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Wed 11/26/14 06:53 PM

So the defenseless get hurt and their property destroyed? Self defense laws cover protecting someone else and someone else's property as well.


I find that hilarious. Self defense can only be initiated when there is a threat or intimate fear of a threat. Inciting to riot cancels all of that as that is the threat.

And just what protection of property prevails when one set of crazies line up on the street and another set of crazies arrive to challenge? There is no way any protection can be claimed, just the possibility of even more damage and danger.

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Wed 11/26/14 06:42 PM

Clearly the statutes have to do with the law since they are the law. Look up the 171 and 200 laws. It's pretty simple you cant match force with reasonable force. I use the 171's daily, arrest by private person.

John Doe enters a store grabs and conceals a bottle of liquor in his pants and walks out the door. Store employee Sam Smith approaches him and identifies himself as a store employee, Doe tells Smith to F off and pushes Smith. Smith can use reasonable force to make a citizens arrest, which usually starts with a physical redirection and if that doesn't work Smith takes Doe to the ground and restrains him. Doe then gets charged with strong armed robbery for using force or the threat of force to retain stolen items.

Same scenario. Doe hits Smith, Smith hits back and knocks Doe out and restrains him. It is legally self defense as long as Smith doesn't keep hitting Doe after the threat is neutralized.

Same scenario. Smith takes Doe to the ground to restrain him, Doe pulls out a knife during the struggle and Smith then starts punching, using more force or possibly using a control move on Doe (like a headlock, which is legal but most companies don't allow it). Still legal under self defense laws and Doe goes to jail for Armed Robbery.

Same scenario. Smith approaches Doe and starts hitting him before any other interaction. Smith would be the one more then likely going to jail.

Same Scenario. Doe is restrained for the theft, while restrained Smith hits Doe. Smith is going to jail.


Hate to break your little bubble but statutes are far from laws, they are color of law, legal. But if you want law then refer to the state constitution, Article 1, Section 1. That is the law.

And that is one screwed up constitution but what can one expect, it was during the tenure of Lincoln, after the republic was abolished and the corporate state started.

Refer to: Congress Adjourns Sine Die March 27th 1861, the day the constitution died.

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Wed 11/26/14 12:03 PM


Nothing much needs added here....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw#t=91


Hey, fixed the link. I love that one, wow up to 3.7 million views.

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Wed 11/26/14 11:56 AM

are you sure you have read the same Constitution everyone else has read?bigsmile


I think you're question is on much too high a level when "same" is instilled.

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Wed 11/26/14 11:54 AM

go look it up...

i don't care about quoting exact...

total semantics of "right and wrong"...

the guys not alive anyhow, and if he were, i can assure you, he would understand completely the essence of my point...

just google "love thy enemy"...


That seems very obvious, why be exact when generalities are so convenient and keeps one from ever being pinned down on taking a stand.

Right and wrong, it's all about morality. It's not right versus left. It's right versus wrong.

A deep understanding of morality, principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong behavior, lies at the very heart of natural law. What morality actually means is common sense. It is the ability to understand the difference between right and wrong that describes common sense.

Another way of saying this law would be to say that the presence of truth and morality in the lives of the people of any given society is inversely proportional to the presence of tyranny and slavery in that society. True freedom can never exist in a society that embraces "Moral Relativism" (the idea that there is no inherent and objective difference between right and wrong, so humanity may arbitrarily "create" or "decide" right and wrong for themselves).


anyhow...

one would be mistaken if they think Benjamin Franklin is some great knower of wisdom, more than any other involved in the creation of the US government, or any president since...

which is why you have not learned anything from them...

except you think them dishonorable...


Mistaken, only if one were to suffer from the understanding of morality, the disease of Moral Relativism. Those so inclined to ignore history is destined to repeat it.


in case you have not noticed, the CONSTITUTION BE WHAT CREATED THE MESS WE HAVE JUST NOW...

the constitution is/was better than some previous forms of government, but still flawed dramatically.

but one is still looking back 238 years for what it needs to know NOW???


The constitution created nothing outside a written trust for the benefit of the people. It is but pieces of parchment and incapable of creating a mess, that prospect is left to the unwashed masses that have forsaken morality for entitlements as a reflection of just how depraved Moral Relativism can get and sadly, it still hasn't reach bottom but it wont be long.

It is not the constitution that is flawed, it is the illiteracy of the unwashed masses. As was so elegantly stated by the founders, they gave us a republic but it was up to the people to guard their own liberty. It is only an idiot that forsakes history and pretends that lessons of the past have no meaning. And it seems pretty obvious just where we stand here.


one should have been learning from all sources as equal, none biased, taking in all data since then, assimilating it all into one final sum being continually added to each moment in time...


No argument with the base assumption here, the argument is in the assimilation of the information into an intelligent conclusion as not all is equal when measured in reality. That is where Moral Relativism comes into being. It is hard to apply the appropriate weight when there is no ability to separate right from wrong.


every conflict since the founding of the usa, is the fault of a flawed platform of governance called the US constitution...

every last war, every last conflict, every last unequal, every last bit of racism, every foul thing one see now, all do to poor insight of not defining as necessary to eliminate such pitfalls and create the desired outcome...

if i make an agreement with you, and it creates war and conflict, than my agreement was not good enough, if creating good for two was the purported goal...


And this is where without hesitation that I can declare your logic totally flawed. You state it a flawed platform and I say where? Oh, I forgot, there is no necessity to be exact, just general.


one needs to re-examine all it self is founding it's principles on...

they bare principles that created EVERYTHING YOU SAY YOU DESPISE THAT EXIST NOW.


Not really, the founding principles are very sound. The re-examination is where did they go? The question is where is the republic? I do not despise the principles of a republic, just the lack of those principles that exist now. Unfortunately, without understanding morals and liberty, little would be understood of how today is not what was created but the result of an immoral and slave based society.


anywho...

you surely will not seek to prove how my words on the matter are correct, since you deem your self the wiser.

you think me misguided, i think you misguided...

we shall see who creates what each wishes.

i guess that will have to be the tell.

as it always is in life.


Sir, I do not have to think, I know and misguided would not be the operative word. And to even think to try and "prove" a negative, that is the task for a fool and idiot so please feel free, I'll pass. As to document that you are incorrect, that I have been doing all along.

As for misguided, as they say, "the proof is in the pudding", in this case wanting to be exact instead of generalities. it is always in the eyes of the beholder to determine the validity of any knowledge. I provide the means of establishing a link to that knowledge so that any thinking beholder may either accept or reject that knowledge depending upon their analysis. I want to dictate to no one but to offer to all. I ask no one to believe anything I say, but to verify and accept on their own.

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Wed 11/26/14 10:58 AM

At the federal level, Article II of the United States Constitution (Section 4) states that "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors." The House of Representatives has the sole power of impeaching, while the United States Senate has the sole power to try all impeachments. The removal of impeached officials is automatic upon conviction in the Senate. In Nixon v. United States (1993), the Supreme Court determined that the federal judiciary cannot review such proceedings.


Article II of our constitution only covers the Executive department and Section 4 prescribes the methodology and reasons for removal from office, nothing else.

However, the proceedings are contained in Article I, the legislative branch. It is within Section 2, the establishment of the House, that the constitution sets the sole power for Articles of Impeachment. It is Section 3, the establishment of the Senate, that the constitution sets the sole power of trying Impeachment and establishes the penalty for being Impeached. It also establishes the chief justice to preside over the Impeachment of the President.

Article III of our constitution covers the judiciary. The only mention here is to annotate that all crimes are by jury except for Impeachment as a reminder the power of Impeachment was delegated elsewhere.

But again I am impressed that American civics are taught in parts of the world but not here. It always amazes me that the republican form of government is so well understood that one would choose a democracy and preach the merits of republicanism.


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Wed 11/26/14 10:33 AM

op hahahah funny ... I believe I will stay a Democrat even though I may not like some of what they do... sometimes on the larger issues things seem to get done... and I am very happy a lot of laws got passed ... 2016 dems will start taking back their party and get it more together for the run of the presidency ... I won't be joining you ...:smile:


Birds of a feather, not much different from the OP except he is under the illusion that the red team is for him and would do a better job even though there are more than a century of history that shows otherwise. Just so there is no misunderstanding, the blue team is also part of that long and illustrious history, except mush more dangerous, albeit:

Wilson - sold the nation out to the banks and then WWI as their reward.

Roosevelt - New deal, firmly entrenched socialism and pressed Japan so we could be a part of WWII, another concessions to the bankers to share in the bounty of war.

Truman - Gave us the atomic age, used atomic devices to subdue a nation, then gave us the United Nations and Israel followed by the Korean War. And let's not forget that wonderous Marshall Plan, have to reward those bankers.

Johnson - Another great war monger, escalation of Vietnan but then he gave all the little slaves "Civil Rights" because god knows natural rights were being stolen right and left. And with Civil Rights, of course let's socialize medicine and give the masses Medicaid and Medicare. But don't forget the Pueblo and the attempt to start another war.

Carter - while nothing notable really happened under Carter except inept bungling, many are not aware that it was Carter and his "deregulation" wave that started the defanging of Glass - Steagall as a reward to the bankers that culminated in our current state of affairs.

Clinton - Good old Slick Willie gave us the new definition of sexual relations. But on the people front, let's not forget NAFTA and the start of the jobs exodus, well let's not stop there, industry exodus from these borders. Good jobs to Mexico, McDonald's for citizens. And let's not forget, he and Hilary tried to socialize medicine but it took someone special to pull that off.

Odumbo - Not even going to go here as his "accomplishments" are so well known.

And the Repugnantcons, I'm not even going to go there, this was bad enough, now excuse me while I go upchuck.

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Wed 11/26/14 09:34 AM

That poses the interesting intellectual questions ... Could Biden be a worst President than Obama?

What would Biden do if President? Saying stupid things is a given but does that necessarily confer stupid action?


Would you bet your life on that? While Odumbo will push the envelope, just imagine Uncle Joe if he conceived himself the dictator. Would he "nuke" Congress because they were in his way even though he lived down the block?

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Wed 11/26/14 09:28 AM

That and there could be more riots. Anything is an excuse to riot.


Oh, they don't need an excuse, they are entitled to make any claim upon the rights and property of another. After all, they have a government with the guns to "protect" them.

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Wed 11/26/14 09:26 AM

An impeachment is a formal indictment by the U.S. House of Representatives. By itself, it is merely an extreme reprimand.

Bill Clinton was impeached while he was POTUS, but his impeachment didn't result in him being kicked out of the White House.

Impeachment is the first half of a process to remove a person from public office. A trial and conviction by the U.S. Senate make up the second half.

Without the Senate trial and conviction, an impeachment will not result in a federal official being removed from office.


Wow, you should join the BAR.

An impeachment is a formal indictment, not a reprimand, should have stopped while you were ahead. It is the House acting in a capacity like a Grand Jury and submitting a "True Bill" based on the evidence, except in this case it is deemed "Articles of Impeachment".

And the Articles of Impeachment is but a confirmation of the charges within the Articles (the indictment) that carries a special sentence if the Senate Impeaches (convicted), that of removal from office and disqualification to hold any position of honor(like honor was involved in the first place) and no other. But to go further requires a "real" grand jury and a criminal "True Bill" or unjustly, being charged with a presentment from an "Attorney" pretending to have some mystical authority.

It is so nice to know that schools outside this country teach US civics and our constitution because god knows they stopped doing that here a century and a half ago.

And of course looking in a law dictionary to see what actual words mean would just be an extreme effort when it is so much easier to pretend to understand, and "standing under" is normally what happens.

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Wed 11/26/14 09:11 AM


Joe Biden.
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:




The only difference is that Jeff's dummy needs to be controlled and nobody has as yet figured out how to unwind Odumbo's dummy.

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Wed 11/26/14 08:46 AM
In Memoriam
Edmund Cadwalader Evans

A sound economist, one of the few who understand the nature of the state.

Be it or be it not true that Man is shapen in iniquity and conceived in sin, it is unquestionably true that Government is begotten of aggression, and by aggression. -- Herbert Spencer, 1850.

This is the gravest danger that today threatens civilization: State intervention, the absorption of all spontaneous social effort by the State; that is to say, of spontaneous historical action, which in the long-run sustains, nourishes and impels human destinies. -- Jose Ortega y Gasset, 1922.

It [the State] has taken on a vast mass of new duties and responsibilities; it has spread out its powers until they penetrate to every act of the citizen, however secret; it has begun to throw around its operations the high dignity and impeccability of a State religion; its agents become a separate and superior caste, with authority to bind and loose, and their thumbs in every pot. But it still remains, as it was in the beginning, the common enemy of all well-disposed, industrious and decent men. -- Henry L. Mencken, 1926.

From the book, Our Enemy, The State Albert Jay Nook, 1935. This is not a new phenomea but it has progressed to a very wary extent over a century and a half or actually more than that. In reality, we were warned by our founders even as they established and ordained this mess.

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Tue 11/25/14 11:19 PM
Edited by alnewman on Tue 11/25/14 11:17 PM

the point is there are MANY TRILLIONS UPON TRILLIONS of happening in the world...

so the happenings one PICKS from ALL THE MEGA TRILLIONS OF HAPPENINGS, be the one's that ONLY prove what one self first WISHED TO PROVE.

hence, why quoting data from only SOME people, and not taking data from ALL THE PEOPLE, show the extreme bias...

data taken selectively to prove one's own methods and belief's are pure and sensible...

ALL DATA WOULD HAVE TO BE USED TO CREATE ANYTHING GOOD FOR "ALL".

using only "some data" out of ALL DATA be just talking a small part of what be available...

but when one is talking about anarchy, treason and revolution, small success is equivalent to TOTAL LOSS.

the same as quoting Jesus, as if one wishes to quote jesus as some authority for it's own actions, than one would need to take all words spoken...

as that which live by the sword die by the sword...

and turn the other cheek...

and love thy ENEMY as one self...

as of course, if one loved it's enemy, it would not SEE IT AS AN ADVERSARY, SO NOT CREATE MORE OF THE SAME COMPLAINTS IT HAS ABOUT IT'S PERCEIVED ADVERSARY.





And what is the point? Is there one at all or just rantings?

And if you are going to try and quote Jesus, you should attempt to get it right, hence the benefit of quotes.


And suddenly, one of those who were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword, struck the servant of the high priest, and cut off his ear. Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword." (Matthew 26:51-52)

But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:39)

But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; (Matthew 5:44)


And of course, using them out of context would lead to many a false conclusion. For example, where does it state that one can be be an adversary? It doesn't. And the claim that it's all or none is just pure lunacy, that would deem that thought would not be possible.


An entirely different meaning

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Tue 11/25/14 10:51 PM

your allowing others to nthink for oyu, since oyu are basing all you THINK, on what has been told to self, and READ FROM OTHERS.

that is why you quote quote quote others...

such only shows these are not conclusions based on ONE SELF, but rather conclusions based upon on who self was told to think of as smart, from others.

so who is htinkjing for them self?


Sir, the key is to gain knowledge and to infuse that knowledge in a process called critical thinking. Within that aspect, you are required to research in order to gain the information needed to gain that knowledge. Quotes are but paths that lead to the assimilation of that knowledge into thoughts and allows others to either follow or dispute.

But then, you disclaim all that. There is a definition for not wanting to go outside one's self to seek knowledge:

Solipsism

From the Latin adjective solus: "alone" and the Latin pronoun ipse: "self".

The ideology that only one's own mind is sure to exist. Solipsists contend that knowledge of anything outside of one's own mind is unsure, hence there is no such thing as objective truth, and nothing about the external world and it's workings can actually be known.

A perception they are god. Solipsist are mentally ill.

I prefer to progressively build a knowledge base by listening to many different percepts and then to use my intelligence to weigh and infuse that information into concise knowledge. I have no intent to proclaim to be god but to use that which was given me to move forward.

So to answer your question, I would state myself that is capable of thinking, otherwise it is just dictating. Myself that is searching for knowledge so as not to remain ignorant by ignoring it.


An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest.

Life biggest tragedy is that we get old too soon and wise too late.

Slavery is such an atrocious debasement of human nature, that its very extirpation, if not performed with solicitous care, may sometimes open a source of serious evils. The unhappy man who has been treated as a brute animal, too frequently sinks beneath the common standard of the human species. The galling chains, that bind his body, do also fetter his intellectual faculties, and impair the social affections of his heart… To instruct, to advise, to qualify those, who have been restored to freedom, for the exercise and enjoyment of civil liberty… and to procure for their children an education calculated for their future situation in life; these are the great outlines of the annexed plan, which we have adopted.

The only thing that is more expensive than education is ignorance.

How few there are who have courage enough to own their faults, or resolution enough to mend them.

Reading makes a full man, meditation a profound man, discourse a clear man.

-The profound wisdom of Ben Franklin


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Tue 11/25/14 10:14 PM

You probably typed the last sentence, but you copied and pasted the rest from Passio again. Are you simply that incapable of formulating your thoughts that you insist on using other people's work and without citations attempting to pass it off as your own? It's really phucking pathetic, but that pretty much sums you up.


Really, did you come up with that on your own? My thoughts are pretty much expressed there as Mark is my teacher but then some of us are capable of learning and others are not:

Teachability

An individuals teachability, or their ability to learn by way of being taught by someone else, is extremely dependent upon the open-mindedness or close-mindedness of the individual being taught. Low teachability derives from arrogance and rigid skepticism, but also from naivet� and gullibility. High teachability derives from a balance between healthy skepticism and an open-minded willingness to learn and change.

Go to the beginning of the lecture and you will find this. And yes I do take great notes, especially after studying that lecture many many many times. Of course I have listened to many others by him but this is the root of knowledge but then that may be a little hard for you to understand.

And by the way, do you have anything at all to add? I know that you do not have the ability to dispute any of the facts as you never do. And I know from your statement that you know little about Mark Passio so let me share a direct quote from him:


None of the information contained within this web site or in the presentation are my own ideas or beliefs. It is simply information about the world in which we live that I have come to understand and that I feel others could benefit by also understanding.

So thank you very much for visiting my site. If you find any of the information contained on these pages of value to your life, please feel free to share it widely, and recommend the site to others.


But then if you knew anything of Mark's work, he does not like copyrights and extends to all to use freely. But the real attribute is having the intelligence to be able to use what is learned in life, but then some will never learn anything outside that wonderous indoctrination.

So rant your little heart out, I could care less. It just lends to my objective anyway.

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Tue 11/25/14 09:12 PM



I am still waiting for SOMEone, ANYone to comment on the difference in the "lack of justice" as it occurred in October 1995 vs. how it was delivered in November 2014.


What lack of justice, now or then? Are you aware of what justice is?

Obviously not or you would understand justice was served in both instances. Of course it would be impossible for one believing that perception is somehow truth. Let me help with that understanding, with some exceptions of course, there would be no help there.

Truth vs Perception

Truth is objective, meaning that it is not based on perceptions of human beings (which is capable of wavering). Truth is simply that which is. It is that which has occurred in the past and that which is occurring in the present. That which is. No such thing as truth in the future.

Perception is not reality, but our work is to align the two, truth and perception.

"I've come to realize that the biggest problem anywhere in the world is that people's perceptions of reality are compulsively filtered through the screening mesh of what they want, and do not want, to be true." - Travis Walton



Published on Mar 9, 2014

TRUTH is OBJECTIVE, meaning that it is NOT based on the perceptions of human beings (which is capable of wavering). Truth is simply that which is. It is that which has occurred in the past and that which is occurring in the present. That Which Is.

Perception Is NOT Reality. But our Work is to align the two.

An excerpt from Mark Passio's phenomenal lecture entitled: "Natural Law - The REAL Law Of Attraction And How To Apply It In Your Life."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I58Tu-yym0w


Wow, I'm impressed by the use of goggle to pull up an excerpt but still no understanding of the actual concept. Yes, it is part of the teaching of Mark Passio but from an almost 9 hour lecture in New Haven, Ct. on October 19, 2013 in conjunction with Richard Grove of Tragedyy and Hope magazine / [url}http://www.tragedyandhope.com. Of course there is no need to even ask if you have taken benefit from the lecture, of course not.

I am a very devout pupil of both Richard Grove and Mark Passio and like to live up to my commitment of learning and promoting the natural law, but then we have been here before and nothing has changed. With nothing to add, there is no option but to ignore knowledge.

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Tue 11/25/14 08:45 PM

as opposed to what?

when EXACTLY is the 'best' time for them to arrive and what EXACTLY should they say and do when they are there

perhaps minglers should write them with their proposals,,,laugh


What opposed to what? Not to worry, they know when there time is, and exactly what to say and do, it will already be rehearsed and choreographed long before then.

Sure, go right ahead.

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Tue 11/25/14 08:43 PM

I made no statement on the grand jury, or whether they were properly instructed or properly understood,,, what they 'ignored' or didn't no one but them can know


a grand jury TRIES no one , they only decide if a case will go to trial,


although from the prosecutors display , you would never know it...lol


anyhow,
I made statement in reference to the comparison between 1995 and today


Any excuse, all based on perception while totally ignoring any semblance of truth. Grand Juries aren't instructed, especially these color of law grand juries. The DA presents the Grand Jury with a "bill of indictment". From that they question any and all witnesses and make a determination of either "True Bill", the evidence proved the bill or "No Bill", the evidence did not prove the bill.

And of course, let's just ignore the fact that all the evidence was released which in and of itself is highly unusual. But what they did agree upon is that Brown should have been indited if he were alive. But of course that little truth is inconvenient to your perception of truth.

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Tue 11/25/14 08:29 PM

I in no way support the violence and looting, it is stupid and idiotic and the total OPPOSITE of furthering the cause for police accountability


but I do totally understand the frustration of seeing police NOT be held accountable

and for the death of our children being left as something insignificant and unworthy of questioning or accountability


And we drop another level of depravity. This nation lets the guilty go free but persecute the innocent, an indication of the level of depravity this country has stooped. A nation where an innocent homeless person is gunned down right on video and all the nation has to say is ahhh.

To a level where a pure thug is promoted as mom and apple pie and everyone is up in arms. To a level where all the fellow thugs see as an opportunity to take and damage the property of another because...

And if your child is a thug, they deserve to be gunned down post haste before they can damage the innocent, that's accountability.

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Tue 11/25/14 08:23 PM

here is where 1995 and 2014 varied

1995, although it was the trial of one OJ Simpson, it DID GO TO TRIAL

and to those in LA it was a trial of the corruption of the LAPD

and for once, the POLICE were held accountable


in 2014, once again, it didn't even go to trial

the police were excused,,,,


All perception, where is the truth? Actually, how do the two even coincide?

The first went to trial but due to the ineptitude of the LAPD could not be found criminally guilty, justice was served. Then came the civil case and again justice was served. No perception, no what one wants to be true, only what was proven or not proven.

The second was but a travesty of public opinion based on race. Here you have a thug (documented by grand jury) that is held up as a hero by the unwashed masses that now want to ruin a man's life for actually doing his duty. If Wilson is guilty of anything, it would be dereliction of duty for having to use 10 or 11 shots. It should have only been three, two to the heart and one to the head to wrap it up. He wasted seven bullets.

Now looking at some of the other videos about Wilson, he like all police officers have some mistaken idea they have some authority. But in this case, with this individual, he was correctly behaving as a peace officer and restored the peace in the only manner allowed by a young thug.

Now everyone is shouting civil suite except the man that should be shouting it, Wilson, he is the injured party and has every right to claim justice.