why someone should like or want them

Trump support slogans or merchandise

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Thu 06/11/20 03:19 PM

You might want to check your facts. William Carney was not the first person to receive the Medal of Honor. He didn't have it awarded until 1900 for action that he experienced in 1863...

Race had nothing to do with why he received the award...I don't know why that's such a qualifier for you.



I agree partly. HE was the first AA to be honored, not the first to have the award. But race had a big part to play in the timing of when an AA was finally able to get that type of recognition.

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Thu 06/11/20 03:12 PM

Surely you know that the nazis wanted to get rid of all?
Started with the Jews and was progressing to other races?
We were stopping that?
Anyway, it's diversed from the ot.


Yes, I know that is ONE of the common things they wanted. I also know Hitler did SOME things in common with what other leaders have done.

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Thu 06/11/20 11:56 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 06/11/20 11:57 AM

Because they are saying they both murdered people :rolling_eyes:


If they did. It is an accurate comparison. If they did not, it is not. Not to make light at all, but good and bad is sometimes only a matter of who was harmed and who was spared harm. I am sure that between the two they see the outcomes and the motivations quite differently.



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Thu 06/11/20 11:51 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 06/11/20 11:55 AM
The thing with comparisons are they are just that, only a comparison. If someone was a scientific genius but also a pedhophile, comparing them to other scientific geniuses would only be comparing their similar scientific genius, and not necessarily the pedophilia.

Great humans make terrible mistakes and can rarely, in a lifetime, do terrible things to others. And terrible humans can sometimes make great choices, and can rarely, in a lifetime, do some great things for others. It is not black and white.


Humans have similarities and differences because they all have being human in common. Instead of immediate defense, I like to ask in what ways the two are considered similar. Sometimes the answer may be accurate. Sometimes it may not be.


In political discussions especially, such statements are used to invoke fear, that because a leader is similar to some other leader in some ways, they will duplicate the worst things the other leader has done, which is just silly. All sides commit such silliness.






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Thu 06/11/20 09:26 AM


Let me ask this: If cities and states ban police from using certain physical restraints that could cause death and an officer is dealing with someone physically superior resisting arrest, what action do you expect the officer to take? Please be specific!


personally, I would expect an officer to be TRAINED in assessing a situation. I would expect officers who have BACK UP, (multiple officers) should not very easily be dealing with a single individual who is superior physically alone and unarmed than they are together. I also expect cuffs to be used. I also do not expect someone to be pulled OUT of a police car and then have four officers putting pressure on their backs and neck just to restrain them, and certainly not for eight minutes.

There is no one size fits all. There is only what is REASONABLE. Force REASONABLY necessary to restrain is kind of what I expect. Force that potentially KILLS just to restrain an offender is not.

IF there are going to be potentially fatal tactics, they better well be trained in where the LIMITS of those tactics are and assessing when they are crossing the line to fatal.







And then,pay them more for meeting what SHOULD be the required skill set for that position.

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Thu 06/11/20 09:18 AM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 06/11/20 09:24 AM



Funny it's never party politics when the left is in charge yet civil right violations continually happen year after year after year...

It's also never party politics when the left has been in charge for decades, or even a century, for these same cities with the country's highest crime rates.

It's only party politics when they can blame those on the right...




how are the 'left' or 'right' in charge? Which individuals have dictatorships?


New Orleans has been run exclusively by the Democratic Party for over 150 years. Yet when the levies broke, due to their yearly upkeep funding being "diverted" to other areas, it was immediately blamed on outside agencies. Even though the names change, the same political policies remain in effect and THAT is your dictatorship.

I've already gone through the tip of the extensive list of American cities that have been run by one-party politics for 5+ decades. St. Louis, Minneapolis, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Washington DC...etc etc etc...all complain about how corrupt the police are in their cities, how change is needed, how crime is rampant. Yet somehow the regimes that have been running the show exclusively for decades suddenly now are "woke" to the issue of corruption...



We already did this dance in 2012 when the appointed one and his illustrious regime were in complete control. New DOJ rules of interaction, restriction and policy were put forth and if not followed federal funding was supposed to be cut...

and yet somehow we're right back in the same mud puddle, this time even deeper, looking to the same people who "fixed the issue" less than a decade ago to fix it again. Maybe we should put more of the failed policies into effect...I'm sure that 2-5 generations of failure only exists because they need more time.


your argument fails muster in answering the question.

1. If you are using a 150 year range, many INDIVIDUALS have been mayors in those cities.
2. Those INDIVIDUALS have had to answer to many GOVERNORS in those states. And many have city managers they work with as well, not to mention councils.
3. Some years in those 150 have been good years and some have not.
4. The parties themselves have not stayed the same during that 150 year period.
5. A city has many departments, many roles, and none of them are dictatorships. They are all working with OTHERS in some capacity. And it is NOT as simple as which party an individual in those roles happens to belong to.

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Wed 06/10/20 08:14 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 06/10/20 08:14 PM

Let me ask this: If cities and states ban police from using certain physical restraints that could cause death and an officer is dealing with someone physically superior resisting arrest, what action do you expect the officer to take? Please be specific!


personally, I would expect an officer to be TRAINED in assessing a situation. I would expect officers who have BACK UP, (multiple officers) should not very easily be dealing with a single individual who is superior physically alone and unarmed than they are together. I also expect cuffs to be used. I also do not expect someone to be pulled OUT of a police car and then have four officers putting pressure on their backs and neck just to restrain them, and certainly not for eight minutes.

There is no one size fits all. There is only what is REASONABLE. Force REASONABLY necessary to restrain is kind of what I expect. Force that potentially KILLS just to restrain an offender is not.

IF there are going to be potentially fatal tactics, they better well be trained in where the LIMITS of those tactics are and assessing when they are crossing the line to fatal.





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Wed 06/10/20 08:09 PM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 06/10/20 08:23 PM

Funny it's never party politics when the left is in charge yet civil right violations continually happen year after year after year...

It's also never party politics when the left has been in charge for decades, or even a century, for these same cities with the country's highest crime rates.

It's only party politics when they can blame those on the right...




how are the 'left' or 'right' in charge? Which individuals have dictatorships?

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Wed 06/10/20 03:19 PM




IT is not party politics, people are individuals first, no party exclusively good or exclusively bad, because each have a number of INDIVIDUALS within it

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Wed 06/10/20 03:18 PM

I hope these protesters get EVERY demand they want.

However, it should be required that they have to remain in the community once they get them so they get to completely enjoy the fruits of their labors....


not like most can move or have it much worse


























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