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Sun 03/16/08 04:24 AM
Aparently im debating with people who cant read now. If you read the post above you, you will see. I said BEFORE we went to iraq, we asked the un for help/permision, and what did we get, the sound of crickets and a look of "are you serious" on there faces. Give me a break people, if you going to be in the conversation then at least pay attention.

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Sun 03/16/08 04:19 AM



I have a hard time finding a "credible" news source that tells it like it is.


Yes becouse smirkingchimp.com just screams take me seriously. laugh laugh laugh Your posts all say the same thing over and over. Anyway, bush, clinton, obama, and mccain can all take a flying leap for all I care. This is why I dont get involved in politics. When the government is trying to tell me where to live, how to act, and i cant own a gun, then Ill get involved...barrel first. You want the truth told just like it is. I can say everything you have ever posted in one short sentence. Headline: Countrys gone to he*ll in a handbasket. See now wasnt that much easier to read. But o well you wont listen anyway so im not going to wast my words.
Its funny that the country has gone to hell in so many ways yet we still have uninformed people who come crawling out of there cave bellowing how great america is. laugh


hmmm did I say that america was great anywhere in my post.... NO. I belive what I said was this country has gone to HEL*L IN A HANDBASKET, or are you to busy hiding under that rock to read the entire post. And belive me Im more informed than you think. Why becouse I look at both sides of the story and not just the left or right, and what do I come up with in the end....the truth.

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Sun 03/16/08 12:28 AM




Does anyone find it a little disturbing that when we first wanted to go in and remove saddam the un was basicly saying, no no leave him alone yet now that we have removed the threat they are willing to go in and attempt to do their job. It's a little retarded that they only go in when they see fit, which seem to be after the job is done.
I think they are willing to go clean up our mess and end some of the violence and suffering. It too bad we were not welcomed as liberators as both Bush and Cheneye predicted and there probly will be no peace unless we commit genocide or leave




Wow commit genocide or leave, Theres some good choices. grumble grumble Ive heard of extreamist thinking but that is bordering on fanatical. As far as ending the violence and suffering... I dont think so. When has the un ever ended anything. They alwas step in after the sh*it has hit the fan and is starting to fall. Even when it was osama that was our main target the un wouldnt back us. I bet if it was the un headcorters that was hit and not the trade center they would have sent troops.


When was Osama our target???? I don't remember that dayohwell

If they want the UN let em have the UN, we did not belong there anyway.


ooooo I dont know 9/11 apox. 10am Weather bush actualy went over for osama in the first place is debatable, I personaly dont think bush ever intended on persuing osama, but what I am saying is when our "official" target was osama/al queda (or however you spell it) the un wouldnt back us. Oh well they Just get in the way anyway.

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Sun 03/16/08 12:19 AM

You know the energy bill that Congress passed and President Bush signed into law the other day? Tucked into the legislation is a provision that mandates the phase-out of the 125-year-old incandescent bulb in the next four to 12 years in favor of a new generation of trendy, supposedly energy-efficient compact fluorescent lights (CFL’s). That’s right, soon you will have no choice but these terrible dim bulbs that need a few minutes to warm up before you can even see anything in the room.

First, Australia. Then the EU. And now us. Well-intended bulb-pushers said they weren’t supporting mandates. Just “voluntary adoption” of lighting alternatives. But the road to eco-meddling is always paved with “voluntary” intentions–along with threats to your children that if you don’t volunteer to buy environmentally correct lights, Santa and his reindeer will DIE! That according to the Seattle Mayor at a tree lighting ceremony in the downtown area. The Mayor used the event to preach the evils of global warming to the kids in attendance. He warned the children that if they don’t use energy-efficient light bulbs, Santa and the reindeer will perish amid melting icecaps. Can’t Christmas be Christmas without scaring the kids?

The light bulb provision phases out traditional bulbs by gradually increasing efficiency requirements through 2020. Conveniently for manufacturers like Philips, GE, et al, which have been pushing for legislation that would phase out incandescent bulbs (and level the playing field among competitors while giving Philips the public relations credit), the compact fluorescent bulbs (CFLs) already meet the 2020 requirement. Do you see where if you follow the money you can always find what the real agenda behind this stuff is?

Proponents of government intervention into the light bulb market argue the change will save consumers money – The claim is it will save $40 billion in energy and other costs in the next 22 years. But aside from mentioning that one drawback of CFLs – that their “yellowish tints” are annoying to some eyes – they fail to mention the major flaw of the new technology: mercury. Mercury, a toxic metal famously found in thermometers, helps create the increased efficiency of a CFL bulb. If the bulb breaks, the small amount of mercury can contaminate the area. I thought we had been focusing the last few years on keeping this stuff out of the environment and away from our children.

The Financial Post reported in April that a broken CFL bulb cost a Maine woman more than $2,000 to clean when the state Department of Environmental Protection referred her to a cleanup company. At $5 in energy savings per bulb per month, one broken bulb could eat up 33 years’ worth of savings!

The federal EPA doesn’t recommend professional cleanup for a broken bulb. It recommends you open a window, leave the room for 15 minutes, then put on some rubber gloves, scoop up the broken bits and seal them in a plastic bag, then put that bag in another plastic bag before throwing it out. Then wash your hands.

Even if the bulb doesn’t break, CFL users are supposed to dispose of used bulbs through state-run household hazardous waste programs, which aren’t nearly as simple or convenient as tossing a burnt bulb in the trash. Some states, like Maine, tell residents to hold hazardous materials in their homes until designated collection days. Many others, like Virginia, require participants to take the bulbs to waste disposal sites for special processing.

What happened to keeping government out of our bedroom? And our bathroom? And our utility closets?
In a little over a year -- January 2009 -- this major change will be introduced and will have a significant impact on domestic and industrial users, as well as lighting installers and manufacturers.

No guidelines or informative advice have been published regarding the changeover. Yet again, the long-suffering public will be left to shoulder the added cost. It will also have to endure the hassle of yet another quick and easy knee-jerk government measure aimed at cheap, "green" feel-good publicity rather than a carefully thought through measure.


have you even tried the new coiled florecent lights that screw into the existing sockets. I have those in my home and those are bright as He*ll. The bar style lights that need the balast setup are dim yes but they never said that you had to use them. just as long as it is a florecent. There not as expensive when as the standard bulbs when you consider how much longer they last and how much power they save. (Im speaking from expierince) With standard bulbs I was changing bulbs every couple of months but now since I changed to all florescents I havent changed a bulb in at least six months. This one is a good thing in my opinion. This is not ment to offend just my point of view from my ecperinces.

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Sat 03/15/08 11:59 PM
were not talking beating confessions out of people. Were talking when you have a target of interest that you know he knows what you need to know simply it is impossible for him not to know, ie targets he was incharge of. I think im done with this thread becouse the people defending it seem to live in a wonderfull black and white world. Guess what the world is not black and white its a very blurry shade of gray.

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Sat 03/15/08 11:38 PM

Then I gess were down to yelling "tell us what we want to know" at them over and over, yea becouse that always worksnoway laugh


humanity, you have any?

torture does not work on someone who is dedicated to their cause

Humanity yes, sympathy no

and as far as torture not working on someone dedicated to there cause. Alow me to elaborat my fealings through an emoticon or two laugh laugh noway noway ohwell huh If the person is that important and that dedicated to his cause this is how it would work. First he would be sent to a black opps interigator. And after that there are only a few things you need to understand. The human body can only stand so much pain, regardless of training, everyone has a breaking point. once the body has reached its breaking point your mind is then vonerable. That is when they start asking the questions. How do I know this you may ask. Ive talked to a couple of these guys. They hated what they did but they said they would do it again becouse the information gathered was well worth it.

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Sat 03/15/08 11:19 PM

I have a hard time finding a "credible" news source that tells it like it is.


Yes becouse smirkingchimp.com just screams take me seriously. laugh laugh laugh Your posts all say the same thing over and over. Anyway, bush, clinton, obama, and mccain can all take a flying leap for all I care. This is why I dont get involved in politics. When the government is trying to tell me where to live, how to act, and i cant own a gun, then Ill get involved...barrel first. You want the truth told just like it is. I can say everything you have ever posted in one short sentence. Headline: Countrys gone to he*ll in a handbasket. See now wasnt that much easier to read. But o well you wont listen anyway so im not going to wast my words.

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Sat 03/15/08 11:03 PM

I dont think we are resorting to their level. Are you claiming that depriving someone of sleep is the same as blowing up a bus with a bomb tied to your chest?


torture is torture.




and btw, suicide is not torture

Then I gess were down to yelling "tell us what we want to know" at them over and over, yea becouse that always worksnoway laugh

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Sat 03/15/08 10:47 PM
torture is wrong
torture is wrong
its wrong no matter what
im write your wrong...

Did someone leave the record skipping. Your attempts to refute the effectiveness of torture are laughable at best dragon. she just gave you proof that torture works... And you want to know what, you say you have a high pain tolerance so they couldnt make you talk. Guess what? Ill give you a small sample of what would happen to you if you were caught by our enemys and they though you had info. First they would tie you up, most likely to a chair, and beat you untill your bleading and barly concious. Then, since you femaie they would most likely rape you. Then if you haven started sing like a song bird at this point they will start removing parts of you body. Starting with your hands and feet. After all of this they will still cut you head off. All of this is streched out over several days unless of corse they break you on the first day or so. Hears sample number 2, what happens if you are one of our enemys. Your locked in a small cage, ie a jail cell, not allowed to sleep, mabey subjected to verying teperatures, and when it comes down to the worst of it tied to a board and have water pored over your head. Maby if you resist after that and they are dam*n sure you have info. you might get a gun put to your head and posibly fired beside your head for intimidation. Now tell me Which would you rather endure. You try to say that torture does not work. Lets put it in a broad spectrum like you seem to see it. If you think that it dosent work then lets ask not only the military intereagators but the police and customes intereagators as well. You keep saying its not a civilized thing to do, since when is war civilized. War was made for one purpose, to take life. And for the past several thousand years our species has gotten very very good at it. I have yet to hear of two soldiers on the battle field politly asking if the other minds being shot at. I know that this will be refuted by the "torture is wrong no matter what" defense we have heard from almost every one of your posts on the subject but hey what do I know acording to you im "delusional at best".

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Sat 03/15/08 01:56 AM

gun control is a tight shot group

anti gunners are whiney babies that need to be home invaded,see how quick the cops prevent anything

anti gun proponents are mindless idiots


I thought that was muzzle controle laugh laugh bigsmile

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Sat 03/15/08 01:56 AM

Happiness is massive firepowersmokin drinker bigsmile


amen to thatdrinker drinker laugh laugh

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Sat 03/15/08 01:55 AM




without arms
how are the people
to protect
their
inalienable rights


In a civilized nation you don't need to, you have laws.

Thinking that since you own a glock or whatever else "the government" will be somewhat more respectful of you is ridicolous. Besides the fact that you need much more firepower to do anything is the economy the tool to drive and steer the masses, not guns.

I agree that they are beautiful pieces of technology, and nor dangerous by themselves, but they are nothing more than another "product" you like to buy, marketed and advertised as such. Nothing more. You don't NEED them you WANT them.

I don't have a gun and I'm free all the same..keep yours but don't think you're a sort of super hero or freedom defender just because you can go BANG...

They'll get you speculating on mortgages, raising the price pf gas until you can't drive anymore or closing your son's school. Not with guns.

JMO





If this was true.......why are certain people in our government trying to take them away? Why did Hitler take them away? Face it......you are free because of all the rest of us that have guns.
If they take away the our right to own firearms it won't be long before they take other rights away as well. Heck, by the reasoning of some of the anti-gun people around here there should be a lot more deaths by gun. But the truth is......you are safer with a gun in the house than you are crossing the road.



did you noot see the to robbers in california

shot two or 3 officers

held swat at bay for hours

2 of them

and i feel if this was a liberty issue

their would be a few more than two hopefully

and if their is not then maybe the two are in the wrong

and that was a daylight robbery

gorilla actions

would make a bike difference

when up against larger force you must use hit and run

after all they are fight pretty good in irag and afganistan

you use what ya got till ya take better ones from the enemy

glasses glasses <<<<--------hope they are not watching flowerforyou




The problem with using that thing in cali for an example. A good shot with a 9mm pistol could have ended it in 5min. The mistake of the police was they were going for body shots with 9mm ammo. If you take the head shot, its over. Also that was before they had access to high powered rifels. I you review the reports on that incedent they had to requisition ar-15 from a local gun shop. After those were obtained then they had them on the run in a matter of minuets. But it was pretty amazing to see someone smart enough to use body armor. On another matter. You also have to look at the number of soldiers that would either simply not obay the orders to fire on american civilians and also the soldiers that would desert all together. Ive talked to many many soldiers and every one of them said if given the order to fire on american civilians they would be more likely to shoot the one giving the order. So think of it this way you would have maby not entire basses but large amounts of soldiers fighting for our side. And when those soldiers desert do you not think that there going to arm and supply or even take over the base, depending on how many, before going awol. They would know that if they are going to leave they would have two choices, hide which most probably are not willing to do, or fight. Also think of this, one sniper can wreak havoc on the battlefield. You have a couple of million rednecks in this country that are use to making long(several hundred yards) shots with there rifles, so instead of one or two snipers, you would have hundreds at a time.

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Sat 03/15/08 01:35 AM
Edited by rayne5 on Sat 03/15/08 01:36 AM

if anybody dosen't vote it is because they see that they really don't and can't get enough facts to actually be informed, as all the data we have float downhill from the top....we are already in trouble


Theres no point in voting becouse our vote only counts for two things jack and sh*it. You want proof. Take a look at either last election or the first bush election. (i cant remember which it was) The people voted aginst bush and he lost the popular vote but he won the electoral college vote and so we were stuck with bush wheather we wanted him or not.

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Fri 03/14/08 11:30 PM
Edited by rayne5 on Fri 03/14/08 11:30 PM


noway Good Lord if all the officers were like you we'd be speaking Arabic jibberish (if we still had a head)


Talk about buying the fearmongering of this administrationnoway huh


So thats the fear mongering you talk about??? Well I gess the bodies my brother found of fellow marines beheaded and mutilated, (i wont elaberate how out of respect) were planted by the fear mongering bush admin. noway noway Dont get me wrong I think bush should burn in he*ll but so should most of the polititions.

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Fri 03/14/08 11:24 PM

Wow. 42 people died in Iraq? That would be amazing if the crime in the U.S. was that low.


yea i know. Put that beside the death statistics of the US and I bet the violence dosent seem so bad.

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Fri 03/14/08 11:22 PM


Does anyone find it a little disturbing that when we first wanted to go in and remove saddam the un was basicly saying, no no leave him alone yet now that we have removed the threat they are willing to go in and attempt to do their job. It's a little retarded that they only go in when they see fit, which seem to be after the job is done.
I think they are willing to go clean up our mess and end some of the violence and suffering. It too bad we were not welcomed as liberators as both Bush and Cheneye predicted and there probly will be no peace unless we commit genocide or leave


Wow commit genocide or leave, Theres some good choices. grumble grumble Ive heard of extreamist thinking but that is bordering on fanatical. As far as ending the violence and suffering... I dont think so. When has the un ever ended anything. They alwas step in after the sh*it has hit the fan and is starting to fall. Even when it was osama that was our main target the un wouldnt back us. I bet if it was the un headcorters that was hit and not the trade center they would have sent troops.

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Fri 03/14/08 11:06 PM
Edited by rayne5 on Fri 03/14/08 11:08 PM


What good do these stupid laws do when we're the only ones following them? These fanatical Islamic SOB's want nothing more than to cut your head off because you're an American, or blow your children up while they're in school, or cut your fingers off and send them to your momma! These people do not understand the right way to act and they are indoctrinated at a young age to hate Americans. All they understand is violence and I say untie the military's hands and give it to 'em! While people like you are worried about water torture, these animals are killing your soldiers and my brothers and sisters and everybody else sent over there to try and help them! Freakin' Communist Idiot!mad explode


We shouldn't be there anyway. But the soldiers know what they do when they enroll, I hope, and nothing you said here justifies torture anyway.

Torture is not punishment for criminal acts by our laws. Torture is a form of illiciting information and it is illegal and should not be done, ever. I don't care what scum of the earth you are talking about. We are civilized, not animals and we should act as though we use our brain. Torture is not and should never be considered an option for us.


Tell me dragon, is it lonely in that little idealist world of yours. You have very skewed views on torture. Im not for every type of torture becouse I know where to draw the line. But when you think that being locked in a 8x8 cell is torture then you have no buisness discussing the topic. It also seems that when you think of torture you seem to automaticly think of physical torture. Some of the best torturers never have to touch the people being interogated. Yet when the police do the same thing to a murder suspect its called interagation not torture.

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Fri 03/14/08 03:57 AM



I have a perfect solution to the problem of the president. We hire a voodoo witch doctor to reserect teddy roosevelt. He was the last worthwhile pres. we had. laugh laugh laugh



Personally I'd have thought JFK.



However getting back to Obama. If he has a Pastor, was married by the Pastor, had his children baptized by this Pastor. Why have we seen threads where he is called a Muslim? Make up my mind here. I am trying to get a handle on all this but with all the mudslinging from both sides small wonder nobody can make an 'informed' opinion and decision.





Obama was a Muslim, but when he decided to go into politics, he became Christian since he felt he couldn't make it politically as a Muslim.

Thats what bothers me about him (among other things) he always tries to hide the fact that he was muslim. If he didnt do anything wrong and wasnt planning on it in the future he wouldnt have worried what his religion was. just my .02. Dont realy care what religion he is personaly.

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Fri 03/14/08 03:53 AM
Just so you dont get any ideas that im speaking out my as*s
Brother-USMC one of the first to step foot in that desert.
Good friend from highschool-Army rangers-2 tours
3more friends from school- USMC- 2infantry/1medic
I think ive got you trumpted. Im outa hear see yall tomarrow night.

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Fri 03/14/08 03:44 AM
Wow you really dont have anything to backup what you say do you? And yes your kind you know idealists. But I digress im finished with this conversation becouse now that there is an idealist in the mix the only responce ill get is your hideing behind this and male posturing that. Do the world a favor do some research, no better yet talk to some soldiers that have been there about what kind of torture the enemy uses and see what you think. And if you still say that there is no difference in what we do and what they do, do everyone a favor and tell that soldier to there face becouse im sure they wont give a second thought to slaping the shi*t out of you.

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