I wasn’t asking you for "help" I rattled off a few passages from the bible that were directed at women and quite hateful and you insisted that you weren’t sure about that but that you could "put me in touch with a female Christian."

My question is how can we know that you have read the bible at all when you didnt recognize those passages?

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How do we know you have read the bible? I asked you about some of those misogynist passages and you acted confused and said you "would need to place me in contact with a female Christian."

There you go again.

Have you not your own words to say what you want to say?
Do you have to shove bible verses down my throat?
What you post is not an argument for religion, it's an argument against it, because it teaches us not to think for ourselves, not to speak in our own words, and worst of all, not to be ourselves.

Well, I'm not saved.
And I surely have no wish to be as long as you argue with verses of the same bible that makes me question Christianity.
And it is an argument you will never win, because the harder you push, the greater my resolve.

One of the lost books of the bible...found!

2nd Hezekiah Chapter 4 verses 4-7
(4)“...and thou shalt not taketh my words literally, but shall knoweth that I speak of enlightenment from a gnostic sense. Verily, it pains me to see my children rammeth their version of the truth down my other children’s throats. (5) I do hopeth, even now, that the scribes who are coping down my words (as spoken through the mad, lice-ridden prophet that I’ve chosen for this week’s mouthpiece) will removeth only the swear words and not change my message too much. Thou knowest, as do all who have played telephone, that the original message often get’s lost in translation. (6) Thou must wonder why I have chosen men to write down my message. I am thy Creator, yes, and I am all-powerful. However......I seem to have misplaced my pen. (7) So......while I am searching for it all I ask you, my children, is to not argue over the different translations of my words, persecute or try to “save” others, or do something as stupid as go to war in my name. Also, I’m not God the Father. I’m God the Mother. Hopefully I can find my pen soon before these scribes mess everything up and try to make this a patriarchal, narrow-minded religion. Love, Mother.
P.S. Stop searching for Jesus. I already found him. He was behind the couch the whole time.”

But the xians formulated the doctrine of Immaculate Conception to specifically state she was born without sin and the Assumption to specifically state that she did not die, but ascended into heaven.

I am confused about and Xianity. For example, if the wages of sin is and therefore The Catholic Church once it proclaimed that mary was born without sin then had to claim she arose bodily into heaven (because no sin-no ). And if Jesus forgave you of all your sins, then how come so many Xians are dying. I mean I am seeing people die, who never even died before.

Are you really serious? You have no proof or reason to believe any of that except that you choose to because it makes you feel better.

You will not be victorious over the grave. I have seen many baptists such as yourself succumb to the grave. I have seen them crying over their lost loved ones as if death is a bad thing. If what they claim is truth, then they would rejoice when their loved ones die. Instead, they wail and cry and fear death just like anyone else.

Are you really serious? You have no proof or reason to believe any of that except that you choose to because it makes you feel better.

You will not be victorious over the grave. I have seen many baptists such as yourself succumb to the grave. I have seen them crying over their lost loved ones as if death is a bad thing. If what they claim is truth, then they would rejoice when their loved ones die. Instead, they wail and cry and fear death just like anyone else.

....and so what's your point?

I have read the Bible for myself.

Why do you think that people who have rejected the Bible haven't read it?

You keep pulling out all these quotes of demagoguery and impolitely ramming them in the face of others.

Why not pulling out the quotes where God tells people to stone their unruly children to death?

Clearly you choice of verses to quote is extremely biased.

Moreover, what makes you think that other people feel like they need salvation?

What have you done that makes you so sure that God is upset with you?

I don't have any reason to believe that my creator is upset with me, and therefore the idea that I need to seek salavtion is utterly silly.

Yet you continue to insult people by telling them to read the Bible when in fact you have no clue what they might have already read or studied in depth.

That's quite arrogant of you.

Isaac Newton studied the Bible in great depth and came to the conclusion the Jesus could not have been the son of the God of Abraham.

Albert Einstein rejected the religion after having studied it.

Carl Sagan rejected the religion.

Richard Feynman rejected the religion.

In fact, there are many wise men who have rejected the religion as being totally foolish and obviously ungodly.

Do you think those men were rejecting God.

I think not.

Finally, you're not supposed to use these forums as a free podium to preach one specific religion.

Clearly you don't have the credentials or capacity to teach the religion though the proper channels.

It's against the rules to proselytize a religion on these forums. Do Christians not believe in obeying rules?

Obviously not. That's the only thing that truly comes through loud and clear, Christians have no respect for rules.

They think they are above the rules, and that's precisely what make their religion DANGEROUS.

Finally, you must think God is pretty pathetic if he needs you do save souls for him. That would truly be a pathetic and helpless God.

Don't you have any faith in God to save the people who DESERVE to be saved?

Obviously NOT.

As far as I'm concerned, any religion that needs to be proselytized by man cannot possibly be from God.

It's as simple as that.

ask yourself, did paul call himself a christian or chief of the sinners???

wonder why???

if man was less knowing then before christ came in days past, then should not any that be "of christ, be just as more knowing of such things that create divide and seperation of peoples as even more than christ was then???

the exact reason the book say that any that read to try to find "a saviour for self", will find it for sure, BUT IF ONE LAY DOWN ONE'S LIFE, as christ said to do, as HE DID, even unto dewath to stand against what created divide, then how does one SEEK THEN A SAVIOUR FOR SELF IN THE FIRST PLACE???

all are to be more knowing now........

if christ said it was most good to lay down one's life for chrsit, then is it not for the belief's that christ spoke, which was to lay down one's life for a friend???

how is not your life your belief's, as these are what decide what is good or bad of your life, what guide each step of each action of self???

how is a devoted life to christ, telling others how they are NOT OF CHRIST, when to devote to christ, would be to devote to the same beleif as christ, that said the same as 'your neighbor you consider as less or least, is who is christ', in the saying, "what thou has done unto the least of these, you have done unto me"???

your belief is most dedicated to making self what it "think" christ thought of itself???

when all words out of christ mouth were most ALL ARE EQUAL, and there were only words of anger and despising for only those that said, "these" are of god, and "those" are not, based on laws of spiritual goodness as some actions or words???

these if i recall be the only one's entreated with anything but kind words from christ???

hum.....

might want to inspect some of those things the mind called the roaring lion by your own text brought you on a silver platter???

"here, take and eat, for you are good, and washed it say, and are of me, but hey, check out those over there"....

"see, off in the distance, the great evil less than yourself ever there, and awh, come here closer my beloved of myself, for they are here in your own house as well, so are you going to allow such unholiness to exist in your presence good steward of me???

"cast out the evil from them, dear blessed son of mine that has believed on me, and speak to them the light you have seen, and save them from what you sought saving from"???

"you have i blessed and gave the keys to heaven and hell, dear preacher of me and of goodness"???

yea, nothing recieve the keys to life which is awareness, less it decend to hell first, just as your christ did, and anything that decend to hell itself, has been scorched by the eternal flame, and not just by the everlasting flame of mortal, and no longer see flame thru fear as not good, and not then even as most good???

so the tails of the mind of heaven and hell were as told backwards, just as your text say, "what is up is down, and down is up", and anything that hear god so then hear this as well???

so up as down learn hell is actually heaven, and heaven is actually hell, and only this knowing within self, be any proof for self to know it was found, and found nothing???

the roaring lion the mind was also called belief of satan???

What's the point of force feeding us the bible, and then, when we question things, to tell us we will understand when we have turned to Jesus?
There really isn't one, is there?
So why do you keep doing it?
It's not what Jesus would have done.

How ironic.

Hear, hear! Also living in the Bible Belt, and having originally moved here from the NE, I can vouch for the fact that it is deeply insulting to have someone you don't know telling you that you need to "give your life to Christ". My beliefs are personal; the OP doesn't know whether or not I am a "good Christian".

If the other person is a long time respected friend, who has led an admirable life, and we get on the topic of how religion has shaped that life, well...that's a different matter.

Christ wanted people to lead through example and spread his teachings that way. He didn't want perfect strangers trying to force feed it to unwilling recipients. "Unwilling" being the word of the importance.