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Topic: Atheists. Is is wrong to tell people there is not God?
ae1973's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:09 PM
For any other godless ones out there...
One of my believer friends is always trying to "save me". She is fun and nice in other ways, so I just tell her to knock it off. Doesn't bother me. But I have never tried to convince others that there is no God. I guess because I think people believe in god for comfort. It would be like taking a security blanket away from someone and I guess I would feel bad. But I am torn because I fully believe the world would be a better place without religon. What have others done?

tiffanyraquel's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:12 PM
I am a Christian. My pastor said do not shove it down their throats. My best friend is Mormon and I am Lutheran. I do not believe she is a Christian under my beliefs, but she is a human being and my friend. I don't believe you can force anyone to believe what you do, but you can show them through example.flowerforyou

tiffanyraquel's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:14 PM
Oh and your right. Please do not try to take away our comfort in God. For most of us the world would seem hopeless. In the Bible God tells us that there will be peace one day. God is my comfort and my strength. sad

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:16 PM
if it's their belief then it's there belief....someone can tell me thre is no God but that's not my belief. Athiest can push their views down people's throats as much as Christians can. to me it's about respect. if someone wants to know what I think or if the topic comes up...i will say my beliefs. but as Christian we aren't supposed to force it on people. but aside from that...any belief or non belief in religion shouldn't force their views JMO

if you told her you don't want to hear it and she continues...then she's not showing you the respect as a friend. to Chrisitans..God wants people to come willingly...not to be forced into it or hog tied and drug there. Next time point out (I believe it is) Matthew 10:14 to her. maybe she doesn't realize how she comes across. there are people of many beliefs that are very excited about what they believe and get carried away sometimes. Good topic...hope this hepls some

TheLonelyWalker's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:19 PM
this is gonna be fun.
my serious point of view, any christian who persistenly keeps trying to converse somebody who does not one to convert, is a fundamentalist as far as i understand.

ae1973's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:20 PM
Thanks for your post. And thanks for your service to the country.

I wouldn't want to make anyone unhappy. I guess I am just a little over sensitive to people thinking I need to be fixed or there is something wrong with me if I don't believe. People even give my kid a hard time about it at school (public school mind you) and he is just a little boy. As many believers could imagine, I'm sure you would be bothered if people were always trying to convince you there was no God.

rgvguy's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:21 PM
I agree....the world would be a better place without religion......I mean as I understand it most wars are started because of religion....huh

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:21 PM
Matthew 10:14
Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet.

IMO this means if someone doesn't want to hear...then don't push it. so anyone forcing it on someone is going against the scripture. I'm christian but was brought up to respect other beliefs. IMO anyone that forces it or judges people, isn't very Christian like.

sethwyo's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:22 PM
A real christian would stop after being told, U might point this out 2 your friend, that is in the bible.
The world would be a better place without religon.
But religon dosnt only mean a belief in god, Many Things and/or ideas have become a religon to people, Global warming, No global warming, Even not believing in god is a religon, Some types of people always try 2 push their Lifestyles on others.

wouldee's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:23 PM
Edited by wouldee on Thu 04/24/08 05:24 PM
democratization is licentiousness.

assuming validity on the basis of a social contract is oxymoronic.


the choice appears better left to the individual conscience to determine whether or not autonomy is or is not guided or directed by external influences.

Religion is not the problem.

Judgement is by virtue of licentious context.

There will always exist the notion of 'god' in the human experience, since most recognize the dictates of conscience.

Hope that you can comprehend this and rest.


peace

flowerforyou :heart: bigsmile

ae1973's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:24 PM

A real christian would stop after being told, U might point this out 2 your friend, that is in the bible.
The world would be a better place without religon.
But religon dosnt only mean a belief in god, Many Things and/or ideas have become a religon to people, Global warming, No global warming, Even not believing in god is a religon, Some types of people always try 2 push their Lifestyles on others.
How is not believing in god a religion?

sethwyo's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:37 PM
Edited by sethwyo on Thu 04/24/08 05:38 PM


A real christian would stop after being told, U might point this out 2 your friend, that is in the bible.
The world would be a better place without religon.
But religon dosnt only mean a belief in god, Many Things and/or ideas have become a religon to people, Global warming, No global warming, Even not believing in god is a religon, Some types of people always try 2 push their Lifestyles on others.
How is not believing in god a religion?

You must not know what a religon is.
Some people make a religon of preaching global warming 2 everyone, Others have made a religon of preaching that there is no global warming 2 everyone, Right or wrong both groups are doing the same thing, thay both think that thay are right and everyone else is wrong. was WWI started over GOD? Wore the french trying 2 force the germans 2 believe in god? No. Nor in WWII, Nor korea, Nor viet nam, Nor the gulf. Satinisim Is a religon. Some police watch COPS religiously.

Dragoness's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:41 PM
If they can spout off about how god is going to send us all to hell and try to intimidate us with the fear of god then hell yea we can tell them there is no god. Or how about blame all of the godlessness in the world being the reason for all the "evil" in the world? Naw, what is good for the goose etc....

I believe in respect but religious folk who do not respect all people, religions, differences, etc... cannot get this respect from me until they give it.

yellowrose10's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:41 PM
plain and simple....you can't control what she says or does unless you tie her up and gag her. you have the choice here. you can chose to live with it, contiue to tell her to stop or stopa all or partial contact with her. if she wants to force things on people...that's up to her to do. if you don't like it...it's up to you to chose what you want to do. you can only answer or change yourself

tiffanyraquel's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:45 PM
Your not over-sensitive. Last time I checked, my beliefs, humans were not Gods and only God can judge. You seem really sweet. Your children are blessed to have a mother such as you. People who persecute others are " posers". There are many people who " claim " to be Christians, but they might want to go back and read the Scripture.

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Thu 04/24/08 05:47 PM


A real christian would stop after being told, U might point this out 2 your friend, that is in the bible.
The world would be a better place without religon.
But religon dosnt only mean a belief in god, Many Things and/or ideas have become a religon to people, Global warming, No global warming, Even not believing in god is a religon, Some types of people always try 2 push their Lifestyles on others.
How is not believing in god a religion?




Religious people like to say other things are a religion so that they can attack them. Of course Atheism isn't a religion and either is science. They are trying to say "you hold on to beliefs that make you feel good just like I do"

It is not the same as religion.

The issue with Christians is that they feel they have the one true answer so they are usually just talking because of their excitement for what they feel religion has brought them and the fact that they are taught to proselytize.
So all that being said I think our only solution is to tell people how great it is to live as an atheist. It is important that people start knowing we are here and are doing good.

ae1973's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:48 PM



A real christian would stop after being told, U might point this out 2 your friend, that is in the bible.
The world would be a better place without religon.
But religon dosnt only mean a belief in god, Many Things and/or ideas have become a religon to people, Global warming, No global warming, Even not believing in god is a religon, Some types of people always try 2 push their Lifestyles on others.
How is not believing in god a religion?

You must not know what a religon is.
Some people make a religon of preaching global warming 2 everyone, Others have made a religon of preaching that there is no global warming 2 everyone, Right or wrong both groups are doing the same thing, thay both think that thay are right and everyone else is wrong. was WWI started over GOD? Wore the french trying 2 force the germans 2 believe in god? No. Nor in WWII, Nor korea, Nor viet nam, Nor the gulf. Satinisim Is a religon. Some police watch COPS religiously.
Sorry, still don't get you. If you don't belive in purple cows, would that be a religion too? (I am assuming you don't believe in purple cows. If you do, then you will not get my point. LOL)

Lordling's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:48 PM
Neither atheism nor agnosticism are religions, in even the most vague sense that, for example, Islam, is. At best, individuals who disbelieve could be leading lives based on some type of a normative philosophy, but that adoption would be, in no way, a requirement of disbelief. By all of the most popular definitions, a true religion requires the ritual belief in, and worship of, a deity or deities, or some other supernatural power.

Unless, of course, it's not your religion, then it's a cult. laugh

tiffanyraquel's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:49 PM
Let's all get together and have and old fashion Texas barbecue, drink wine, dance and laugh. God bless America for letting people practice their beliefs without persecution. The rest of ya.....get the hell out!drinker

ae1973's photo
Thu 04/24/08 05:52 PM

plain and simple....you can't control what she says or does unless you tie her up and gag her. you have the choice here. you can chose to live with it, contiue to tell her to stop or stopa all or partial contact with her. if she wants to force things on people...that's up to her to do. if you don't like it...it's up to you to chose what you want to do. you can only answer or change yourself
I think I tolerate her because she believes I am going to hell and doesn't want me to. So I guess it is out of love? I don't even think she is trying to be disrespectful, I think she is ignorant.

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