Sounds like Brzezinski was right on the money.

I'm glad you said it hun, I was thinking it. But it's nice to see an American who'll say it too.

American intervention has caused so much of the turmoil in the world, thats documented and easily proven. Of course, you're going to run into those who believe that no matter what, American politics are right, but they forget the first thing you have to realize when dealing with people: All Men are Fallible.

And yet, American intervention has caused so much stability in the world as well. It's been 50+ years since there has been a real serious war. Considering history, this has been a looong stretch of real relative peace (Cold War tensions aside). Looking back through past centuries, such a long time of no real full out war is quite impressive.

No full out war in who's opinion? The Iraqi's? How about that mess in Dafur or any other area where there was straight up genocide?


Mind you we haven't declared war, while waging it all over the place, but who gets to make that call?

Has there been huge multinational, bullets and bombs conflicts in the last 50 years?
Yep.

Show me the stability? We prop up one set of maniacs, then in a decade or so, we end up having to risk the lives of our Soldiers to clean up what we caused with our intervening.

Where is it that we intervened, fixed everything and were able to walk away, with this magical nation we meddled in becoming a great beacon of hope?

Korea? Nope, we still have soldiers there to "maintain" the peace, Vietnam? Last I checked there were still tons of problems there since we let the North annex Saigon, how about Bosnia? Kosovo? Israel? Lebanon? Afghanistan? nope, we had to go back in there after arming Bin Laden, Iraq? Nope, had to occupy their nation after arming and encouraging Hussein, then playing at stopping him in the 90's...

C'mon, "relative" peace? That's like saying John Wayne Gacy was sort of a serial killer. If bullets and bombs are flying, thats not peace.
About the only places you could point to are Germany and Japan... oh, but we still have military presences there too.
As a matter of fact, our intervention in some areas have destroyed any chance at peace and turned them into warzones, just look at what our international drug war policies have done to areas in Central/South America or what our propping up of Musharref did in Pakistan.

All this intervention and world police/Empire crap always ends badly, go ask Old Rome and King George about that.

War, I like you more and more.

I know for a FACT that Canada even has troups in Bosnia, Kosovo, Lebanon and Afganistan trying to keep the peace. If you can say that there isn't war in the world then I'd love them all to come home. I know we're just the Maid in most places, cleaning up the mess and making organized chaos but our military does fight and if they didn't need to be somewhere they wouldn't be.

Darfur and all the genocide going on there is absolutely disgusting. Does anybody recall Somalia and Uganda? All the genocide and crazy **** that went down there? What about Zimbabwe? Mugabe should be tried for war crimes for what he's done to that country.

So the US 'policing' the world isn't working like people would like to think. If they policed the areas that needed it, and not the ones rich in oil, then I would agree with you Starsailor... Sadly it's not the case.

I was obviously talking about World War between real world players. Not about these countries full of barbarians stuck in the 16th century or earlier. The world today is MUCH more stable than it was during any other century in history. Truth be seen in that the Cold War was prevented from turning into a real war. There is much more control and stability. There is just easier ways to kill people, thus higher body counts (though way overpopulation adds to that as well) and seemingly more chaos.

The world will always be chaotic, however it is far more stable than ever. Empires are not carving paths across the world and kingdoms/countries are not collapsing to be swept up by another or new leaders.

Old Rome ended badly because it expanded too far, with colonies it could not control, with armies so far and wide they could never return without months of downtime with travel. Rome fell due to leaders carving up the political structure of the state, which is not similiar to us. There are NO similarities between Rome and the US. Nor are there similarities with King George.

There's a huge similarity. Cost. You want to maintain 700+ bases on 5 continents, great, how you want to pay for that? Taxes or borrowed money? We're doing the latter right now and it's not even covering the entire cost of the empire.
Tell me that many bases is not an overreaching empirical system.

Thats funny, you'd call the world today much more stable, I'd call it much less.

With the way all the economics are globally wrapped up in one another, one huge crash could take down several nations all at once. The availability of long traveling weapons have made nations that we previously wouldn't have paid 5 minutes of attention to are now household names, because the right bomb in the right place and the world is at war again.

We've got so many protection pacts with other countries, that we've essentially become their global police, no matter what it is they are doing in the world.

What's your idea of a "Real" world power? Pakistan isn't that important on the world stage, but wait, they have nukes. North Korea? same thing, without the nuke, they'd just be a military dictatorship that abused its people, but with the bomb, they have the chance to influence world politics.
Meanwhile, we're picking on a nation that doesn't actually have one yet.
Why is it we're gonna continue negotiating with North Korea, who's supposed to be an Axis of Evil nation, but we're not going to stop the apartheid tactics of Israel? Our Government likes to pick and choose who to force their ethics on, thats why.

Empires aren't carving their way across the world? So Russia sending subs to claim antarctica and our huge and ineffective policy towards managing the middle east isn't indicative of empires trying to maintain and expand?

Our military has been used for so long to further the agenda's of the Globalists, but it can't last forever and it's not going to.

Pat Buchanan in his book "Day of Reckoning" says this: What America has lost between 1992 and 2008 calls to mind what Britian lost between her victory over France in 1763 and her defeat at Yorkstown in 1781. At the end of the 7 Years war, Britain ruled North America from the Atlantic to the Mississippi and from Spanish Florida to the Pole. Fifteen years later, 3 million colonial subjects had cut their ties to the Mother country, formed an alliance with the former enemy, France and effected the expulsion of British power from the 13 seaboard colonies that were the crown jewels of the Empire.
What happened in America between 1992 and 2008 is a tragedy of historic proportions. And, like the tragedies of literature, it came of a character flaw, a failure of vision that cost the country it's legacy from the Greatest Generation: the leadership of the world.
How did America lose the world?
Through an ignorance of history, an embrace of ideology, and an arrogance of power- Hubris. And George W. Bush came to personify all three. Great empires and small minds go ill together said Edmund Burke. Small minds, wedded to great egos, may have cost us the Second American Century.

"Great Britian has lost an empire and has not yet found a role," said Dean Acheson in 1962. Wounding, but true.
Half a century later, so may it be said of America.

uh huh. we dropped about 300 of em on ourselves during atmospheric testing..... and we are still here..... hmmm.

I am not sure where you get your information from, but the US is actually over 11 trillion dollars in debt and they owe Germany over 120 billion dollars. Germany has paid back all of its debts on the Marshall Plan many years ago.

I hope this helps.

I had the opportunity to read both Pat Buchanon's books and found them truthful in many accounts. It is sad though that as the American public complains about how our country is run, we as the people don't do anything about it but whine. Little do Americans know that it states in our Declaration of Independence that if our check and balances becomes corrupt we are then allowed to take back our government through force if have to be. It is a right we actually own. If you want to follow up on that you can if you like. It is a good read.

We have to remember our forefathers who ran the government came from a Monarchy where commoners didn't have the right to work for a government and didn't have freedoms. They fought hard to establish a Democracy to only see it destroyed. They also knew that the three branches of our government would all have to agree through votes to pass a law that works for the people. Little did our forefathers know that captilism would override our government with powerful corporations who use lobbyists to persway their ways against the people. If they knew they would have put in another law to prevent this.

In the long run if we want our country back we must take it back through force, but who will make the first move for we all know that the government would call that rebelling or terrorism for trying to take back our rights.

As long as the people of this country don't get proper education we will only be subjected to the corporations wills who care less of this country and allow low paying waged workers to take away our jobs. To allow our products to be made in foreign countries by underage slave labors. To allow us to believe we are living a grand life as in actuality we are being ripped off in food prices, minimum wage laws, gas prices, etc.

Perhaps the main question is will you let our government wage anymore wars against countries without UN approval. And if you believe that we have that right then you shouldn't complain how the economy is going for most of the world believes we shouldn't have.

This is excluding Afghanistan and mainly in reference to Iraq and Iran.

Rambill,
I have NBC warfare training from the military. I know all about predicting fallout from nuclear explosions, and how long a person can operate in that kind of area.

I know you are the resident nuclear expert here on jsh.
but

Most all the test done here in the US were done far from populations where nuclear fallout was carefully calculated to have very minimal effects on human populations. Either in the deserts of Nevada, or New Mexico. The tests were done with very little understanding as to the new technology, but with very strict safety concerns that were considered to avoid endangering civilian populations. When even these precautions were found to not be enough they began to do below ground testing.
They weren't done all at once, and they weren't done, as I said before, on the outskirts of large cities as will be the case in Iran. A fact that was designed by the Iranians when picking areas to place their sites.
Many of which are 650-1000 ft underground and would require a very large megaton explosion either on the ground or with a delayed effect to allow it to bury into the ground before explosion. Both of which will produce far greater fallout material than the above ground explosions way out in the deserts of Nevada or New Mexico.

Most of the test done in the deserts of Nevada were of the kiloton variety. Small in comparison to the multiple Megaton explosions predicted by the military required to take out Iranian facilities. The closest thing to those needed is the largest detonation by the US. It was an underestimated explosion with no idea of the size of the warhead.


The "Castle Bravo" shot of October 31, 1954, was the first test of a deployable (solid fuel) thermonuclear weapon, and also (accidentally) the largest weapon ever tested by the United States (15 megatons). It was also the single largest U.S. radiological accident in connection with nuclear testing. The unanticipated yield, and a change in the weather, resulted in nuclear fallout spreading eastward onto the inhabited Rongelap and Rongerik atolls, which were soon evacuated. Many of the Marshall Islands natives have since suffered from birth defects and have received some compensation from the federal government. A Japanese fishing boat, the Fifth Lucky Dragon, also came into contact with the fallout, which caused many of the crew to grow ill; one eventually died.


Once again this was only one bomb!!!

Thank you Fanta.

Here's a video called 'Atomic Cafe', which illustrates how ignorant the United States was at one time of the effects of nuclear fallout.

CAUTION: There are parts that are humorous, in a grim way, but also some that are graphic.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1126269724766604475

The part I found most interesting was, about 2/3 of the way through the film, it shows United States Army soldiers walking TOWARDS a mushroom cloud.

Lies about the safety of nuclear material continue to this day.

Careful boss, the way that the patriot acts, the john warner defense authorization act, and other draconian pieces of legislation work, you, by mentioning the fact that We the people have the right to retake our government, can be declared an enemy combatant.

You got to wonder why this Administration has put so much work into preparing for Martial Law and restricting the way the American citizen can seek to change the way Government works.

The government had planned this all along since the Vietnam War when they saw they can get away with crimes. Just remember the last stand the people made in this country was the nation wide protest against the Vietnam War. Of course then people somehow had a better education and understanding how the government worked. And probably they knew that the Declaration of Independence was working in their favor at the time.

These are your choices in my opinion:

1. In the long run people complain and whine today and nothing is being done. My suggestion is if it becomes unbearable to live in this country then there are over 20 countries in this world that have a better living standard then this one believe it or not. Countries that provide universal health care, free university that is equivalent to American Degrees, and much more humantarian services for the people in general.

2. If you are someone who believes this country is the best and what is going on is valid and righteous then stop whining is my suggestion and continue to live your life understanding that captilism is working in favor for those who want it all. You are part of the system and must live with it to survive its ups and downs with it.

If you are someone who believes the country is going on the wrong track and want to do something about it then there is only one way to tackle power, might, and money. I have mentioned it above of how it can be done. A nationwide protest is necessary. At least 25% if not more of the countries population needs to start getting their lazy asses of the couch and actually scream out what needs to be done and not continue to listen to promises that are never accomplished.

I personally am going for the first option and probably become a sheep herder in New Zealand(exxaggerated) away from political lies, corporation abuse, and the ongoing enduring whines of Americans who know what is going on but feel they are helpless or choose not doing anything about it.

This message isn't directed to you warmachine and I really appreciate what you display each day to read. It is educational and it is too bad that not many more people take the time to really study this government like you have.

I appreciate the endorsement of the message.

I think we would see that nation wide protest, if we reinstated the draft. This would solve 2 things right off the bat that I can think of, it would provide some relief for the men and women who've been stoplossed, putting more boots on the ground in the mess we've created in the Middle East, but the other thing is it would end it all much faster, because all of a sudden it becomes a very real risk to a helluva lot more families... if that doesn't wake them up, then we're all screwed anyway.

Make Iran and Iraq a parking lot and bring your boys home.

You mention:

Careful boss, the way that the patriot acts, the john warner defense authorization act, and other draconian pieces of legislation work, you, by mentioning the fact that We the people have the right to retake our government, can be declared an enemy combatant.

You got to wonder why this Administration has put so much work into preparing for Martial Law and restricting the way the American citizen can seek to change the way Government works.

my answer:

Sometimes a nation has to stand up against a government that wants to take control of the people in a unsavvy way. If we look at history our forefathers stood up against a imperialistic government and fortunately won. Great figures in history who were thrown in jail numerous times have stood up against a much more powerful government and still won the odds. If you can influence the majority of the people to do your biddings for the people then you will have a chance. A government will use violence if they don't get their way. It has been shown in history over and over again.

Where is the courage to stand up against something that is wrong? Where are the people who say enough is enough and we need to have our rights back?

In the long run I see that the government with corporations have figured out a way to keep us upset but not to the point where we will actually do anything about it.

What ashame I say.

Your draft suggestions may be appropiate but over half of the nation will disagree with it so it will probably never pass legislation.

Good answer, sir!

this line: "A government will use violence if they don't get their way. It has been shown in history over and over again."
Is not only historically accurate, but what I fear if things do not change.

However, you can't start with the government, if you can't get people to break with their conditioning and face facts for what they are, then We the People have already lost. Thats where I've chosen my battle ground, presenting the information on it's face and then doing my best to show why these activities are wrong/evil.

I think if we could even encourage the Congress to bring the Draft to a floor vote, that would be enough to freak people out... I would hope.